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Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

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  • #1052
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Has anyone seen this yet?

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/18/garda-confidential-2/

    Well worth reading in full.

    Very, very disturbing stuff.

    Sgt. McCabe was hitting his head against a brick wall.

    Hope all comes well for him, however long it takes.

    The collusion between the Commissioner and the Minister is appalling.

    We should all be giving our local TDs hell about this!


  • #1053
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    who_ru wrote: »
    Callinane is criminally corrupt, and allowed to remain in office by FG/LAB.

    The whole outfit seems like it was set up to be self-limiting. It's unreal.. the guy appointed by Shatter to deal with garda whistleblowers is very clearly implying that Shatter 'will come after' guys like McCabe. That's just a frightening revelation.

    Imo, it's even more sinister than the prospect of bugging. The contents of the transcript released today are all on tape. It's irrefutable that McCabe was warned about the implications he might face if he made what he knows public. He was essentially being persuaded not to 'blow the whistle' by the guy appointed by Shatter for the purpose of giving whistleblowers a place to raise issues.

    And people are expected to trust this man in setting up an inquiry into the GSOC? Ireland is turning into an episode of Twin Peaks.. it gets more bizarre every day.


  • #1054
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,784 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    who_ru wrote: »
    A 10 year old would be embarrassed to put their name to that story but not Paul Williams.

    Insomnia one of the anomalies? Mobile phones can create their own base stations? Unbelievable. Tom Clonan from the Irish times described journos like Williams as 'echo chambers for the establishment'.

    Clonan is even more tiresome than Mooney. Or Williams. It's strange how some people put so much faith in journalists and commentators that they probably never heard of two weeks ago when they come out with a mish mash of gobbledegook on subjects they know nothing about. And then decide that another hack is suspect when he publishes the opposite gobbledegook.

    Mooney has only one string to his bow since 2008, Kieran Boylan. Cloonan's only string is a treatise he wrote about bullying in the army in 2000. When he wasn't immediately put forward for the Nobel prize and his ramblings were mostly ignored he appointed himself as some sort of anti establishment human rights defender (in his own head). He hasn't got a clue what is going on but he likes to hear himself on the radio. A sort of a slightly more refined Mick Clifford.

    Why are people not interested in how the transcript of a report by a whistleblower to his Confidential Recipient came into the possession of a journalist? But then one of the parties to the conversation was speaking as if he expected the material to be leaked.


  • #1055
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Clonan is even more tiresome than Mooney. Or Williams. It's strange how some people put so much faith in journalists and commentators that they probably never heard of two weeks ago when they come out with a mish mash of gobbledegook on subjects they know nothing about. And then decide that another hack is suspect when he publishes the opposite gobbledegook.

    Mooney has only one string to his bow since 2008, Kieran Boylan. Cloonan's only string is a treatise he wrote about bullying in the army in 2000. When he wasn't immediately put forward for the Nobel prize and his ramblings were mostly ignored he appointed himself as some sort of anti establishment human rights defender (in his own head). He hasn't got a clue what is going on but he likes to hear himself on the radio. A sort of a slightly more refined Mick Clifford.

    Why are people not interested in how the transcript of a report by a whistleblower to his Confidential Recipient came into the possession of a journalist? But then one of the parties to the conversation was speaking as if he expected the material to be leaked.

    They're too busy reading Garda leaks about murders to be concerned about this.

    Funny how up in arms people like you are about certain leaks. But only certain leaks.

    Kinda mirrors the government position.

    What an interesting coincidence.


  • #1056
    strongback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭strongback


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Clonan is even more tiresome than Mooney. Or Williams. It's strange how some people put so much faith in journalists and commentators that they probably never heard of two weeks ago when they come out with a mish mash of gobbledegook on subjects they know nothing about. And then decide that another hack is suspect when he publishes the opposite gobbledegook.

    Mooney has only one string to his bow since 2008, Kieran Boylan. Cloonan's only string is a treatise he wrote about bullying in the army in 2000. When he wasn't immediately put forward for the Nobel prize and his ramblings were mostly ignored he appointed himself as some sort of anti establishment human rights defender (in his own head). He hasn't got a clue what is going on but he likes to hear himself on the radio. A sort of a slightly more refined Mick Clifford.

    Why are people not interested in how the transcript of a report by a whistleblower to his Confidential Recipient came into the possession of a journalist? But then one of the parties to the conversation was speaking as if he expected the material to be leaked.


    Sounds like a party political broadcast. Brendan McGahon would approve.


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  • #1057
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,593 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Clonan is even more tiresome than Mooney. Or Williams. It's strange how some people put so much faith in journalists and commentators that they probably never heard of two weeks ago when they come out with a mish mash of gobbledegook on subjects they know nothing about. And then decide that another hack is suspect when he publishes the opposite gobbledegook.

    Mooney has only one string to his bow since 2008, Kieran Boylan. Cloonan's only string is a treatise he wrote about bullying in the army in 2000. When he wasn't immediately put forward for the Nobel prize and his ramblings were mostly ignored he appointed himself as some sort of anti establishment human rights defender (in his own head). He hasn't got a clue what is going on but he likes to hear himself on the radio. A sort of a slightly more refined Mick Clifford.

    Why are people not interested in how the transcript of a report by a whistleblower to his Confidential Recipient came into the possession of a journalist? But then one of the parties to the conversation was speaking as if he expected the material to be leaked.

    Basically, just one more example of how one side perceives the other as playing fast and loose with the powers of the state invested in it, and getting a "statement of facts" put into the public domain, after having legal court action threatened to shut him up. If what is published by Broadsheet.ie as an honest statement of fact is correct throughout, it would seem to me that there is a clear case of inappropriate appointment to the position of Garda Confidentia Recipient, due to the reported financial/political link between the minister and the GCR.


  • #1058
    aloyisious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,593 ✭✭✭✭aloyisious


    Ah, prime time now, the presenter has just banged her hand on the desktop at the reply of the FG Rep.


  • #1059
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    more interestingly, Flanagan was wishy washy about shatter misleading the dail


  • #1060
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    aloyisious wrote: »
    Ah, prime time now, the presenter has just banged her hand on the desktop at the reply of the FG Rep.

    Who was the rep, and what were they asked?

    (In bed already) :mad:


  • #1061
    Filibuster
    Closed Accounts Posts: 361 ✭✭Filibuster


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Verrimus statement debunking the Indo's ridiculous attempts at killing the story this morning:
    https://twitter.com/verrimus/status/435721370631413760

    Jaysus, if their report reads like that statement (particularly point 2) the Gardaí have nothing to worry about.

    I wouldn't hire that firm to do anything more complicated then turn on my laptop.


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  • #1062
    Dyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    Filibuster wrote: »
    Jaysus, if their report reads like that statement (particularly point 2) the Gardaí have nothing to worry about.

    I wouldn't hire that firm to do anything more complicated then turn on my laptop.

    you can turn on your laptop yourself? you'll make detective son


  • #1063
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    This is a mirror image of the 73 coalition, if anyone can remember that time, or for the younger try and google it.


  • #1064
    strongback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭strongback


    Filibuster wrote: »
    Jaysus, if their report reads like that statement (particularly point 2) the Gardaí have nothing to worry about.

    I wouldn't hire that firm to do anything more complicated then turn on my laptop.


    What is wrong with Point 2?

    It is perfectly clear communication. I am in no doubt about what Point 2 means.

    Indicate what part of Point 2 you have issue with please?


  • #1065
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    Very, very disturbing stuff.

    Sgt. McCabe was hitting his head against a brick wall.

    Hope all comes well for him, however long it takes.

    The collusion between the Commissioner and the Minister is appalling.

    We should all be giving our local TDs hell about this!

    we should be giving each and every corrupt ****er hell over this and all the other corrupt stuff we've had to deal with, never forget what we've had to sacrifice to keep these guys/gals in their fantastic positions of devient power/influence and luxury, all at our expense!!


  • #1066
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    This is a mirror image of the 73 coalition, if anyone can remember that time, or for the younger try and google it.

    any chance you might give us a brief rundown or a link?? i'd love to know what you're on about


  • #1067
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    renegademaster wrote: »
    any chance you might give us a brief rundown or a link?? i'd love to know what you're on about

    Do you know how to Google ?. Education is a great thing even for the old.


  • #1068
    strongback
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭strongback


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    Do you know how to Google ?. Education is a great thing even for the old.


    Lovely.....


  • #1069
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    This is a mirror image of the 73 coalition, if anyone can remember that time, or for the younger try and google it.

    I'd have thought the direct comparison was Sean Doherty and phone tapping under CJH, a rather too cosey relationship between a Minister of Justice and senior Gardai, how is it a mirror image of the Cosgrave coalition?

    Maybe if somebody is of a Republican persuasion they might draw parallels, but just referencing a Government that held office for 4 years and just that, is rather vague.

    The whole thing for me points to a MOJ abnd senior Gardai in a "you scratch my back type scenario". Rank and file Gardai voiced their concern at Shatter last year with votes of no confidence in him as a Minister. The cynic in me thinks Shatter saw political collateral in thsi whole episode, rank and file Garda are no fans of GSOC so making a stand against them will go down well with the ordinary Guard and the higher ups, win win!

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #1070
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    K-9 wrote: »
    I'd have thought the direct comparison was Sean Doherty and phone tapping under CJH, a rather too cosey relationship between a Minister of Justice and senior Gardai, how is it a mirror image of the Cosgrave coalition?

    Maybe if somebody is of a Republican persuasion they might draw parallels, but just referencing a Government that held office for 4 years and just that, is rather vague.

    The whole thing for me points to a MOJ abnd senior Gardai in a "you scratch my back type scenario". Rank and file Gardai voiced their concern at Shatter last year with votes of no confidence in him as a Minister. The cynic in me thinks Shatter saw political collateral in thsi whole episode, rank and file Garda are no fans of GSOC so making a stand against them will go down well with the ordinary Guard and the higher ups, win win!

    I must disagree, Cooney's relationship was far worse than the ex special branch officer Sean Doherty in his clownish behavior.


  • #1071
    Caledonia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 152 ✭✭Caledonia


    Does point 2 in Verrimus statement just mean that the laptop/device was once connected to bitbuzz in Insomnia? Like the buildings are on top of each other, actually it's the same building. See nothing sinister in that.


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  • #1072
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    I must disagree, Cooney's relationship was far worse than the ex special branch officer Sean Doherty in his clownish behavior.

    I'm well aware of Doherty's behaviour, getting a lovely 2 foot wall built around his bungalow with acres of gardens, and it put down to the security budget, was clownish stuff. The "pint or a transfer" stuff.

    The high security wall wouldn't have stopped 6 year olds playing Cowboys and Indians, never mind the IRA/INLA!

    So what was wrong with Cooney?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #1073
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    K-9 wrote: »
    I'm well aware of Doherty's behaviour, getting a lovely 2 foot wall built around his bungalow with acres of gardens, and it put down to the security budget, was clownish stuff. The "pint or a transfer" stuff.

    The high security wall wouldn't have stopped 6 year olds playing Cowboys and Indians, never mind the IRA/INLA!

    So what was wrong with Cooney?

    Unleashing the Gardai to eventually destroy their reputation, through the activities of the heavy gang. How many convictions were overturned by their activities. Some of the so called heavy gang still maintain that Johann Hayes had twins.

    Ps. The members of the heavy gang actually **** on there own doorsteps in the Kerry babies investigation, the senior members all were born and rared within a thirty mile radius of the Hayes farm. Big wheel always turns, most times in the right direction.


  • #1074
    kerry4sam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,127 ✭✭✭✭kerry4sam


    My name is URL wrote: »
    Has anyone seen this yet?

    http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/18/garda-confidential-2/

    Well worth reading in full.

    Yeah that's what Micheal Martin was referring to in Dáil Éireann - linkie right here. Interesting watch!


  • #1075
    K-9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,305 ✭✭✭✭K-9


    Busted Flat. wrote: »
    Unleashing the Gardai to eventually destroy their reputation, through the activities of the heavy gang. How many convictions were overturned by their activities. Some of the so called heavy gang still maintain that Johann Hayes had twins.

    Yeah, the Hayes case was a travesty of justice, far to much deference to the Church and Gardai, then led to both in deference to each other.

    I thought Cooney was involved in the O'Dalaigh presidential resignation thing, seems not.

    So how many convictions were over turned, or are we just both going to keep asking the same question?

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • #1076
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Filibuster wrote: »
    Jaysus, if their report reads like that statement (particularly point 2) the Gardaí have nothing to worry about.

    I wouldn't hire that firm to do anything more complicated then turn on my laptop.

    Care to explain specifically which part of it doesn't live up to your standards?


  • #1077
    who_ru
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭who_ru


    Retired Supreme Court Judge Catherine McGuiness on Vincent Browne
    "why are they (govt/police) trying to shut this down so quickly?".

    Shatter only wants a review, no questions to be asked or witnesses called.

    Must report to him, who is of the publicly declared opinion it's a baseless innuendo, nothing happened, let's move on, no need for an inquiry anyway.

    The world's biggest whitewash is on the way.


  • #1078
    Busted Flat.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    K-9 wrote: »
    Yeah, the Hayes case was a travesty of justice, far to much deference to the Church and Gardai, then led to both in deference to each other.

    I thought Cooney was involved in the O'Dalaigh presidential resignation thing, seems not.

    So how many convictions were over turned, or are we just both going to keep asking the same question?

    Read your history, Donnegan was the clown that called the President a bollicks.

    Part of the gang of three, Conney, CCoB Donegan.


  • #1079
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    who_ru wrote: »
    Retired Supreme Court Judge Catherine McGuiness on Vincent Browne
    "why are they (govt/police) trying to shut this down so quickly?".

    Shatter only wants a review, no questions to be asked or witnesses called.

    Must report to him, who is of the publicly declared opinion it's a baseless innuendo, nothing happened, let's move on, no need for an inquiry anyway.

    The world's biggest whitewash is on the way.

    if the whole country stands idly by and does nothing about it

    why must we allow everything and think our only recourse is to vote the next shower in in april 2016??


  • #1080
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    K-9 wrote: »

    The whole thing for me points to a MOJ abnd senior Gardai in a "you scratch my back type scenario". Rank and file Gardai voiced their concern at Shatter last year with votes of no confidence in him as a Minister. The cynic in me thinks Shatter saw political collateral in thsi whole episode, rank and file Garda are no fans of GSOC so making a stand against them will go down well with the ordinary Guard and the higher ups, win win!

    Shatter is very unpopular among rank and file though, wouldn't matter what he did he probably wouldn't improve his confidence with them. Granted so is GSOC, but arguably, that's their job.


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  • #1081
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    porsche959 wrote: »
    Shatter is very unpopular among rank and file though, wouldn't matter what he did he probably wouldn't improve his confidence with them. Granted so is GSOC, but arguably, that's their job.

    doesn't matter, almost everything shatter and the commisioner do is for show to further agendas


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