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Do you still use XP? (multiple choice)

  • 18-02-2014 01:58PM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭


    Xp dies soon, I'm curious as to how many boards users still use it everyday

    Do you still use XP? 371 votes

    Yes, I use use it on my home computer(s)
    0% 0 votes
    Yes, I use it on my work computer(s)
    29% 111 votes
    Yes, but I'm/employer is intending to upgrade before April
    20% 76 votes
    No, I upgraded already to Windows Vista/7/8
    4% 16 votes
    No, I upgraded to another OS (Mac/Unix/iOS/Android etc.)
    45% 168 votes


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    Could a mod please edit the 3rd poll option to "Yes, but I'm/employer is intending to upgrade before April"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,891 ✭✭✭allthedoyles


    Is xp going to be dead and buried in April , or is it just that there will be no support / upgrades available ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    I work in IT, from what ive seen there are thousands of XP machines still out in the workplace and a lot of companies have no plans to upgrade \ replace. The budget just isnt there to replace every desktop \ laptop. Obviously we are advising all our customers to replace before April and some are but a lot simply dont have the capital.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    Is xp going to be dead and buried in April , or is it just that there will be no support / upgrades available ?

    Microsoft end their support, they will forget they ever made it and remove all their documentation and knowledge bases. Security experts have predicted that there are thousands of vulnerabilities being sat on ready to be released when support ends. It could be D-Day for malware and would be unwise for any business to continue to use it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,138 ✭✭✭TheMilkyPirate


    I still have it on my desktop at home, It's nearing the end of it's life anyway so will be time for a new machine by April.


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. G


    I know a lot of businesses and schools still on XP, many still on Office 2003 and Microsoft Works.

    I've moved away from XP when Windows 7 came out. It's understandable why they haven't moved away.


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 11,017 Mod ✭✭✭✭yoyo


    Could a mod please edit the 3rd poll option to "Yes, but I'm/employer is intending to upgrade before April"

    Poll Edited!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,849 ✭✭✭professore


    Was in Tullamore hospital last week with my mum. At least one consultant there still uses XP !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    They should have just stopped at xp. It works, and works well. Suppose I'll have to move on up to one go the new-fangled annoying ones now...

    The OH has W8 on her netbook. Bloody annoying. Her computer thinks its a phone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    yoyo wrote: »
    Poll Edited!

    Thanks, but you were supposed to replace option 3


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  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 4,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Mr. G


    endacl wrote: »
    They should have just stopped at xp. It works, and works well. Suppose I'll have to move on up to one go the new-fangled annoying ones now...

    The OH has W8 on her netbook. Bloody annoying. Her computer thinks its a phone.

    The only Windows operating system that is worth using now is Windows 7. W8 and Vista are not great, XP was a nice OS to be fair.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    Mr. G wrote: »
    The only Windows operating system that is worth using now is Windows 7. W8 and Vista are not great, XP was a nice OS to be fair.

    Windows 7 is the new XP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭practice


    Still use and will continue to use XP.
    Best system to come from microsoft.
    Will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to new system will only change if computer blows up sometime in April.

    People should remember the Millennium bug and the disaster that was supposed to happen as long as anti virus supports xp all will be ok.
    If I do change I may just go back to the Commodore 64


  • Moderators, Regional Midwest Moderators Posts: 11,329 Mod ✭✭✭✭MarkR


    I know quite a few places with tills running on windows 2000. :eek:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,564 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    endacl wrote: »
    They should have just stopped at xp. It works, and works well. Suppose I'll have to move on up to one go the new-fangled annoying ones now...

    The OH has W8 on her netbook. Bloody annoying. Her computer thinks its a phone.

    XP has a lot of problems. Windows 7 is a far better OS, the best one they've made.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    practice wrote: »
    Still use and will continue to use XP.
    Best system to come from microsoft.
    Will have to be dragged kicking and screaming to new system will only change if computer blows up sometime in April.

    People should remember the Millennium bug and the disaster that was supposed to happen as long as anti virus supports xp all will be ok.
    If I do change I may just go back to the Commodore 64

    Just because nothing happened the time of the millennium bug doesn't mean it wasn't an issue. Millions of hours were put in ensuring that it didn't cause problems and guess what, it worked, they prevented the problems

    An antivirus is only as good as it's definitions, the makers of antivirus software are advising people not to use Xp beyond the deadline


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,334 ✭✭✭bonzodog2


    An antivirus is only as good as it's definitions, the makers of antivirus software are advising people not to use Xp beyond the deadline

    The AV definitions will be updated after April though? I know thats not the only security issue with unpatched XP after then.


    Back on-topic, I use XP on several machines for Folding@Home. Runs nothing else, so I'm not too worried!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    bonzodog2 wrote: »
    The AV definitions will be updated after April though?

    Yes, but antivirus definitions are only for nasties and zero day exploits they know about, it can take some time before new malware and zero day exploits are recognised and added to definitions. It would be very foolish to think just because you have an antivirus getting updates that you are immune. Every security expert worldwide is advising to make the change.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 774 ✭✭✭maki


    Microsoft end their support, they will forget they ever made it and remove all their documentation and knowledge bases. Security experts have predicted that there are thousands of vulnerabilities being sat on ready to be released when support ends. It could be D-Day for malware and would be unwise for any business to continue to use it.

    This isn't true. Previously released updates will still be available for download (manually or via Windows Update) and the knowledge base will still be there.
    Microsoft have ended support of plenty of operating systems over the years and this won't be any different.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,525 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    professore wrote: »
    Was in Tullamore hospital last week with my mum. At least one consultant there still uses XP !
    yeah it's all over the public sector....imagine the cost of upgrading the whole place...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    maki wrote: »
    This isn't true. Previously released updates will still be available for download (manually or via Windows Update) and the knowledge base will still be there.
    Microsoft have ended support of plenty of operating systems over the years and this won't be any different.

    Exactly, i know plenty of companies who are running legacy software packages on Server 2000, simply because the software company that made it is gone out of business or dont support it anymore and it cant be transferred to another server and obviously they cant do a P2V on server 2000. Running fine with no issues apart from the odd HW failure here and there.

    XP has been out for 12 years now and there have been very few cumulative updates for it now over the last few years, i think there was only one update for it on the latest patch tuesday and that was related to IE, the last service pack for it was 5 years ago, its about as "stable" as an OS can get.

    Dont believe the hype that every xp machine will suddenly stop working and become a hackers dream on 8th of April, that wont happen. Think about it logically, why would a hacker spend time trying to hack an OS that's 12 years old, would it not make more logical sense to try and develop an exploitation for windows 8 seeing as though thats a newer OS with possibly undiscovered vulnerabilities and the majority of bluechip companies will be or have already migrated to Windows 8.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,083 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    allybhoy wrote: »
    XP has been out for 12 years now and there have been very few cumulative updates for it now over the last few years, i think there was only one update for it on the latest patch tuesday and that was related to IE, the last service pack for it was 5 years ago, its about as "stable" as an OS can get.
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-IE/security/dn481339 - Put in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3, and view the most recent updates. Just last week, there was a critical patch: "Vulnerability in VBScript Scripting Engine Could Allow Remote Code Execution (2928390)".

    And here's the real problem: If that patch was published in May, for just Vista and higher, a hacker knows that there is a strong possibility the vunerability exists, unpatched, in Windows XP. Updates now become a source of attack information for XP.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    allybhoy wrote: »
    Exactly, i know plenty of companies who are running legacy software packages on Server 2000, simply because the software company that made it is gone out of business or dont support it anymore and it cant be transferred to another server and obviously they cant do a P2V on server 2000. Running fine with no issues apart from the odd HW failure here and there.

    XP has been out for 12 years now and there have been very few cumulative updates for it now over the last few years, i think there was only one update for it on the latest patch tuesday and that was related to IE, the last service pack for it was 5 years ago, its about as "stable" as an OS can get.

    Dont believe the hype that every xp machine will suddenly stop working and become a hackers dream on 8th of April, that wont happen. Think about it logically, why would a hacker spend time trying to hack an OS that's 12 years old, would it not make more logical sense to try and develop an exploitation for windows 8 seeing as though thats a newer OS with possibly undiscovered vulnerabilities and the majority of bluechip companies will be or have already migrated to Windows 8.

    Because it's everywhere, banks, schools, offices, government buildings, even the white house is still using XP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭200motels


    I had it on an old PC but that died recently, XP was and still is an excellent O/S but it is a bit dated now and not as secure as Vista or 7, I have Vista, 7 and Linux Mint as a triple boot, and before anyone asks why Vista and 7 well I happen to like Vista for all it's faults and I had a retail key for it, but I still prefer Linux to Microsoft as it's way more secure and it's free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,750 ✭✭✭allybhoy


    28064212 wrote: »
    http://technet.microsoft.com/en-IE/security/dn481339 - Put in Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3, and view the most recent updates. Just last week, there was a critical patch: "Vulnerability in VBScript Scripting Engine Could Allow Remote Code Execution (2928390)".

    And here's the real problem: If that patch was published in May, for just Vista and higher, a hacker knows that there is a strong possibility the vunerability exists, unpatched, in Windows XP. Updates now become a source of attack information for XP.

    I get your point but i don’t entirely agree with it. You are talking about reverse engineering but Vista onwards uses a different architecture to XP, so a recognized vulnerability in Vista or 7\8 mightn't exist in XP. Also, Just because a patch is available on windows update, it doesn’t automatically mean that clients have installed that patch on release date. So your logic hackers could also reverse engineer the vulnerability for Vista\7\8 the minute they are identified and exploit machines that haven’t been patched. How many companies do you know run WSUS\SCCM to deploy updates as soon as they land. They don’t, a competent IT dept will install updates in test environments first to ensure stability before deploying. An incompetent IT dept mightn’t run WSUS or have automatic updates enabled on clients….how many companies in Ireland operate under this basis? From my experience quite a few.

    Look im not saying I dont recognise there is a higher risk with XP and there won’t be some exploitations but personally I don’t buy the notion that on April 9th every XP machine out there suddenly becomes a ticking time bomb. Like everything, with the correct systems administration I personally believe the risk is minimal, bad or non existent administration on a windows 8 environment is much riskier than a well maintained XP environment. Obviously we are advising our customers to remove this risk by replacing \ upgrading their XP clients and some are, but in the real world this simply isn’t an option for a lot companies who are struggling to pay their staff wages and keep the business running…as an IT provider we cant turn around and say because Microsoft wont support your OS, neither will we. If we did that we’d have to close our doors in the morning.
    Because it's everywhere, banks, schools, offices, government buildings, even the white house is still using XP
    I don’t support large public enterprise environments with unlimited IT budgets such as the White House, but if I did I would obviously be migrating away from XP. Im talking about the real world, small to mid level businesses. Microsoft will still be developing patches and support for XP after April 8th nd I would imagine that any enterprise environments that absolutely need XP will be paying for custom support.,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,083 ✭✭✭✭28064212


    allybhoy wrote: »
    I get your point but i don’t entirely agree with it. You are talking about reverse engineering but Vista onwards uses a different architecture to XP, so a recognized vulnerability in Vista or 7\8 mightn't exist in XP.
    They still share a huge code-base. Look at the link I posted, and check how many of the recent patches for XP are also applicable to Vista and up
    allybhoy wrote: »
    Also, Just because a patch is available on windows update, it doesn’t automatically mean that clients have installed that patch on release date. So your logic hackers could also reverse engineer the vulnerability for Vista\7\8 the minute they are identified and exploit machines that haven’t been patched
    Yes, this is a known problem. And it happens regularly. However, there is always a gap between discovery and reverse engineering, and identification of vunerable machines. The risk becomes exponentially higher the longer the machine is unpatched
    allybhoy wrote: »
    Like everything, with the correct systems administration I personally believe the risk is minimal
    The problem being that systems with bad administration are exactly the type of systems that are likely to still be running XP.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    Mr. G wrote: »
    The only Windows operating system that is worth using now is Windows 7. W8 and Vista are not great, XP was a nice OS to be fair.

    I've worked in Enterprise environments and have experienced upgrades from xp to Win8.

    Vista was a fine OS. It just needed ram which at the time manufacturers and companies were happy to still ship/buy the usual 512mbs and then complain about it afterwards, when 2 gig should have been the bare minimum. Drivers became a issue, mainly because most peripherals makers decided to try cash in and refuse to release drivers for relatively new equipment. I haven't seen them try that recently with either Win7 or 8.

    Windows 8 is a fine OS, with many back end improvements in performance again. They made a mistake trying to change the basic UI layout when it doesn't suit non-touch devices and have since backtracked.

    I can tell you now, for the all the headaches we had with legacy applications, the people still on XP have made it so much harder for themselves through ignorance and laziness.

    My last company found it difficult to move from XP to Vista, Vista to Win7 was a breeze and Win 7 to Win8 has proven to be effortless. Thats not because of the differences between the OS's but actually due to the fact that the company is used to changing every few years. Applications have to have active maintenance contracts, staff have to have a machine replacement every 2.5-3 years and legacy apps with no support get left in the dust and replaced if necessary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,887 ✭✭✭GTE


    I selected the work option. I only upgraded from it as the software I use stopped working on it. I'd still be using it now however, having gotten 8 and then 8.1 I would be more than happy to upgrade.

    All windows 8 needs is the Classic Shell start menu and the idiots to moan about the personality split of windows 8 can become happy.

    To be fair, Windows 7 is at least as good as XP and 8 is a better then the lot. Very happy. Vista though, rubbish.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,623 ✭✭✭200motels


    bbk wrote: »
    I selected the work option. I only upgraded from it as the software I use stopped working on it. I'd still be using it now however, having gotten 8 and then 8.1 I would be more than happy to upgrade.

    All windows 8 needs is the Classic Shell start menu and the idiots to moan about the personality split of windows 8 can become happy.

    To be fair, Windows 7 is at least as good as XP and 8 is a better then the lot. Very happy. Vista though, rubbish.
    Don't forget you wouldn't have 7 and 8 without Vista. Vista is not rubbish, with at least 2gb of ram and a good processor Vista runs extremely well in fact it runs as well as 7 on my PC but Linux Mint beats the two of them hands down.


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