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  • #152
    o1s1n
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,486 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    Indeed. The SLG3000 is more of a device for adding scanlines to your consoles rather than sticking into a MAMEed PC.

    If HLSL is causing issues, you should still be able to do standard scanlines in MAME without too much GPU use.


  • #153
    MrVestek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    I'd ponder purchasing an SLG 3000 though so that I had uniform scanlines across all emulators.

    That's just me being fussy though!


  • #154
    Steve X2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    MrVestek wrote: »
    I'd ponder purchasing an SLG 3000 though so that I had uniform scanlines across all emulators.

    That's just me being fussy though!

    You can easily have both. You can put a switch on the SLG to enable/disable the scanlines(you can buy it with and without the switch installed). Might be a nice option to have on a bartop.


  • #155
    MrVestek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Fundage is tight at the minute so I doubt I'll be shelling out for one for now.

    I still think somebody should make a scanlines driver for Windows. :-)


  • #156
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Steve SI wrote: »
    I've seen a nice 4:3 LCD running mame with HLSL and I've seen the same setup with the SLG. Hands down the HLSL looked better because of th CRT emulation and scan lines.

    Really? From what I can see it is damn impressive (HLSL). I love the raybanding & the pincushion effect!
    MrVestek wrote: »
    I'd ponder purchasing an SLG 3000 though so that I had uniform scanlines across all emulators.

    That's just me being fussy though!

    I was initially thinking that too, why not buy an SLG3000 that will do for everything on the bartop, rather than just a new GFX card that will only benefit Mame/HLSL.

    I'm leaning the other way now though, HLSL just looks too good to pass up. And considering Mame will be 90% of what the bartop will be used for, I think I'd prefer HLSL.

    Like yourself, funds are a problem so I'll battle on & come back to this in a few weeks I think.


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  • #157
    Steve X2
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    Myrddin wrote: »
    Really? From what I can see it is damn impressive (HLSL). I love the raybanding & the pincushion effect!


    Yeah, and the fact you can change every little thing to be the way you want. I have 2 HLSL profiles, the nice one that looks great(still a work in progress), and a really messy one to emulate a really old and used 80's arcade screen.


  • #158
    The Last Bandit
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    All this bartop talk has me hankering to build another, can't decide between a vertical 60-in-1 or a horizontal mame jobbie.


  • #159
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    The Last Bandit wrote: »
    All this bartop talk has me hankering to build another, can't decide between a vertical 60-in-1 or a horizontal mame jobbie.

    Steve SI it :)


  • #160
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    I wonder if something like this would suffice? - http://www.amazon.co.uk/GeForce-Graphics-Express-DirectX-Dust-proof/dp/B008BEYO4U/ref=sr_1_101?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1392402558&sr=1-101


  • #161
    Steve X2
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    Myrddin wrote: »
    I wonder if something like this would suffice? - http://www.amazon.co.uk/GeForce-Graphics-Express-DirectX-Dust-proof/dp/B008BEYO4U/ref=sr_1_101?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1392402558&sr=1-101

    Hmm, you might end up spending the cash and being no better off.
    I'd say a AMD Radeon HD 7850 would do the job really well and its considered a pretty decent budget card. But still costs a decent amount more than that one you linked to :(


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  • #162
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Steve SI wrote: »
    Hmm, you might end up spending the cash and being no better off.
    I'd say a AMD Radeon HD 7850 would do the job really well and its considered a pretty decent budget card. But still costs a decent amount more than that one you linked to :(

    Yeah not a hope I'm dropping that kinda money on a card to basically sit there & do nothing but generate scanlines :( Maybe something 2nd hand might be a possibility...though I'm not a fan of buying used gpu's


  • #163
    Steve X2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    Myrddin wrote: »
    Yeah not a hope I'm dropping that kinda money on a card to basically sit there & do nothing but generate scanlines :( Maybe something 2nd hand might be a possibility...though I'm not a fan of buying used gpu's

    AMD 6670 based cards are also very good. And about half the price or less of that one.
    I use a special low profile one in my candy at the moment and it runs everything great (as in non mame stuff). But I don't use HLSL on it as its already on an arcade screen, so i can comment on how good it is at that.

    Great little card though I must say.


  • #164
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Steve SI wrote: »
    AMD 6670 based cards are also very good. And about half the price or less of that one.
    I use a special low profile one in my candy at the moment and it runs everything great (as in non mame stuff). But I don't use HLSL on it as its already on an arcade screen, so i can comment on how good it is at that.

    Great little card though I must say.

    Interesting, cheers. Looking at something like this now - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radeon-Graphics-PCI-Express-GDDR5-Dust-proof/dp/B004XANO24/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1392465905&sr=1-1&keywords=hd+6670

    The price point is a bit more palatable alright. The only thing is I don't know how HLSL taxes a gpu, is it better to have more of the slower gddr3 ram (2GB gddr3 cards), or less of the faster gddr5 ram (1GB gddr5 cards). For gaming I think I'd prefer the 1GB gddr5 cards, but for HLSL...I'm a bit baffled what'd be better.


  • #165
    Steve X2
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    Myrddin wrote: »
    Interesting, cheers. Looking at something like this now - http://www.amazon.co.uk/Radeon-Graphics-PCI-Express-GDDR5-Dust-proof/dp/B004XANO24/ref=sr_1_1?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1392465905&sr=1-1&keywords=hd+6670

    The price point is a bit more palatable alright. The only thing is I don't know how HLSL taxes a gpu, is it better to have more of the slower gddr3 ram (2GB gddr3 cards), or less of the faster gddr5 ram (1GB gddr5 cards). For gaming I think I'd prefer the 1GB gddr5 cards, but for HLSL...I'm a bit baffled what'd be better.

    Sure hang on for a day or so. I've more or less the same card in my candy. I'll hook it up to an LCD and run my HLSL MAME on it and see how it goes.


  • #166
    Myrddin
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    Steve SI wrote: »
    Sure hang on for a day or so. I've more or less the same card in my candy. I'll hook it up to an LCD and run my HLSL MAME on it and see how it goes.

    Sweet, much appreciated Steve :)


  • #167
    MrVestek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    The settings work perfectly on my card anyway. Gonna record some footage of it later to show you what it's like.

    *edit*

    There's a guy selling a second hand version of the card that I have on adverts:
    http://www.adverts.ie/other-computers/msi-rx3870-t2d512e-oc-radeon-hd-3870-512mb-256-bit-gddr4-pci-express-2-0-x16-hdcp-ready-crossfirex-support/4663272

    With this you'll have the added benefit of it being powerful enough to run the likes of Super Street Fighter IV etc.


  • #168
    MrVestek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Here you go:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeetIIVA3Ys


    Best to watch in 1080p so that you can see the difference.

    You can't really see the emulated CRT brightness in the video but you can see the blur and the scanlines. They really look the part, good job Steve_SI.


  • #169
    Steve X2
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    Myrddin wrote: »
    Sweet, much appreciated Steve :)

    Haven't tested on an LCD yet, but I ran my MAME with HLSL on that card tonight on the candy (but just using the arcade screen@640x480). Wow does HLSL look really crap on a CRT :)

    Anyway, 60fps solid on loads of different games and when I unlocked the fps limiter it ran at about 600-1000fps
    Will test it on an LCD tomorrow if I've time at a higher resolution and post results here.

    This is the box for the card I've got in the candy by the way.
    8aba.jpg



    Edit:
    Two quick direct captures of the normal HLSL settings and my HLSL settings. Few frames dropped on one of the vids because of stupid fraps.
    You should be able to see the difference a bit better in these vids than the previous pics.

    The good sharp settings:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVYbXzCueJ8



    The peasant blurry settings:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GViFl8xOaMI




    Source 60fps files not raped by youtube compression and limits:
    https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8aWLXavqJuIbXBMNENkQkxtaUE&usp=sharing


  • #170
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    That's great guys, many thanks, it takes a lot of the doubt from making a purchase. Mr Vestek, does that card you have need an additional power connection to the psu?


  • #171
    MrVestek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,280 ✭✭✭MrVestek


    Myrddin wrote: »
    That's great guys, many thanks, it takes a lot of the doubt from making a purchase. Mr Vestek, does that card you have need an additional power connection to the psu?

    Yes.


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  • #172
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    MrVestek wrote: »
    Yes.

    Ugh, it gets better. New psu needed now too :rolleyes: It's grand, at least I know what I need now & I can get them in a few weeks. Gonna focus now on getting the other emu's up & running, then get plexi & a bezel from urbanledge. Thanks for the vids dudes, much appreciated

    Final question re HLSL, does it work for vertical games? Can each game have its own ini, so that no fiddling with settings is needed once all is complete?


  • #173
    Star Lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    I've got a graphics card that was in use in my own system for a couple of years (but is absolutely problem free) that might help, have dropped you a PM.

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_r5770_hawk_review,1.html

    Mods, don't worry, not trying to sell things!


  • #174
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    DamoElDiablo wrote: »
    I've got a graphics card that was in use in my own system for a couple of years (but is absolutely problem free) that might help, have dropped you a PM.

    http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/msi_r5770_hawk_review,1.html

    Mods, don't worry, not trying to sell things!

    The awesomeness of DamoElDiablo, literally, knows no bounds


  • #175
    Star Lord
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


    It knows plenty of bounds, trust me! :D


  • #176
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    And I wasn't planning on bothering with many console roms...I'll be testing & renaming for days by the looks of things...


  • #177
    Steve X2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    Myrddin wrote: »
    And I wasn't planning on bothering with many console roms...I'll be testing & renaming for days by the looks of things...

    Why all the renaming? You're not doing it manually are you :eek::eek:


  • #178
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Steve SI wrote: »
    Why all the renaming? You're not doing it manually are you :eek::eek:

    I had it in my head I would, as I'd only be bothering with a handful of console games. But things have gotten, em, slightly out of hand. I'll need to look at something to automate the process, clrmamepro maybe?


  • #179
    Steve X2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,912 ✭✭✭Steve X2


    Myrddin wrote: »
    I had it in my head I would, as I'd only be bothering with a handful of console games. But things have gotten, em, slightly out of hand. I'll need to look at something to automate the process, clrmamepro maybe?

    I'm a lazy fecker, I don't rename any more. I just re-download :)


  • #180
    Myrddin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 33,733 ✭✭✭✭Myrddin


    Steve SI wrote: »
    I'm a lazy fecker, I don't rename any more. I just re-download :)

    You're prob picking & choosing from a goodset/tosec are you? Some of the sites out there have some non standard naming mechanisms, which I think will cause issues for me.


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  • #181
    Steve X2
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    Myrddin wrote: »
    You're prob picking & choosing from a goodset/tosec are you? Some of the sites out there have some non standard naming mechanisms, which I think will cause issues for me.

    I've loads of full sets etc and like to keep them updated(as in re-download as they get updated).
    But I downloaded the hyperspin sets for all the consoles, updated them as versions come out(the 1.2 xml ones). No need to rename anything, hyperspin xml, hyperpsin formatted roms, drop and mostly go :)

    And of course, I own the physical version of every game etc etc.....


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