Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Johnny_Fontane · 14-02-2014 12:24PM

a little OT, but Peter Aiken doesn't know that Costa Rica is a country? Really?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/70-000-tickets-for-garth-brooks-concerts-bought-overseas-1.1691687

14-02-2014 12:39PM

ronjo wrote: »

I assume you are referring to her comment about putting Ireland on a big stage.

What benefits do you genuinely think that will bring?

Do you think more tourists will come here because they see him singing??

Well there is 70k tickets sold abroad so that's 70k extra people visiting the country this year. It wouldn't be crazy to suggest that each of them would spend around 500 euro on average in Ireland so that 35 million euro being pumped into the economy from abroad.

Then take into account the other 330k people, who even if they only spend 100 euro each would pump 33 million into the economy, in particular the Dublin economy (and I would say that's a very low estimate). These are massively significant figure.

That's the guts of 70 million euro in spending for 5 days and again I reckon that's a low estimate, 100 million in spending would not surprise me at all. That's an astronomical boost to both the Irish and Dublin economy. How can someone in their right mind cancel concerts when there such vast amounts of money involved.

ronjo · 14-02-2014 12:47PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Well there is 70k tickets sold abroad so that's 70k extra people visiting the country this year. It wouldn't be crazy to suggest that each of them would spend around 500 euro on average in Ireland so that 35 million euro being pumped into the economy from abroad.

Then take into account the other 330k people, who even if they only spend 100 euro each would pump 33 million into the economy, in particular the Dublin economy (and I would say that's a very low estimate). These are massively significant figure.

That's the guts of 70 million euro in spending for 5 days and again I reckon that's a low estimate, 100 million in spending would not surprise me at all. That's an astronomical boost to both the Irish and Dublin economy. How can someone in their right mind cancel concerts when there such vast amounts of money involved.

I am not sure you understood my question.

This was the quote "Here he is trying to put Ireland on the world stage."

I am not talking about financial benefits. Why would a fella from Athenry spending a few bob in Dublin put Ireland on the big stage???

The tourists coming from abroad is a valid point however.

thelad95 · 14-02-2014 12:56PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Well there is 70k tickets sold abroad so that's 70k extra people visiting the country this year. It wouldn't be crazy to suggest that each of them would spend around 500 euro on average in Ireland so that 35 million euro being pumped into the economy from abroad.

Then take into account the other 330k people, who even if they only spend 100 euro each would pump 33 million into the economy, in particular the Dublin economy (and I would say that's a very low estimate). These are massively significant figure.

That's the guts of 70 million euro in spending for 5 days and again I reckon that's a low estimate. That's an astronomical boost to both the Irish and Dublin economy. How can someone in their right mind cancel concerts when there such vast amounts of money involved.

Oh come on! Those figures are pittance on a macro level. If these concerts were in leitrim or longford, then this would be a massive boost for the local economy but Dublin hotels and businesses make enough from the GAA matches as it is and when you add 70000 to the amount of overseas visitors coming to Dublin anyway, it isn't an astronomical increase.
These residents don't give two f*cks about the local economy. Their issue is that concert organisers have blatntly gone over their heads without consulting them. While I believe there may be an element of gob****ery about them complaining about events in Croke Park considering they bought houses there, I do have some sympathy for them. I mean Garth Brooks and One Direction? The stuff of nightmares.

14-02-2014 01:01PM

ronjo wrote: »

I am not sure you understood my question.

This was the quote "Here he is trying to put Ireland on the world stage."

I am not talking about financial benefits. Why would a fella from Athenry spending a few bob in Dublin put Ireland on the big stage???

The tourists coming from abroad is a valid point however.

The fact he is such a massive name in the music industry, especially in the US will mean there is a lot of attention on the concerts. Especially as this is a come back special, there will be massive interest from fans all over the world.

So it will certainly raise the profile of Ireland around the world. The fact he has chosen Ireland for his comeback might make people think "Maybe its worth visiting Ireland as it must have something about it" etc etc and therefore increase tourists visiting in coming years.

It's obviously not guaranteed but an event like this that will get world wide attention certainly won't hurt.

ronjo · 14-02-2014 01:04PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

The fact he is such a massive name in the music industry, especially in the US will mean there is a lot of attention on the concerts. Especially as this is a come back special, there will be massive interest from fans all over the world.

So it will certainly raise the profile of Ireland around the world. The fact he has chosen Ireland for his comeback might make people think "Maybe its worth visiting Ireland as it must have something about it" etc etc and therefore increase tourists visiting in coming years.

It's obviously not guaranteed but an event like this that will get world wide attention certainly won't hurt.

Ok thanks...... this is what I was looking for.
I guess from that point of view having 3 concerts instead of 5 will make no difference.

end of the road · 14-02-2014 01:04PM

thelad95 wrote: »

These residents don't give two f*cks about the local economy.

exactly, they would though if they were getting something out of it all though a boost to the local economy is a good thing for them.

thelad95 wrote: »

I believe there may be an element of gob****ery about them complaining about events in Croke Park considering they bought houses there

i'd say definitely

14-02-2014 01:05PM

ronjo wrote: »

Ok thanks...... this is what I was looking for.
I guess from that point of view having 3 concerts instead of 5 will make no difference.

In fairness, no it wouldn't.

Smidge · 14-02-2014 01:16PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Well there is 70k tickets sold abroad so that's 70k extra people visiting the country this year. It wouldn't be crazy to suggest that each of them would spend around 500 euro on average in Ireland so that 35 million euro being pumped into the economy from abroad.

Then take into account the other 330k people, who even if they only spend 100 euro each would pump 33 million into the economy, in particular the Dublin economy (and I would say that's a very low estimate). These are massively significant figure.

That's the guts of 70 million euro in spending for 5 days and again I reckon that's a low estimate, 100 million in spending would not surprise me at all. That's an astronomical boost to both the Irish and Dublin economy. How can someone in their right mind cancel concerts when there such vast amounts of money involved.

You do realise that considering that these tickets were bought by people from abroad means they were bought online?

That also means that those 70k tickets sold abroad does NOT mean that 70k people from abroad will be travelling to the gig.

You have heard of re-sale of tickets online for a profit, I take it? :rolleyes:

14-02-2014 01:22PM

Smidge wrote: »

You do realise that considering that these tickets were bought by people from abroad means they were bought online?

That also means that those 70k tickets sold abroad does NOT mean that 70k people from abroad will be travelling to the gig.

You have heard of re-sale of tickets online for a profit, I take it? :rolleyes:

A high percentage of that number will travel here for the concert. A lot are probably Irish people but that makes no difference. If they are earning money abroad then they are pumping money into the economy.

Only a tiny percentage of them tickets would be bought for resale.

You have absolutely nothing to back up your claims or to disprove what I have said.

Smidge · 14-02-2014 01:27PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

A high percentage of that number will travel here for the concert. A lot are probably Irish people but that makes no difference. If they are earning money abroad then they are pumping money into the economy.

Only a tiny percentage of them tickets would be bought for resale.

You have absolutely nothing to back up your claims or to disprove what I have said.

Likewise, where's your proof that these people WILL travel to the concert?
It looks like its you nox who have nothing to back up your claim.

It could be that the people abroad saw the furore that was caused here by mental GB fans running amok looking for tickets in a mass hysteria and decided "Here's a nice little earner, sell these tickets on for a well infalted price"
I mean, there are GB tickets for resale atm for a €1000 each right?

14-02-2014 01:38PM

Smidge wrote: »

Likewise, where's your proof that these people WILL travel to the concert?
It looks like its you nox who have nothing to back up your claim.

It could be that the people abroad saw the furore that was caused here by mental GB fans running amok looking for tickets in a mass hysteria and decided "Here's a nice little earner, sell these tickets on for a well infalted price"
I mean, there are GB tickets for resale atm for a €1000 each right?

The fact they were sold abroad is proof enough for me to say 70k people will travel here for the concert. Its certainly a lot more proof than you have.

The ticket prices have dropped quite a lot since the extra dates were added and while a lot of tickets were bought for resale over all most would have been bought by people here to resell.

Overheal · 14-02-2014 01:39PM

Smidge wrote: »

You do realise that considering that these tickets were bought by people from abroad means they were bought online?

That also means that those 70k tickets sold abroad does NOT mean that 70k people from abroad will be travelling to the gig.

You have heard of re-sale of tickets online for a profit, I take it? :rolleyes:

Dublin already gets thousands of tourists during the summer. Plenty of those sales could have been from people who already have arrangements to visit the country this July.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 14-02-2014 01:43PM

ronjo wrote: »

Do you think more tourists will come here because they see him singing??

yes, a lot of his American fans will come over, as its his return gigs.

ronjo · 14-02-2014 01:44PM

Overheal wrote: »

Dublin already gets thousands of tourists during the summer. Plenty of those sales could have been from people who already have arrangements to visit the country this July.

An perhaps they will spend less now in the local economy because they are giving their hard earned cash to Mr Brooks !

Smidge · 14-02-2014 01:44PM

Overheal wrote: »

Dublin already gets thousands of tourists during the summer. Plenty of those sales could have been from people who already have arrangements to visit the country this July.

Absolutely, but as you say plenty of those may have already planned to visit Dublin anyway, so not travelling to Dublin for the sole purpose of seeing GB.

But I find it bizarre that nox thinks that EVERY single one of those online ticket purchases from abroad directly correlates to a person travelling to see GB on that very ticket purchased.

wedger · 14-02-2014 01:46PM

end of the road wrote: »

why would they care when they can try to hold the country to ransom and decide when the people can and can't use a venue thats for the people of the country? even if the concerts move the residents will have failed to stop them like they wanted to, they will just be shooting themselves in the foot by stopping local businesses from making money from the tourism and other visitors these concerts will bring

Hold the country to ransom? It's only a music concert x 5. We not the f##king troika... Get a grip u loser...!!! Ur so taken in by this hype you honestly think it's important.
Maybe you'll have a break down if the gigs are cancelled or something but as you keep saying to us residents SUCK IT UP AND GET OVER IT!!!

John_Rambo · 14-02-2014 01:49PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

If they are earning money abroad then they are pumping money into the economy

I'd say you're right if it was in Leitrim or Mullingar, but it won't really make a difference in Dublin. To be honest, it's more of a disruption to the every day hard work carried out in the city that keeps the country going.

ronjo · 14-02-2014 01:50PM

Franklin Bumpy Hawk wrote: »

yes, a lot of his American fans will come over, as its his return gigs.

Well thats some good news out of all this mess.

wedger · 14-02-2014 01:53PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

This magical, mythical deal that no-one is privy to. Surely if the residents wanted to ramp up the pressure they would get one of the national papers to print out the full details of the deal?? Unless a written record doesn't exist? If so, its not worth the paper its written on. :D

I've also heard it on the news on Today FM and FM104, but never as the "top story" as claimed. Its a sensationalist story so obviously local stations are going to run with it. But the storms etc are being reported ahead of it. It'll be forgotten about by Monday.

Can't wait til the 28th July!!!!! :D:D:D:D

Weldy old chap... Why would we put it out there it's our trump card... Save it for the court room where it will have most impact... As for seeing the contract I have it right here in front if me... And our solicitor has it and so do a few others.

Now of it dosent exist why haven't Croke Park challenged us to produce it??? I'll tell you why little boy it's because they are sh1tless that it gets public cos then they are Fcuk'ed...!!! Bye bye Brooksy!!!

RiverOfLove · 14-02-2014 01:57PM

All this has made some american forums that I am on.

People are disgusted from both ends of the stick:
(1)At residents stopping the gigs with one person asking what are the residents expecting from the concerts? Riot behaviour?
(2) At Aikan for selling tickets without licenses

bumper234 · 14-02-2014 01:59PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

The fact they were sold abroad is proof enough for me to say 70k people will travel here for the concert. Its certainly a lot more proof than you have.

The ticket prices have dropped quite a lot since the extra dates were added and while a lot of tickets were bought for resale over all most would have been bought by people here to resell.

Who said that 70,000 tickets have been sold abroad?

Oh right Aitken

Not like he has anything to lose by lying right :rolleyes:

14-02-2014 02:01PM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I'd say you're right if it was in Leitrim or Mullingar, but it won't really make a difference in Dublin. To be honest, it's more of a disruption to the every day hard work carried out in the city that keeps the country going.

Approximately 100 million euro extra in 5 days is not significant? When did Dublin turn into Abu Dhabi?

Chorcai · 14-02-2014 02:04PM

Can someone explain the fascination with this guy? AFAIK he is famous for one song, right ?

Smidge · 14-02-2014 02:07PM

Chorcai wrote: »

Can someone explain the fascination with this guy? AFAIK he is famous for one song, right ?

Aw please don't ask them to start listing his "features".........I've just had my lunch

John_Rambo · 14-02-2014 02:07PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Approximately 100 million euro

Where did you get that figure?

ronjo · 14-02-2014 02:09PM

Chorcai wrote: »

Can someone explain the fascination with this guy? AFAIK he is famous for one song, right ?

Its not about him anymore.... Its about sticking in to the fecking Dubs.
Wanting peace and quiet. They can go an sh*te!

wedger · 14-02-2014 02:10PM

Here's the way I see it. River of love, end of the road, Weldinihio and all ye don't give one Fcuk about what me, my family and my neighbours have to put up with for upto 10 days and nights and all the other days and nights besides when there is an event on.

Well My opinion is I don't give a Fcuk about ye or about the 400,000 others not getting to see Garthy Buck$. Mores to the point Garth don't give one fcuk for ye either only for your $$$$$ that he's going to tear out of this country... Don't forget them when ye are on about good for the economy... He's heading off with 30 odd million from this (maybe).

Well I'll do all in my power to ensure that the sh1tbag don't get to wail his misery from the terraces of good old hill 16. But sure not to worry folks ye still have his 8 track to listen to in ur tractors while ye drive the kids around!!!!

dub_skav · 14-02-2014 02:13PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

A high percentage of that number will travel here for the concert. A lot are probably Irish people but that makes no difference. If they are earning money abroad then they are pumping money into the economy.

Only a tiny percentage of them tickets would be bought for resale.

You have absolutely nothing to back up your claims or to disprove what I have said.

I'd say you could be right and a lot are emigrants, or perhaps people who just happened to be out of the country when the tickets went on sale.
But, those 2 groups will not be "pumping money into the economy" as they are probably staying with family / friends.

Also, how many of the 70k are for the first 3 nights, the majority I'd imagine, because who would fly in for a Monday / Tuesday event?

Psychobabble · 14-02-2014 02:14PM

Another point of fact that seems to have been lost in all the bluster and antagonism here is that Dublin City Councillors do not have a vote on these proposed licences. It will actually be an executive decision, made by unelected bureaucrats within Dublin City Council (much like the disastrous decision to privatise the bin collections, but let's not open that can of worms!)
Also worth repeating every couple of pages here, for the benefit of those taking cheap hits at residents without bothering to inform themselves of the facts, is that locals shouldn't have too 'suck it up' because they happened to have bought their home adjacent to a major sporting stadium. The grant of permission for the redevelopment of Croke Park, only allowed for three concerts per year, not an additional five. Those additional five must go through due process and residents, in fact anyone else in the country if they feel that this is grossly unfair, are entitled to lodge a third party observation objecting to these concerts. It's totally undemocratic for posters here to tell people to 'put up and shut up' and not exercise their rights as citizens.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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