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Robocop (Reboot)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭Rubber_Soul


    Most of the negative reviews I've seen for this seem to be focusing their ire on the fact that they haven't simply updated the original. I imagine the same critics would be still be bashing the film as a pointless remake if they had actually stuck slavishly to the themes of the original and essentially remade it with shinier graphics. They should really be focusing their criticism at how overwhelmingly bland the film is.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,012 ✭✭✭✭Alfred Borden


    i havent seen the original (disgrace I know) but thought initially from the start this was decent but by the end it was absolutely awful, hope this is the worst film i pay money to see this year.


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭ZomB13 F1Sh


    As a lifelong fan of the original, I thought it was a very worthy remake the only way it could be better is with an R rating. Extremely happy with it great movie for me!


  • Posts: 15,814 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just in from a late screening of this and really rather enjoyed it. Due to some issues the film was screened in the "luxury theatre" which is just a fancy name for a screen with decent leg room and comfortable seats. I've never seen a late screening so packed though given the size of the screen I imagine that it would look pretty empty had it been in the main screen.

    The original Robocop is considered a classic for the way it managed to be a brutally violent action film that had intelligence to spare and a sense of humor. This remake has little of those ingredients intact but much like Robocop himself, it's a new film for a new generationan and for a bit of throw away Friday night fun it does an admirable job. It's never going to attain the status of Verhoeven's original but it's far from the disaster so many hoped that it would be.

    José Padilha is perhaps the most interesting aspect of the Robocop remake and has already delivered a striking critique of over zelous law enforcement in disadvantaged areas. Much like his work in the Elite Squad series, Padilha anchors Robocop with some of the most inventive, frenetic and realistic gun-play in quite some time. While it lacks the gratuitous violence of the original it doesn't fell like some watered down, bloodless entity, and most surprisingly there's some genuine tension created thanks to a number of inventive tricks Padilha employs so as to hide the gore. One unexpected highlight is the fact that it's one of the few action films in recent years that shows the aftermath with bodies swimming in blood. It's a small thing but key to selling the more realist approach to the action.

    Less successful is the core story in which post explosion Murphy isn't the blank slate of the original. Instead, he retains all his memories and emotions and his interaction with his wife is amongst the oddest romances ever played out on screen. Abbie Cornish played the downtrodden wife and spends most of the film crying and asking where here husband is. There are some interesting themes that could be explored given the situation but the film has no interest in doing anything other than get to the next set piece. Anyways, even if it did try to say something, so little chemistry exists between Cornish and Joel Kinnaman that no one would care.

    The decision to keep Murphy's marriage integral to the plot was a mistake, especially when the relationship between Murphy and Dr. Dennett Norton is far more interesting and dynamic. There's a fatherly love displayed by Oldman but that's more likely to be due to his performance than anything in the script. The biggest oversight is the manner in which Detroit is portrayed. Few cities have such a tragic past and it's almost as if all involved are unaware of it's reputation and sordid past. The original portrayed the city with a gritty realism the made it more character than back drop but here it's just feels like every generic quasi sci-fi city of the future.

    Robocop feels like a missed opportunity. There's some interesting ideas and it explores a few themes but simply doesn't know what to do them. The villains here are cutouts from every evil corporation in the history of cinema and the relationship between Robo and his colleagues is glossed over and the heart of the film, the relationship between Murphy and his family feels manufactured simply to try and add some tension. While it's nowhere near as good as the original, it's still far from the dud many expected and Padilha really impresses. Robocop is perfectly acceptable fodder for a Friday night. It's a slice of throw away fun that won't linger long in the memory but while it lasts it's never boring and there's certainly a hell of a lot worse out there atm.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,971 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I saw this last night and I have to say I quite enjoyed it.
    As Darko has said, the copious levels of violence from the original are absent but it doesn’t feel dumbed down at all, at least to me it didn’t. The action sequences are quite enjoyable and definitely more “mature” if that’s the right word than the PG action seen so often in modern Hollywood SciFi.
    Kinnaman is fine as Murphy, not fantastic and definitely not Peter Weller but he’s not bad. The problem is he’s competing with much more interesting characters portrayed by the likes of Oldman, Keaton and Jackson.
    I’d be curious to know how much creative input Padilha had with this. The satirical elements are still present and receive something of an update in that now the issues are drones and security as opposed to corporations and consumerism.
    One thing which impressed me was the scene where
    the extent of Murphy’s prosthesis
    is revealed. I don’t know if something like that would have been possible in the 80s but I think this is more effective than the simple removing of a helmet.
    I think it’s a bit of a shame they didn’t try and make Detroit appear more menacing and run down. It simply appears as a modern American post-industrial city, hardly in need of a saviour in such a dramatic manner as Verhoeven’s Detroit in the original. Murphy’s wife gets far too much screentime and the fact that he’s
    able to overcome his neurochemical restraints simply by her getting a bit teary eyed
    feels a bit forced as opposed to Murphy’s more organic reclamation of his identity in the original.
    As a bit of Friday night fun, it’s excellent. It’s not better than the original, just different. It doesn’t disappoint, though in fairness my expectations were very low. It

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,356 ✭✭✭MakeEmLaugh


    I have no intention of adding to the box office of a 12's rated remake of an 18's B movie from my youth that absolutely rocked.

    I hope people don't regard this as spam - as I wrote it mainly as a springboard for some discussion - but this is an article on that very issue, of toned-down remakes.
     
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    If you feel you may want to take a look, you can do so here...


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,796 ✭✭✭ebbsy


    I would not disagree with any of that list.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    that was quite good, the satire may be a bit in your face but the corporate greed is more organic. They know what they do is wrong but just don't care. I am opposite to others here in that i preferred how Murphy's humanity was suppresed.

    Strangely enough kids that I saw at this got bored. This film is not as action heavy as you would imagine, dealing more with betrayal, corporate greed, satire etc than balls to the wall action.

    I would have liked to see more exploration into what it is to be human, it was touched upon but maybe it was left on the cutting room floor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 383 ✭✭ps3lover


    I hope people don't regard this as spam - as I wrote it mainly as a springboard for some discussion - but this is an article on that very issue, of toned-down remakes.
     
    292909.jpg

    If you feel you may want to take a look, you can do so here...

    Dear Lord, a date dragged me to that Prom Night movie.
    Normally I don't like those kind of slasher movies but I couldn't see how anyone could have enjoyed that. Both my date and I left after 40 minutes of that trash.
    That's the main one I bring up when people try to defend that stupid subgenre.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    i watched it last night in the Imax, it has considerably less violence compared to the original. However I thought it was amazing, well made and a good reimagining of the Robocop story. I'm probably going to see it again next week with a friend who wants to see it.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,971 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    At the very least it's miles ahead of the sheer amount of crap derived from the 1987 original, I'm especially looking at you, Robocop 3.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    It's the second best Robocop film


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,377 ✭✭✭Warper


    After watching Film 24's slamming of this i went into it with a sense of dread of what i am about to see. I was pleasantly surprised, it is nowhere near as bad as i had thought. While it is nowhere near the original, it is a watchable film. The story is different as well. The characters are all one dimensional and the bad guy sucks but still this is nowhere near as bad as say Stallone's Judge Dredd. Go in not expecting much and you will come out saying its ok, which sufficed for me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,779 ✭✭✭A Neurotic


    I thought this was great! I think people who follow a movie's development closely are at risk of buying into hype - negative or positive - and walking into the cinema with their minds already made up.

    This wasn't anything revolutionary but was very entertaining. I think if you're a fan of recent Marvel movies you'll like this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,699 ✭✭✭Bacchus




  • Registered Users Posts: 5,450 ✭✭✭blastman


    Saw this on Friday night with some trepidation. I think most of the reviews here have summed up my feelings toward the movie. It's not as good as the original, but it's no disaster either. Entertaining enough, a director to watch and some decent performances without being amazing, although Abbie Cornish is sadly wasted.


  • Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    I saw the original when I was far too young and delicate to handle it :) Took me quite a while to watch it later.

    As for this version, I quite liked it. It's a bit bland at times, but it moved along nicely with no slow bits and I felt overall happy leaving the cinema. I liked the little nods here and there to the original.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,988 ✭✭✭constitutionus


    just back from seeing this.

    about a third of the way through it i thought it was good, by the end i thought it was great.

    im as amazed as anyone else but not only is this NOT a carcrash, its got a hell of alot going for it.

    keeping the family angle to me is what sets it apart from the original and stopped it just being gun porn. it just seemed to keep it more "real" or something and it kept reminding me of the ethical and moral implications of actually DOING that to someone. most flims dont dwell on how a character that goes what robo goes through would do outside the "Badass" role , so it was nice to see the blindingly obvious loss or normalacy touched upon.

    oldmans fantastic in this and really helps with the heart of the film, which between him murphy and his family, this has. the bit were murphy gets the reveal of the extent of his condition really did get to me. its not grotesque ala the original execution scene of alex, but still very disturbing to see in a purely clinical sense as all your instincts go "that aint right".

    the film hits themes of imperialims, the dehumanising of warfare, corporatism and medical ethics/technological progression but not in any in your face preachy way. in fact the complete slaggin off of modern media manipulation is done brilliantly here with samuel l jackson. his peice at the end refering to oldmans character had be LOL.

    in fact if you just want to see a good ol fahioned sci/fi cop story this is solid enough on that ground alone. (streethawk the movie :) )

    i guess what surprised me the most was i was actually rooting for murphy by films end. been that long where i actually did that in an actioner that i was beginning to forget what it was like :D

    i give it a surprised 8/10.

    oh and finally, it shouldve been a no brainer but for some reason i just did NOT expect them to use the original music. total nostalgia fest there.

    :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,973 ✭✭✭Chris_Heilong


    Saw it last night, I would definitely recommend it which is a rare thing for me to say about remakes, this is a fresh take on the story, utilising elements from the original but taking them in different directions. The only character that felt under developed for what he is meant to be was Keaton's.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,474 ✭✭✭IncognitoMan


    Went to see this today and even after a few positive reviews I was surprised at how good it was. I like so many others didn't think it would turn out well but its definately worth a look. Dont go in expecting the 87 version and you'll enjoy it. It has me hoping this does well so there will be a sequel.

    Regarding the suit
    I loved when the grey one appeared again at the end and actually felt moving to the black one for this film worked for the story


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    it was good but the ending was a bit to safe for my liking. i hope they get to do a sequel theirs so much more they can do with Murphys story. the acting was very good by most all around


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Thought it was really good, solid entertainment with decent performances. The character charm and over the top satire that made the original so good is lacking somewhat, and understandably the violence has been cut loose (though the film is still somewhat 'harder' than I expected from a PG13), but overall I came away impressed that it wasn't the disaster it very easily could have been.

    Definitely deserving of a 7/10.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,374 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    delighted this is getting a good reception after being written off from conception by so many. Hopefully people will learn to be a bit more open minded.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    delighted this is getting a good reception after being written off from conception by so many. Hopefully people will learn to be a bit more open minded.

    Yes, because remakes have such a great track record that one good remake can undo all the others??


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    delighted this is getting a good reception after being written off from conception by so many. Hopefully people will learn to be a bit more open minded.

    Why though, there's a perfectly good (actually fantastic) original Robocop movie, this was completely pointless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    For fans of the original, check out this. Warning: incredibly NSFW.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    krudler wrote: »
    Why though, there's a perfectly good (actually fantastic) original Robocop movie, this was completely pointless.

    Why bother with sequels then?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,137 ✭✭✭✭TheDoc


    Went with the girlfriend last night, absolutely loved it.

    The original was and is a classic, somewhat infamous by the violence and gore. I always remember in the Robocop boxset I have an interview with the special effects crews who had a discussion with the director about the three round burst pistol, and mentioning how Verhoven didn't want cheap tricks of people spinning quickly or covering up wounds with their arms, he wants the impact of rounds on target to be visible. Something he did again with Total Recall.

    It was noticeable that this version obviously deployed those tricks that can bring a rating down, targets quickly spinning and falling, twisting, quick moving cameras to essentially buy pass the impact of a round on target. But I didn't think it detracted at all from the movie, or the "violence".

    This Robocop seemed a bit more slick, less clunky. Somewhat reminded me of Equilibrium at times. The focus was and should be on Robocop himself and the moves and movement his is deploying, rather then what happens to the enemies. Girlfriend said afterwards I had my jaw slung for the entire seeing in the Chinese testing facility. I just loved it, I thought the combat scenes were brilliantly executed.

    immediate reaction from both of us was mega thumbs up, and after a nights reflection, nothing has changed. Thoroughly enjoyable movie.

    I loved the little nod to the coke factory scene from the original ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Why bother with sequels then?

    Sequels are different, if it warrants a story being told further then grand as long as they're done well. Robocop 2 deals with Murphy coming to terms with his family being gone, and it's stupid fun.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,374 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Yes, because remakes have such a great track record that one good remake can undo all the others??

    Just read through this thread - you had people saying it was going to be terrible from the start - he still has a hand, robocop should be grey, it looks like they are doing a different story, the visor should be down all the time, 'make him more tactical' - thats what is wrong with hollywood...

    It was being written off from the very start, which I said was stupid from the very start.

    Each movie should be judged on its own, unless the people involved have, themselves, a terrible track record.


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