School kids not allowed in supermarket

Nadser · 12-02-2014 10:39PM

Gatling wrote: »

The Op stated its only in school uniform there not allowed,

They would still be under the care of the school regardless of notes or permissions ,

If they say went missing would the school then be able to say sorry parents its not our problem better report your child missing yourself

So you think that if someone goes to the shops at 9pm (with or without their parents) that they would be under the care of the school? I think not.

Femme_Fatale · 12-02-2014 11:02PM

Not sure it was stated anywhere that they go to Tesco for their lunch. They might just go there to get sweets and magazines etc.

Right auld fuddy duddies on this thread, and I'm probably way older than some of them. They were never teenagers themselves too apparently.

tomboylady · 12-02-2014 11:09PM

When I was in school you were allowed outside of the grounds at lunchtime in your final two years. The local supermarket did pretty good business; there was upwards of 1000 students going there everyday. Eventually they got fed up of it and banned anyone in a school uniform. After a few weeks they backtracked and students were allowed back in, but they would have security at the door and would only let a handful of people in at a time.

I used to go the odd day (maybe once a week), but hated the hassle of it so just stopped going altogether.

Tokyo · 12-02-2014 11:10PM

Nadser wrote: »

So you think that if someone goes to the shops at 9pm (with or without their parents) that they would be under the care of the school? I think not.

Not exactly under the parents care either though, if they still haven't managed to make it home by 9pm to change out of their uniform....

Eeden · 13-02-2014 12:16AM

The automatic presumption that every schoolkid is a thug is the thing that bothers me.

2 stroke · 13-02-2014 01:15AM

This isn't a new idea. I remember a local supermarket banning us from their store in the mid 80's. It was the nearest supermarket to the school bus stop, serviced by 8 schoolbuses a day. They forgot that the students of today are the customers of tomorrow. The shop closed in 1998.

sawdoubters · 13-02-2014 04:59AM

about 10% of kids would take stuff

most shops ban children just out of school

it also gives the school a bad name,after school I don't think the school can stop them going into the shop,but most shops don't allow it,most children are well behaved but they buy a lot of junk food

osarusan · 13-02-2014 06:06AM

Nearly 20 years since I was a secondary school student. We went to the shops nearly every day, and robbed them blind.

My personal best was lifting a torch, then going back and lifting the batteries it needed.

crybaby · 13-02-2014 06:09AM

Candie wrote: »

So it's bad if we don't presume innocence when an adult is accused of a crime because their guilt has to be proven, but it's okay to profile kids on the basis of their clothes and age and assume they're all thieving troublemakers, and if parents get upset about it it's ok to assume their kids are the worst of the troublemaking thieves, and it's because the parents don't hit the kids enough.

Sounds reasonable.

A bunch of teenagers got banned from the local Tesco, calm yourself down.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 13-02-2014 11:14AM

Candie wrote: »

So it's bad if we don't presume innocence when an adult is accused of a crime because their guilt has to be proven, but it's okay to profile kids on the basis of their clothes and age and assume they're all thieving troublemakers, and if parents get upset about it it's ok to assume their kids are the worst of the troublemaking thieves, and it's because the parents don't hit the kids enough.

Sounds reasonable.

No one said parents should hit their kids. And, as I've said before, it's part of life that a few people can get everyone a bad name. Whole nationalities have been given a terrible image by a small number of people behaving in a rude, arrogant or anti-social manner. It's one of those things that mightn't be fair, but it happens. It's not as if the better behaved children are losing some important human right - they just have to change out of their uniform before going into the supermarket so their school isn't held responsible for what pupils do outside of school grounds or school hours. Surely the school principal has a right to do her job without constantly being pulled away to deal with anti social behaviour that is really the parents' problem, not her's.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 13-02-2014 11:17AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

Not sure it was stated anywhere that they go to Tesco for their lunch. They might just go there to get sweets and magazines etc.

Right auld fuddy duddies on this thread, and I'm probably way older than some of them. They were never teenagers themselves too apparently.

I was a teenager and we weren't even allowed eat on the street or the bus in our school uniform. I don't remember my parents getting up in arms about it, or any of us whinging about our 'rights'. And no, we didn't behave in the way that I've seen some teenagers behave nowadays, and if a complaint was made to our parents about us they took it seriously, they didn't stand there defending us and insisting we were little angels. they way some parents do nowadays.

Mammanabammana · 13-02-2014 12:48PM

anncoates wrote: »

Maybe if you asked nicely, they might evacuate the shopping centre for you while you get your messages.

I don't really mind if there's people around me while I read my texts.

Nadser · 13-02-2014 08:52PM

mike_ie wrote: »

Not exactly under the parents care either though, if they still haven't managed to make it home by 9pm to change out of their uniform....

OK, first off - who the hell changes out of their school uniform when they get home? I know I never did. (Mind you, I was a child of the 80's recession and I wouldn't have had much in the way of clothes).

Secondly, many people have after-school activities and wouldn't necessarily be home by 9pm. When I was in secondary school, there would havve regularly been two nights a week when I would have been in this situation due to music commitments.

The point I am making is that schools should and do not have any say in what their pupils get up to outside school hours. A school's job is to educate, not dictate an entire person's life.

PizzamanIRL · 13-02-2014 08:56PM

jimgoose wrote: »

It would be rather better if people impressed upon their progeny the requirement to not behave like an infestation of rodents while out in public.

Innit bruv

Nemeses · 13-02-2014 09:05PM

The uniform represents the school. The school are like a business in a way and have to protect their interests. So be it.

Why doesn't the kid just change his uniform once s/he gets home then go off to Tesco?

rubadub · 13-02-2014 09:15PM

Candie wrote: »

So it's bad if we don't presume innocence when an adult is accused of a crime because their guilt has to be proven, but it's okay to profile kids on the basis of their clothes and age and assume they're all thieving troublemakers,

Adults can be subject to rules while in uniform too.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/guys-and-st-thomas-hospital-staff-face-sack-if-caught-smoking-in-uniform-9055750.html

Staff at a London hospital trust could be fired if they are caught smoking in uniform.

Guy’s and St Thomas’ has not only banned staff from smoking on its sites but has warned that they must not light up anywhere in public if their uniform or ID is showing.

The ban applies to the 13,000 employees at Guy’s at London Bridge, St Thomas’ Hospital and Evelina London Children’s Hospital at Waterloo, as well as health centres, GP surgeries, community buildings and patients’ homes.

Workers who flout the rules could face disciplinary action, and repeat offenders may be sacked.

If a local dunnes was getting complaints about their uniformed staff going into tesco and egging each other and banging into people I reckon the manager in dunnes might enforce a similar ban. They would similarly not want the customers seeing their brand and associate it with such behaviour, giving the school/business a bad reputation.

stehyl15 · 14-02-2014 09:20AM

Does anyone not go home anymore and the dunnes and the garage near my school do very well at lunch time mind the boys are always very well behaved and there has never been a problem on the shoplifting issue most kids i know me certainely wouldnt have the sh!t 2 do it

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 14-02-2014 11:21AM

Nadser wrote: »

OK, first off - who the hell changes out of their school uniform when they get home? I know I never did. (Mind you, I was a child of the 80's recession and I wouldn't have had much in the way of clothes).

Secondly, many people have after-school activities and wouldn't necessarily be home by 9pm. When I was in secondary school, there would havve regularly been two nights a week when I would have been in this situation due to music commitments.

The point I am making is that schools should and do not have any say in what their pupils get up to outside school hours. A school's job is to educate, not dictate an entire person's life.

My mother always made us change out of our uniform - for the very reason that money was tight and she didn't want us wearing it out and having to get a new one. Is it really so onerous for teenagers to put on a pair of jeans or track suit bottoms if they want to go back down to the supermarket after school?

Cantona's Collars · 14-02-2014 11:24AM

At least they aren't wearing pyjamas unlike some of their parents.

stoneill · 14-02-2014 11:25AM

In our day we didn't have the luxury of going to the shops!
Feckin spoiled little feckers and their feckin feckers.

norrie rugger · 14-02-2014 11:30AM

OK so an adult of 18 is not allowed to use a public service, by his school?

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 14-02-2014 11:38AM

norrie rugger wrote: »

OK so an adult of 18 is not allowed to use a public service, by his school?

He is not allowed to go into the supermarket while wearing a uniform that associates him with the school.

norrie rugger · 14-02-2014 11:43AM

And the legality of this is found where?
Can a school assert influence over an adult that is not on school grounds?

Super-Rush · 14-02-2014 11:46AM

We weren't allowed to go up town unless we had a note from our parents.

We used to feel like criminals legging it up to the shop through the fields and trying to get back before the vice principal stood at the hole in the fence taking the names of everyone coming back.

The little pricks have no fear of teachers today and show even less respect. If one of them gets hit by a car while they are outside school grounds I suspect the school will be in the ****.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 14-02-2014 12:00PM

norrie rugger wrote: »

And the legality of this is found where?
Can a school assert influence over an adult that is not on school grounds?

I presume they can ask a student to leave the school if they're not happy with the rules. (Supposing any parent was daft enough to take it that far, instead of just telling their kids to suck it up).

norrie rugger · 14-02-2014 12:03PM

Novalee Grumpy Oxygen wrote: »

I presume they can ask a student to leave the school if they're not happy with the rules. (Supposing any parent was daft enough to take it that far, instead of just telling their kids to suck it up).

The reason that I am asking is, what about after school?
Or if the kid goes training, then on the way home has to call in for something stupid like milk&bread?

Especially if that "child" is over 18

PLUG71 · 14-02-2014 12:03PM

All they need to do is put security at the main door who can then vet/recognise trouble makers before they enter!

The kids that are in uniform are representing their school and if they are being little ****es should expect to get punished.

In my experience its the kids that act the maggot and its more likely the adults that are shoplifting!

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 14-02-2014 12:05PM

norrie rugger wrote: »

The reason that I am asking is, what about after school?
Or if the kid goes training, then on the way home has to call in for something stupid like milk&bread?

Especially if that "child" is over 18

Dunno. Presumably he can bring something to change into after training or go to another shop for his milk and bread. If he's an 'adult' then I'm sure he will appreciate Tesco's point of view and how annoying it is for them to have loads of kids in there annoying other customers.

PLUG71 · 14-02-2014 12:05PM

norrie rugger wrote: »

The reason that I am asking is, what about after school?
Or if the kid goes training, then on the way home has to call in for something stupid like milk&bread?

Especially if that "child" is over 18

If they are wearing school uniform they represent the school they attend thus the rules the school puts in place to uphold its rep!

norrie rugger · 14-02-2014 12:08PM

Bull crap.
If the school is that worried about their rep (from uniforms) then stop forcing parents to buy expensive school identifying uniforms.

This smacks of lazy "problem" solving, where the shop will not invest in proper security and the principal will not identify trouble makers.

I image that the school will "suddenly" set up a price inflated shop now

School kids not allowed in supermarket

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