The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 09:04PM

Tox56 wrote: »

No, I don't. Not in a thread that has nothing to do with them, when you only brought them up for another thinly veiled insult.

What insult?

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 09:07PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its not the coverage at all. I loved watching the great New Zealand, Welsh and the French team of 90's used to play rugby that was as good to watch as any sport. It was excellent.

No my point is that there are better Sports stars out there then most of our Rugby players. BOD and O Gara have been world class and set a standard only few could match, but it seems any Irish rugby player who gets a cap these days should be put in the Immortal bracket

i agree this country does produce great sports people in a lot of disciplines
But i think Irish people are more inspired by team games rather than individual triumphs remember the madness in italia 90 that was only a quarter final
A lot of people played a team sport when younger, comparatively few box cycle or compete in athletics,so it is easier to relate to it
as for why rugby in particular it is a tough game where the players show genuine pride in playing for they're local club and country and i believe people appreciate that passion

dd972 · 13-02-2014 09:08PM

I know Soccer / GAA isn't everyone's cup of tea but beyond what happens on the pitch during the 6 Nations or the RWC, I'm sure I'm not alone in finding Rugby culture tedious and large swathes of it's aficionado's douches.

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 09:13PM

dd972 wrote: »

I know Soccer / GAA isn't everyone's cup of tea but beyond what happens on the pitch during the 6 Nations or the RWC, I'm sure I'm not alone in finding Rugby culture tedious and large swathes of it's aficionado's douches.

you know im not so insecure about my sport that i feel the need to belittle the followers of another sport

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 09:14PM

jimboblep wrote: »

i agree this country does produce great sports people in a lot of disciplines
But i think Irish people are more inspired by team games rather than individual triumphs remember the madness in italia 90 that was only a quarter final
A lot of people played a team sport when younger, comparatively few box cycle or compete in athletics,so it is easier to relate to it
as for why rugby in particular it is a tough game where the players show genuine pride in playing for they're local club and country and i believe people appreciate that passion

Thats a fair points there. Team sports will get the most coverage.

But the difference a crap GAA/Soccer player even on a Kerry/Brazil side will be called a crap player, same wont be said in Rugby where every player is seen as a machine.

I wish the Irish team all the best for rest of Championship. I will be rooting for them. I will celebrate if they finish top and win the championship. If they win Grand Slam even better, but I sure as hell wont be celebrating winning Triple crown. That's celebrating mediocrity.

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 09:16PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Thats a fair points there. Team sports will get the most coverage.

But the difference a crap GAA/Soccer player even on a Kerry/Brazil side will be called a crap player, same wont be said in Rugby where every player is seen as a machine.

I wish the Irish team all the best for rest of Championship. I will be rooting for them. I will celebrate if they finish top and win the championship. If they win Grand Slam even better, but I sure as hell wont be celebrating winning Triple crown. That's celebrating mediocrity.

have to win a triple crown to win a grand slam though:D

Duckworth_Luas · 13-02-2014 09:19PM

jimboblep wrote: »

have to win a triple crown to win a grand slam though:D

France have 9 Grand Slams and 0 Triple Crowns.

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 09:21PM

talking about Ireland though arent we

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 09:23PM

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

France have 9 Grand Slams and 0 Triple Crowns.

Just looked through our History in the competition. Christ if you dont know it you're better off not knowing it. Makes for depressing reading.

Lester Freamon · 13-02-2014 09:27PM

jimboblep wrote: »

you know im not so insecure about my sport that i feel the need to belittle the followers of another sport

Then why does it seem socially acceptable to slag off the Irish soccer team or soccer in general across many work places in general?

Insecurity or snobbery?

Both perhaps?

Slag off rugby and you got a look of disgust!

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 09:33PM

Lester Freamon wrote: »

Then why does it seem socially acceptable to slag off the Irish soccer team or soccer in general across many work places in general?

Insecurity or snobbery?

Both perhaps?

Slag off rugby and you got a look of disgust!

I dont mind slagging a teams performance but when you start insulting the majority of fans of a sport thats wrong which is what that guy did

Tox56 · 13-02-2014 09:43PM

Lester Freamon wrote: »

Then why does it seem socially acceptable to slag off the Irish soccer team or soccer in general across many work places in general?

Insecurity or snobbery?

Both perhaps?

Slag off rugby and you got a look of disgust!

This has been said several times and people are clearly looking in the wrong places, because in recent seasons the national team has got a load of abuse for some terrible performances, mostly deserved. Things are on an upward curve now and people are more positive in general

The Lost Sheep · 13-02-2014 09:47PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

so isn't it about time other schools started actually playing rugby, then it wouldn't be such an elitist sport.

Other schools do. They play their cups at beginning of school year as their is a tiered system where schools at all levels essentially compete in same competition at senior(u19) and junior(u16) levels.
http://www.leinsterrugby.ie/domestic/schools/10542.php
And more and more schools are taking up the sport every year with the help of Leinster Rugbys professional development officers.

Warper wrote: »

Roughly about 10 teams take it seriously so to say we are quite good at something that no one plays is the same as saying USA are quite good at baseball. Plus we are not that good at it really compared to the success of others

There is well more than 10 countries taking the sport very seriously. Many take the sport very seriously. Cant compete with the 6Ns, 4Ns but do take it very seriously for example Japan, Madagascar, Romania, Georgia, Russia.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

So you think the triple crown is good? Seriously? Its a out of date competition that is truly unfair to Italy and France.

I only said that the non paying schools aint as good as fee paying ones. You are wrong to suggest otherwise. I will prove it if you like?

My Posts have been negative??? Maybe you forgot to read the posts where I gave huge credit to our real sporting heros, our world class boxers, our World Champions in Athletics, our cyclists going through the toughest Mountains and endurance possible. If thats what you call negative....

The triple crown is good. Nothing wrong with it.
It predates French and Italian involvement in 5/6Nations.
You are being very negative towards rugby.
Its as much about playing numbers why the likes of Blackrock, Belvedere, Ternure all are at the top in terms of senior cups. All 3 have 1000+ students nearly all of whom play rugby for at least first year. That combined with top coaching

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Its not the coverage at all. I loved watching the great New Zealand, Welsh and the French team of 90's used to play rugby that was as good to watch as any sport. It was excellent.

No my point is that there are better Sports stars out there then most of our Rugby players. BOD and O Gara have been world class and set a standard only few could match, but it seems any Irish rugby player who gets a cap these days should be put in the Immortal bracket

That isnt true at all. Plenty of irish players get hyped up but its the same in all sports. Go to the GAA forum and after one provincial/all ireland championship game and a young player plays any bit well and they're hyped up like mad.

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Thats a fair points there. Team sports will get the most coverage.

But the difference a crap GAA/Soccer player even on a Kerry/Brazil side will be called a crap player, same wont be said in Rugby where every player is seen as a machine.

I wish the Irish team all the best for rest of Championship. I will be rooting for them. I will celebrate if they finish top and win the championship. If they win Grand Slam even better, but I sure as hell wont be celebrating winning Triple crown. That's celebrating mediocrity.

You posted enough in rugby forum to know thats not true. Every player is not seen as good. A crap player is seen as crap.

LorMal · 13-02-2014 09:47PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Thats a fair points there. Team sports will get the most coverage.

But the difference a crap GAA/Soccer player even on a Kerry/Brazil side will be called a crap player, same wont be said in Rugby where every player is seen as a machine.

I wish the Irish team all the best for rest of Championship. I will be rooting for them. I will celebrate if they finish top and win the championship. If they win Grand Slam even better, but I sure as hell wont be celebrating winning Triple crown. That's celebrating mediocrity.

Oh how Roy Keane of you....give me a break...celebrating mediocrity (beating Wales, England and Scotland!). Have a go in a front row yourself and see how mediocre the whole thing is.
Tell you what is mediocre - winning the hurling - a few counties are all that can be bothered - a back door if you lose. Marty Morrissey wetting himself....

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 09:52PM

LorMal wrote: »

Oh how Roy Keane of you....give me a break...celebrating mediocrity (beating Wales, England and Scotland!). Have a go in a front row yourself and see how mediocre the whole thing is.
Tell you what is mediocre - winning the hurling - a few counties are all that can be bothered - a back door if you lose. Marty Morrissey wetting himself....

The funny thing is you dont see the irony in what you just posted.:pac:

fingal raven · 13-02-2014 09:55PM

Why did the OP and other posters feel the need to have a go at protestants ? apart from some of the Ulster players I think few if any of the players are protestants and the Ross O'Carroll Kelly types do not come from protestant schools. Very few of the players are from D4. The moaners such just be glad that Ireland has a team that can compete at the highest level. Just because there are some supporters that are a bit annoying should not tar all the supporters, after all soccer has some gurrier supporters and GAA has some bigots !

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 10:01PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Many take the sport very seriously. Cant compete with the 6Ns, 4Ns but do take it very seriously for example Japan, Madagascar, Romania, Georgia, Russia.

Name the 15 best player in each of those teams?

Tox56 · 13-02-2014 10:07PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name the 15 best player in each of those teams?

Jesus, talk about goalpost shifting!

jimboblep · 13-02-2014 10:07PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name the 15 best player in each of those teams?

you should look at the wiki page for Japanese rugby seriously popular sport out there as for naming players nope but then i dont follow them i could of just googled it but why bother

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 10:09PM

Tox56 wrote: »

Jesus, talk about goalpost shifting!

lol well done. Bad excuse 0/10

The Lost Sheep · 13-02-2014 10:09PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name the 15 best player in each of those teams?

Vitaly Armetiev, went to school in Ireland and had played with Northampton saints for a period, would be up there for the russians
Gorgodze, monster of a second row, plays with Montpelier would be Georgian top player.
Daisuke Ohata is a Japanese winger who holds the world record for most trys.
No idea about Madagascar or Romanian players

Micky Dolenz · 13-02-2014 10:10PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Name the 15 best player in each of those teams?

Relax the kacks will ya. Don't make them take away the nice things.

On a related note about fee paying schools. A lot of those lads get scholarships. A mate of mine got one in 3rd year so he could play rugby with them.

Fratton Fred · 13-02-2014 10:20PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

You are being very negative towards rugby.
Its as much about playing numbers why the likes of Blackrock, Belvedere, Ternure all are at the top in terms of senior cups. All 3 have 1000+ students nearly all of whom play rugby for at least first year. That combined with top coaching

Just to add though, I believe St Mary's has had more international players than any other school and they are half the size of Blackrock.

Worth adding though, like the schools you mentioned, they have a director of rugby. Not a coach or PE teacher, a director who is responsible for developing just the rugby programme in the school. That is impressive.

WesternZulu · 13-02-2014 10:21PM

LorMal wrote: »

Tell you what is mediocre - winning the hurling - a few counties are all that can be bothered - a back door if you lose. Marty Morrissey wetting himself....

Replace the following;
Hurling with 6 nations
Counties with countries
Marty Morrissey with Ryle Nugent

Live and let live!

Micky Dolenz · 13-02-2014 10:22PM

Toooommmy Boooooooowe.

The_Kew_Tour · 13-02-2014 10:26PM

WesternZulu wrote: »

Replace the following;
Hurling with 6 nations
Counties with countries
Marty Morrissey with Ryle Nugent

Live and let live!

The fact he thought beating Scotland was putting me in my place had me laughing for while.

Duckworth_Luas · 13-02-2014 10:27PM

WesternZulu wrote: »

Replace the following;

Marty Morrissey with Ryle Nugent

The female population of Ireland would really put boot to balls then!

swimming in a sea · 13-02-2014 10:50PM

I like most sports that are played at an elite level. I did not grow up in a Rugby environment but I still like watching the All Blacks even though I struggle with the rules.

I did not enjoy the Ireland vs Wales game on Saturday, Ireland did a number on Wales and stopped them playing. All the rugby pundits thought this was great\smart and they were smug about this. Replace Ireland's name with England's and then you would have heard cynical\boring and about how England are ruining the game.

Double Standards from the Rugby people is what I hate, at least there was plenty of Irish soccer pundits that were not afraid to call Ireland boring even when they qualified for Euro 2012.

"The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom." Danny Blanchflower

nullzero · 13-02-2014 10:53PM

Rugby doesn't bother me as much as it used to. As a sport I don't mind it but I wouldn't assume to be jumping on the bandwagon when Ireland do well (like the scrote bags who traded in their Liverpool tops for Irish rugby ones in 2009). The thing that does get me is how rugby is treated as being on par with politics and international events in the Irish media. There is definitely an attitude that informs you that rugby is the game of the "ruling class" in this country, it is an old boys network without a doubt but it can be easily ignored as well.

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 10:54PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

What other trophies?

The calcutta cup.

The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

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