The D4 Media/ Posh Boys and Irish Rugby – Spoon feeding the masses

Rightwing · 13-02-2014 12:15PM

Heroditas wrote: »

Interesting that you say this in After Hours but not in the rugby forum.

If you say you are from Munster in the rugby forum it's nearly enough to get you banned, let alone that!

Heroditas · 13-02-2014 12:16PM

Rightwing wrote: »

If you say you are from Munster in the rugby forum it's nearly enough to get you banned, let alone that!

Proper order

sullivlo · 13-02-2014 12:19PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

You have to realise that Irish teams are at a huge advantage. Leinster and Munster don't have to qualify for the European Cup whereas the French and English do. Therefore the English and French clubs can't rest their star players in the domestic games while Leinster can leave out the main guys to rest for important European games coming up. This is a massive disadvantage. The English and French also value their domestic league much greater.
In the Heineken Cup the Italians clubs are atrocious, the Scots have one good performance every 10 games. Edinburgh in Murrayfield with 1,000 fans there says it all and they're generally very poor and the Welsh couldn't give a crap about their clubs and they're in huge trouble. What Leinster and Munster achieved isn't that impressive when you actually think about it.

What's so good about Irish contribution to the British Lions? The Lions represent nothing about being Irish. O'Driscoll got dropped and they went on to hammer Australia without him.

Leinster, Munster and Ulster QUALIFIED for the HEC last year. It's not just a show up and compete dealie - there are rankings involved. Connacht took Leinsters qualification spot as they won the Amlin cup and qualified via that.

And regarding the contribution to the Lions, Wales couldn't beat Australia but with Johnny Sexton they did

sullivlo · 13-02-2014 12:20PM

Rightwing wrote: »

If you say you are from Munster in the rugby forum it's nearly enough to get you banned, let alone that!

Yeah awec with his pork and ban hammer just can't see past Ulster

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:21PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Leinster, Munster and Ulster QUALIFIED for the HEC last year. It's not just a show up and compete dealie - there are rankings involved. Connacht took Leinsters qualification spot as they won the Amlin cup and qualified via that.

Ah come on. You know and I know that they have to do every little to qualify

LorMal · 13-02-2014 12:21PM

Have to say, I agree it is played only in some areas and certainly was extremely snobbish and elitist up until quite recently (this has changed somewhat since the game turned professional). The best coaching and facilities are still in the private schools and they completely dominate at underage levels.
That said, I love watching rugby. I was unfortunately in that I went to a northside Dublin GAA school and never got a chance to play it really.
It is a fantastic game to watch - and incredibly skillful as well as physical.
I played GAA at a reasonably high level for school and club. It just doesn't appeal to me at all to follow now. Its very parochial and almost deliberately lacking any style or flair. The rules are ambiguous and the referring is poor. I don't feel any allegiance to a county - it all seems very narrow and inward looking. I understand this made sense in times past when very few got to travel outside of Ireland and your local area was probably your home for life. Now it just seems silly. I wince when people refer to themselves based on their county 'I am a Corkman / Kerryman / Dub...etc' as if that means anything about them. And they need to improve those awful jerseys...

Irishcrx · 13-02-2014 12:21PM

Yeah Rugby, I've nothing against it to be honest just don't enjoy watching it and it is seen as sort of an elitest thing in Dublin anyway, reserved for the bhoys from the south. Anytime were out and the soccer arguement comes up as always , it's always the same bashing ' Oh Rugby is a mans sport, blah blah rolling on the ground blah blah'

The one thing you can take from the lads that spout this crap is this...

A. They have probably never played Rugby.

B. They have never played soccer or been very poor at it.

C. They have never played soccer on a wet and windy Saturday morning in the amatuer leauges having the legs kicked off them, face down in the mud, elbows to the face , head butts in the back of the head , Balls into the nads , studs into the shins, knee's into the back (It's not all what you watch on TV you know)

D. This theory of falling and rolling around , for anyone that actually does know soccer and play it they will know that when you are running at speed with the ball , weiving right and left trying to pass a defender a simple nudge off course or leg in will send you on your arse and you can't help it, If you can keep your balance most players will try and stay on their feet and continue but defenders often will try put you on the floor to stop your run. And yes studs into the back of the calf can actually be more painfull than getting a shoulder and 'Rory popping roish backs up likes a man'.

LorMal · 13-02-2014 12:22PM

Rightwing wrote: »

This is a little misleading. Current coach is very pro Leinster, so he leaves out a few Munster players.

So the only 2 non bolded players there are from Limerick, probably does tell you a bit about rugby.

Also, rugby is growing very quickly outside it's traditional places, so you probably will never again see that amount.

rubbish - the coach is from New Zealand for Gawds sake

Rightwing · 13-02-2014 12:23PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Yeah awec with his pork and ban hammer just can't see past Ulster

I've no problem with that, I always put Munster ahead of Ireland.

That's why I can't support football, our football clubs are absolute muck.

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:23PM

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

And rugby is probably only the 4th largest sport in Ireland and yet we still compete despite the small pool of players

We still compete as only 11 other nations that play the bloody thing. People can't seem to realise that.

Sure Italy and Scotland beat us last year.

sullivlo · 13-02-2014 12:24PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Ah come on. You know and I know that they have to do every little to qualify

Just win their games?!

There is a restructure in place and it's likely that more English and French clubs will qualify at the expense of some Rabo teams. But to say they don't have to qualify to play in Europe is wrong.

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:25PM

LorMal wrote: »

Have to say, I agree it is played only in some areas and certainly was extremely snobbish and elitist up until quite recently (this has changed somewhat since the game turned professional). The best coaching and facilities are still in the private schools and they completely dominate at underage levels.
That said, I love watching rugby. I was unfortunately in that I went to a northside Dublin GAA school and never got a chance to play it really.
It is a fantastic game to watch - and incredibly skillful as well as physical.
I played GAA at a reasonably high level for school and club. It just doesn't appeal to me at all to follow now. Its very parochial and almost deliberately lacking any style or flair. The rules are ambiguous and the referring is poor. I don't feel any allegiance to a county - it all seems very narrow and inward looking. I understand this made sense in times past when very few got to travel outside of Ireland and your local area was probably your home for life. Now it just seems silly. I wince when people refer to themselves based on their county 'I am a Corkman / Kerryman / Dub...etc' as if that means anything about them. And they need to improve those awful jerseys...

I wince when I hear players say "I'm so proud to be from Leinster. I was born here and i'm proud of that"
Who on earth has ever been proud to be from a province.

sullivlo · 13-02-2014 12:26PM

Rightwing wrote: »

I've no problem with that, I always put Munster ahead of Ireland.

That's why I can't support football, our football clubs are absolute muck.

Really? I would always put Ireland over Leinster. Each to their own I suppose.

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:26PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Just win their games?!

There is a restructure in place and it's likely that more English and French clubs will qualify at the expense of some Rabo teams. But to say they don't have to qualify to play in Europe is wrong.

If Munster finish say 6th in the Rabo will they qualify for Europe?

sullivlo · 13-02-2014 12:27PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

I wince when I hear players say "I'm so proud to be from Leinster. I was born here and i'm proud of that"
Who on earth has ever been proud to be from a province.

What difference is it to GAA players being proud of their county?!

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 12:28PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

If Munster finish say 6th in the Rabo will they qualify for Europe?

depends where the other 3 Provinces finish.

If Grenoble finish 6th in the top 14 will they qualify?

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:28PM

sullivlo wrote: »

What difference is it to GAA players being proud of their county?!

A county is completely different to a province. You know that. There's more pride in a county

LorMal · 13-02-2014 12:29PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

I wince when I hear players say "I'm so proud to be from Leinster. I was born here and i'm proud of that"
Who on earth has ever been proud to be from a province.

When do you hear players saying that?? Really? Any quotes handy?
Leinster is a club.

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:29PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

depends where the other 3 Provinces finish.

Connacht are bottom of the table. Munster would still qualify yes?

LorMal · 13-02-2014 12:29PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

A county is completely different to a province. You know that. There's more pride in a county

See - this is the parochial thing I was referring to

sullivlo · 13-02-2014 12:30PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

A county is completely different to a province. You know that. There's more pride in a county

It's not really different though. The province is the pool of players.

There is pride in a country too. Should there not be? After all a country is a collection of counties.

RonnieRocket · 13-02-2014 12:30PM

Counties were just arbitrary lines drawn by the British to administer rule in Ireland. Ironic that the GAA heads pledge such devotion and allegiance to a British creation.

Rightwing · 13-02-2014 12:31PM

LorMal wrote: »

When do you hear players saying that?? Really? Any quotes handy?
Leinster is a club.

No, we do have an advantage over other clubs in Eng/Fr, Leinster is a province with a big population for rugby.

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 12:31PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

A county is completely different to a province. You know that. There's more pride in a county

Only because it was decided so longer ago.

Its an accident of where your born. Your county border could just as easily have been deifferent and youd be from somewhere else.

sullivlo · 13-02-2014 12:31PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Connacht are bottom of the table. Munster would still qualify yes?

Currently, yes.

But finishing 6th in the top 14 will also have you qualified.

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:31PM

LorMal wrote: »

See - this is the parochial thing I was referring to

Is the 6 nations not parochial then? People cheering on a place they happen to be from just on a larger scale to GAA

HooohRaaah · 13-02-2014 12:32PM

sullivlo wrote: »

Currently, yes.

But finishing 6th in the top 14 will also have you qualified.

That's laughable. So realistically the top 3 Irish provinces have to do very little to qualify for Europe

Micky Dolenz · 13-02-2014 12:32PM

Mod

Please don't comment on how other forums are modded. Thanks

The 80 may be well up on this thread, lets keep the ball in play and see what happens.

Grabs coat.

LorMal · 13-02-2014 12:32PM

Rightwing wrote: »

No, we do have an advantage over other clubs in Eng/Fr, Leinster is a province with a big population for rugby.

I think you have strayed from the point?

Guy:Incognito · 13-02-2014 12:33PM

HooohRaaah wrote: »

Connacht are bottom of the table. Munster would still qualify yes?

BTW, French teams rest players all the time. Half of them don't give a crap about away games.

For someone that doesn't like Rugby you seem to be trying to show how knowledgeable about it you are.

How about those working class teams from Dublin from a couple of pages back or have we moved on? We were on 7 or 8 by my 2nd list.

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