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Don't marry a Non-EU Spouse if you are poor or disabled

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  • #32
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Nothing stopping you going to live in non EU country with the love of your life, is there?


  • #33
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    yeah that seems reasonable but i have no doubt you would start a thread about their inability to claim benefits it that were the case

    You mean you made an assumption.


  • #34
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    MadsL wrote: »
    You mean you made an assumption.
    yes


  • #35
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    they're back in their respective homelands now and i don't know who the men are so, no

    How convenient.


  • #36
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Nothing stopping you going to live in non EU country with the love of your life, is there?

    Dependant parent perhaps, family ties, child from a previous relationship in the country, healthcare services.

    Lots of reasons why people cannot simply emigrate.


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  • #37
    Royal Irish
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,401 ✭✭✭Royal Irish


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Can you explain how someone 'earns' social welfare? Why would it be classed as earnings?

    Queuing up once a month to sign on is a pain so for that reason, its well earned.


  • #38
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    MadsL wrote: »
    How about if the new immigrant is highly skilled and can work and take this person off benefits?

    Then they would find it very easy to get a visa without being sponsored. This isn't saying people can't come in on their own merit, all it says is that if you are broke you can't say you will support someone through immigration.

    If someone has been unemployed for two years they can't afford to support somebody. Why in your OP did you say a year, the quoted text clearly says a minimum of 2.

    You would earn 13k gross per year on minimum wage. You'd need to be on part time or less and on minimum wage to not meet the criteria.


  • #39
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    AndonHandon wrote: »
    Why do you have to fall in love before you marry?

    Do you like it indian style where they force 2 people together over a few pigs and goats and hope to fall in love later?


  • #40
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    MadsL wrote: »
    And if I am unable to work as I have a mental illness or I am blind say?

    Ach look! As my dear old mother used to say "ye'd argue with your nails!"

    You have a mental illness so you go and find the love of your life abroad.........

    I'll leave you to this one I think. Life's too short for pointless arguments. Suffice to say I back the initiative fully and no amount of "yes but....what about if...." will change that.
    :)


  • #41
    Get off my lawn!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭Get off my lawn!


    GarIT wrote: »
    Then they would find it very easy to get a visa without being sponsored.

    Erm, as a highly skilled non-EU immigrant with verifiable income who tried to extend my stay in Ireland, this was not my experience at all.


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  • #42
    AndonHandon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    Temptamperu wrote: »
    Do you like it indian style where they force 2 people together over a few pigs and goats and hope to fall in love later?

    That's my only hope at this point!


  • #43
    Plates
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 925 ✭✭✭Plates


    Who would want to marry a broke, unemployed waster in the first place other than another broke, unemployed waster?

    Looks like a saving in social welfare to me so I support it.


  • #44
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    GarIT wrote: »
    Then they would find it very easy to get a visa without being sponsored.

    Possibly, it is getting harder and harder. They would need a company bringing them in over an EU person and being able to explain why.
    This isn't saying people can't come in on their own merit, all it says is that if you are broke you can't say you will support someone through immigration.

    The US asks you to exclude them from SS payments and only requires 125 income above the poverty level, not 3 years history. The level is set at the current time not what you earned in 2012.
    If someone has been unemployed for two years they can't afford to support somebody. Why in your OP did you say a year, the quoted text clearly says a minimum of 2.
    Read it again. There are two exclusions. 1. Not enough made income (€40k) in three years or 2. Last two years on SW.
    You would earn 13k gross per year on minimum wage. You'd need to be on part time or less and on minimum wage to not meet the criteria.

    Part-time workers cannot marry non-EU then? Tough huh.


  • #45
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Steven Uninterested Orchestra wrote: »
    Ach look! As my dear old mother used to say "ye'd argue with your nails!"

    You have a mental illness so you go and find the love of your life abroad.........

    I'll leave you to this one I think. Life's too short for pointless arguments. Suffice to say I back the initiative fully and no amount of "yes but....what about if...." will change that.
    :)

    No bipolar people should be getting married to foreigners eh?


  • #46
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    MadsL wrote: »
    Possibly, it is getting harder and harder. They would need a company bringing them in over an EU person and being able to explain why.



    The US asks you to exclude them from SS payments and only requires 125 income above the poverty level, not 3 years history. The level is set at the current time not what you earned in 2012.


    Read it again. There are two exclusions. 1. Not enough made income (€40k) in three years or 2. Last two years on SW.



    Part-time workers cannot marry non-EU then? Tough huh.


    40k culumative over 3 years is an average of 13,333 / year


  • #47
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Boombastic wrote: »
    40k culumative over 3 years is an average of 13,333 / year

    And?


  • #48
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    yes yes we're awful fascists here


  • #49
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    MadsL wrote: »
    Possibly, it is getting harder and harder. They would need a company bringing them in over an EU person and being able to explain why.



    The US asks you to exclude them from SS payments and only requires 125 income above the poverty level, not 3 years history. The level is set at the current time not what you earned in 2012.


    Read it again. There are two exclusions. 1. Not enough made income (€40k) in three years or 2. Last two years on SW.



    Part-time workers cannot marry non-EU then? Tough huh.

    If someone doesn't meet the criteria to come here, they shouldn't, they are given a compromise by being able to be sponsored, all the government is asking is that the sponsor is financially stable.

    I don't think the US policy on sponsors is good enough, If I was them I would tighten their policies, I'm happy with ours.

    I read it properly the first time. You said if somebody has been on social welfare for a year they can't sponsor but they can, they need to be on social welfare for two years to be ruled out as a sponsor.

    Part time minimum wage workers can marry non EU citizens, they just can't say that they are financially stable enough to support their spouse in moving into the country.


  • #50
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    MadsL wrote: »
    And?

    Minimum wage of 8.65 works out at nearly 18,000 / year, so your op is a load of rabble rousing crap based on false statements


  • #51
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    yes yes we're awful fascists here

    Where did i say that? I haven't had a great experience with GNIB in the past, but where did I make that claim?


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  • #52
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Minimum wage of 8.65 works out at nearly 18,000 / year, so your op is a load of rabble rousing crap based on false statements

    Which statements are false?


  • #53
    Temptamperu
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,303 ✭✭✭Temptamperu


    MadsL wrote: »
    No bipolar people should be getting married to foreigners eh?

    Thats me and my missus fooked.


  • #54
    Boombastic
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    MadsL wrote: »
    Which statements are false?


    Most of them,


  • #55
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    GarIT wrote: »
    I read it properly the first time. You said if somebody has been on social welfare for a year they can't sponsor but they can, they need to be on social welfare for two years to be ruled out as a sponsor.

    Let me spell it out. If I earn minimum wage 40hrs week for two years, then lose my job. That is €18k per year, so I earned €36k. As SW payments do not count I am €4k shy of the target.

    Part time minimum wage workers can marry non EU citizens, they just can't say that they are financially stable enough to support their spouse in moving into the country.

    What level of work is 'financially stable' in your view. And should the disabled have rights in this matter, even if they are on SW?


  • #56
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Most of them,

    Which ones? Specifically.


  • #57
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Why are you getting so upset ???

    Are you on disability and planning to marry some oul one from god only knows where
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  • #58
    GarIT
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,641 ✭✭✭GarIT


    I am leaving this discussion because it is frustrating me but I will make one last point. The purpose of the sponsor system is that if a person is unable to meet the requirements for immigration the sponsor will support this person financially when they move to their new country. If you are not financially stable you are not in a position to sponsor somebody. The criteria listed only rule out the most financially unstable.

    An example has been given of disabled people. Yes they may be affected, but if you are relying on a disability payment you are not in a financial position to support somebody. If you are not financially stable enough to bring someone in you can't claim that you are, being disabled is irrelevant.


  • #59
    _Whimsical_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,992 ✭✭✭_Whimsical_


    I find it amazing that people find this acceptable in the same weeks where people are willing to take to social media and the streets to support the concept of marriage equality.
    So discrimination is ok if it's towards disabled people who have no ability to affect a change in their earning ability? On the basis of how they were born?
    Or it's ok if a person found themselves out of work in a climate where we have mass unenemployment? The last three years have been entirely unrepresentative of a lot of people's work history. A economic climate beyond our control has dictated the employment prospects of a great many people .

    This is disgraceful. At its heart is plain old discrimination, it's not different from any other form of marriage discrimination that so many people are rightly outraged about.


  • #60
    giant_midget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,162 ✭✭✭giant_midget


    Plates wrote: »
    Who would want to marry a broke, unemployed waster in the first place other than another broke, unemployed waster?

    Looks like a saving in social welfare to me so I support it.

    Couldn't have put it better myself. Hope this is properly enforced.


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  • #61
    MadsL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    GarIT wrote: »
    I am leaving this discussion because it is frustrating me

    Or because you read my OP incorrectly and cannot acknowledge that.

    but I will make one last point. The purpose of the sponsor system is that if a person is unable to meet the requirements for immigration the sponsor will support this person financially when they move to their new country. If you are not financially stable you are not in a position to sponsor somebody. The criteria listed only rule out the most financially unstable.

    How is working minimum wage for the past two years "financially unstable" - if someone can put a roof over their heads, they can do it for two, especially if that person no longer has to be a tourist unable to work.
    An example has been given of disabled people. Yes they may be affected, but if you are relying on a disability payment you are not in a financial position to support somebody. If you are not financially stable enough to bring someone in you can't claim that you are, being disabled is irrelevant.

    So prohibit the spouse from receiving SW. Simple solution.


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