Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

JRant · 12-02-2014 01:42AM

end of the road wrote: »

not really, they just talk to the guards iron out any issues the guards raise and that will be it

Now were getting somewhere. If that happened then it would go a long way to easing residents concerns. The problem lies in the fact that the GAA refuse to implement even the most basic of suggestions. This of course on the back of astronomical sums of money being earned by hosting these events.

Whosthis · 12-02-2014 01:43AM

JRant wrote: »

Garda helicopter to be kept away, there's just no need for it.

The purpose of the helicopter is event control. 80000 people in the streets surrounding CP requires management, the helicopter provides a complete overview of the area and allows further emergency services to be dispatched ASAP to any incidents(crushes, fights, etc). It can also assist in traffic management for the wider area.

roadsmart · 12-02-2014 01:43AM

Ah people, don't feed the troll. This trainspotter (eotr) posts just to have a post count, it's not like he's making any salient points. Ignore.

JRant · 12-02-2014 01:54AM

Whosthis wrote: »

The purpose of the helicopter is event control. 80000 people in the streets surrounding CP requires management, the helicopter provides a complete overview of the area and allows further emergency services to be dispatched ASAP to any incidents(crushes, fights, etc). It can also assist in traffic management for the wider area.

They managed just fine without one for years so I don't see it as a necessity.
Ever had one hoover for a protracted length of time above your house? It's like a cango hammer going off in the room.

Not sure what use it'd be for traffic management.
AGS "whats the traffic like from up there?"
Pilot "jammed"
AGS "thought so"

end of the road · 12-02-2014 02:03AM

JRant wrote: »

They managed just fine without one for years

not really, they have had one for years, long before the amount of cars grew

JRant wrote: »

I don't see it as a necessity.

well the guardai do

JRant wrote: »

Ever had one hoover for a protracted length of time above your house? It's like a cango hammer going off in the room.

yeah, but better to have it then not

JRant wrote: »

Not sure what use it'd be for traffic management.
AGS "whats the traffic like from up there?"
Pilot "jammed"
AGS "thought so"

well we have it and the guardai will use it when they need to so you will have to except it

Whosthis · 12-02-2014 02:06AM

JRant wrote: »

They managed just fine without one for years so I don't see it as a necessity.
Ever had one hoover for a protracted length of time above your house? It's like a cango hammer going off in the room.

Not sure what use it'd be for traffic management.
AGS "whats the traffic like from up there?"
Pilot "jammed"
AGS "thought so"

Just because you don't see it as a necessity doesn't mean its not. AGS, Event Management and Health and Safety experts would refute your claim.

They may have managed without one for years but its a valuable tool that's now at their disposal and it should be used for large events such as this.

By the way, I'm not denying it could be a nuisance to residents, I'm not supporting the granting of licenses for the Garth Brooks concerts. I'm merely explaining the purpose of the helicopter.

roadsmart · 12-02-2014 02:09AM

Whosthis wrote: »

Just because you don't see it as a necessity doesn't mean its not. AGS, Event Management and Health and Safety experts would refute your claim.
its a valuable tool that's now at their disposal and it should be used for large events such as this..

Agree fully, it's a marvellous piece of equipment.

weldoninhio · 12-02-2014 08:49AM

Zirconia wrote: »

I guess the concert promoters, GAA etc. are "only doing it for the fans"?

I would suggest that due to their original commitment with the local residents, they (GAA, the concert promoters/management and Mr Brooks), should be forced to forfeit all ticket and associated concert revenue for all the concerts after the first three, which should be donated for the betterment of the local residents facilities in the area (but not direct payment to the residents)

I suspect the GAA and Concert parties will not be quite as keen to trample over their original commitment in those circumstances?

Could you point us in the direction of this fabled "original commitment" to the local residents?? If you mean the planning application, it states nowhere that only 3 concerts will go ahead.

12-02-2014 10:36AM

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

I wonder how they'd feel if half the population of Dublin descended on their farm/bog/halting site for a 5-day rave?

They would be forceably removed if necessary as they would be trespassing on private property. The streets of Dublin on the other hand are public property paid for and maintained equally by the taxes of people who live there and people who live in the most remote part of the country, of course its not equally though as Dublin would get much more than its fair share of money towards road maintenance etc while people out the country are left with roads in terrible condition.

Then croke park itself is a property owned by the GAA which concert goers are permitted to enter. Neither the streets around croke park or croke park itself can be even remotely compared to private land.

ProfessorPlum · 12-02-2014 10:43AM

There's a couple of things that are clear from this thread.

One is that the Croke Park residents will be majorly inconvenienced by so many concerts this year.
The second is that Garth Brooks fans are obnoxious fools who couldn't give a flying *** about anybody but themselves (the ones who post on this thread anyway - I'm sure most of them are regular, normal, nice people).
The likelihood is that the concerts will go ahead - I hope that DCC, the GAA, AGS and the promoters will make arrangements so that there is as little disruption as possible. If that means some people will have to get up a little earlier and plan a journey, so be it.
I hope that DCC will put some proper measures in place so this issue doesn't occur again. It benefits nobody.

VONSHIRACH · 12-02-2014 11:17AM

JRant wrote: »

For what possible reason would you need to hoover in a helicopter over a heavily residential area at midnight?

brings a whole new meaning to crowd control altogether!

systemicrisk · 12-02-2014 11:43AM

seamus wrote: »

Yes, within reasonable hours. If you live near a large industrial facility, they can cause constant disruption, 6 days a week from 8am to 10pm and there's basically nothing you can do about it.

If Croke Park are planning on holding gigs that go on till 1am, then you've got a valid reason to complain, but otherwise assuming the facility is in use during normal hours, then residents just have to put up with it, because that's what happens when you buy a house beside a stadium.

If you don't like it, move.

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

They dont have issue with the original concert but with the additional 2 nights. It is quite frankly ridiculous to put residents through the disruption for 5 nights in a row.

I cant understand the mentality of people like you who think that people should put up and shut up when any business or government does something that affects them. Whenever I read the same bull**** statement "well they knew what it was like before they....." or "if they dont like it they can ......" I discount anything that follows from that poster as very little of intelligence usually follows. People have a right to complain and protest to try and change their lot in life.

VONSHIRACH · 12-02-2014 11:48AM

in relation to driving or using public transport, I go to Croke Park regularly for the GAA, league and championship including AI finals when I get tickets.

I live in Lucan, Dublin and have used a combination of train/bus/luas to get to Croker, but now my wife and I take the car. It is far quicker and cheaper. The public transport options for us to Croker are just too awkward.

25a into town and walk/luas/bus = too slow
drive to Leixlip and train to Drumcondra/walk = too slow Drumcondra station apres match is apocylptic.
drive/buses to Kylemore LUAS to Connolly/walk = too slow
drive to Adamstown and train to Heuston and LUAS/walk = too slow
taxis too expensive

A public transport trip to Croker and home for me is slower than a 2 hour drive to Limerick from my home. i completely understand why anyone attending Croker for a concert or match uses their car.

anncoates · 12-02-2014 11:51AM

VONSHIRACH wrote: »

in relation to driving or using public transport, I go to Croke Park regularly for the GAA, league and championship including AI finals when I get tickets.

I live in Lucan, Dublin and have used a combination of train/bus/luas to get to Croker, but now my wife and I take the car. It is far quicker and cheaper. The public transport options for us to Croker are just too awkward.

25a into town and walk/luas/bus = too slow
drive to Leixlip and train to Drumcondra/walk = too slow Drumcondra station apres match is apocylptic.
drive/buses to Kylemore LUAS to Connolly/walk = too slow
drive to Adamstown and train to Heuston and LUAS/walk = too slow
taxis too expensive

A public transport trip to Croker and home for me is slower than a 2 hour drive to Limerick from my home. i completely understand why anyone attending Croker for a concert or match uses their car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3kgjzUsDeg

bumper234 · 12-02-2014 12:03PM

VONSHIRACH wrote: »

in relation to driving or using public transport, I go to Croke Park regularly for the GAA, league and championship including AI finals when I get tickets.

I live in Lucan, Dublin and have used a combination of train/bus/luas to get to Croker, but now my wife and I take the car. It is far quicker and cheaper. The public transport options for us to Croker are just too awkward.

25a into town and walk/luas/bus = too slow
drive to Leixlip and train to Drumcondra/walk = too slow Drumcondra station apres match is apocylptic.
drive/buses to Kylemore LUAS to Connolly/walk = too slow
drive to Adamstown and train to Heuston and LUAS/walk = too slow
taxis too expensive

A public transport trip to Croker and home for me is slower than a 2 hour drive to Limerick from my home. i completely understand why anyone attending Croker for a concert or match uses their car.

And for someone living in the vicinity oF Croke park driving home after a day in work, How long do you think it will take them to get home when they have to drive through thousands of people jamming up the roads and constant checkpoints by guards and stewards?

wedger · 12-02-2014 12:17PM

@Bumper... I live inside the cordon area and I know that when Im finsihed work go collect my little fella and head hope I will have a snow balls chance in hell of getting any where near my home.

In fact I'll have to use my annual leave to ensure that I get home in time with my car and the bits and pieces I need for my son. Public transport is an absolute no go. The busses will be jammers and It will take two different journeys to get to the top of clonliffe road. The evening rush hour traffic on Fri Mon and Tues combined with concert traffic will be catastrophic to DCC traffic management.

Dorset St-Drumcondra road are are main traffic artery out of the city for commuters on the North side. They cant open the port tunnell for free as the flow of traffic would be to great against health and safety plus the back log would stretch all the way up the quays.

These extra evenings will cause mayhem in the area to commuters residents and businesses......

Johnny_Fontane · 12-02-2014 12:19PM

VONSHIRACH wrote: »

in relation to driving or using public transport, I go to Croke Park regularly for the GAA, league and championship including AI finals when I get tickets.

I live in Lucan, Dublin and have used a combination of train/bus/luas to get to Croker, but now my wife and I take the car. It is far quicker and cheaper. The public transport options for us to Croker are just too awkward.

25a into town and walk/luas/bus = too slow
drive to Leixlip and train to Drumcondra/walk = too slow Drumcondra station apres match is apocylptic.
drive/buses to Kylemore LUAS to Connolly/walk = too slow
drive to Adamstown and train to Heuston and LUAS/walk = too slow
taxis too expensive

A public transport trip to Croker and home for me is slower than a 2 hour drive to Limerick from my home. i completely understand why anyone attending Croker for a concert or match uses their car.

I made this point earlier, but this is not going to be a normal day (or five days). its a full house which only happens probably 3/4 times a year. And discount days when Dublin are playing, as Dubs generally dont clog traffic by driving. So in reality it only probably happens once or twice a year.

As I said earlier, if you want to drive, drive, but knowing what it can get like when people drive from outside Dublin, I think you'd be nuts. It could ruin your whole day.

12-02-2014 12:30PM

bumper234 wrote: »

And for someone living in the vicinity oF Croke park driving home after a day in work, How long do you think it will take them to get home when they have to drive through thousands of people jamming up the roads and constant checkpoints by guards and stewards?

How does Galway city survive 7 days in a row of the races every year when traffic is absolutely mental every day or how did they survive the ocean race where a number of residential areas were totally taken over and cordoned off for two weeks?

Its 5 days, get over it.

Johnny_Fontane · 12-02-2014 12:44PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

How does Galway city survive 7 days in a row of the races every year when traffic is absolutely mental every day or how did they survive the ocean race where a number of residential areas were totally taken over and cordoned off for two weeks?

Its 5 days, get over it.

You're not wrong, but you cant really put the two in the same sentence. 35/40,000 people to an event outside the city, is just a busy city. 80,000 people in a capital city in rush hour, is a different ball game. I mean look at the traffic on busy nights when the O2 is on.

Granted traffic is down for the summer, but fri/mon/tues traffic will be bedlam. I think they will definitely put some thing special in place for this traffic wise.

wedger · 12-02-2014 12:44PM

Sure your right about Galway they put up with it for 7 days a year and as for these people in Cork who are disrupted by flooding sure theyre worse than those at Croke Park. Sure the flooding only comes for a day or two and might not even come back next year. Suck it up and get on with it...

Look pal a few days is fine... but 8 concerts 1 American football match and up to 40 GAA events in a year causes serious disruption. I can put up with the most of it but when it involves me having to take annual leave from work just to get home with my son... then thats taking the piss.

12-02-2014 12:54PM

wedger wrote: »

Look pal a few days is fine... but 8 concerts 1 American football match and up to 40 GAA events in a year causes serious disruption. I can put up with the most of it but when it involves me having to take annual leave from work just to get home with my son... then thats taking the piss.

8 concerts, 1 american football match and at most 10 GAA events that will bring a considerable crowd all of which are on weekends so in reality 4 of all the events in Croke park are on weekdays in the whole year. You are living in the capital city beside one of the biggest grounds in Europe what do you expect?

Should one of our greatest assets not be used to its full potential?

There are grounds in the UK that have crowds of 40 to 50k almost every single week? How do these people survive?

ronjo · 12-02-2014 12:58PM

wedger wrote: »

@Bumper... I live inside the cordon area and I know that when Im finsihed work go collect my little fella and head hope I will have a snow balls chance in hell of getting any where near my home.

In fact I'll have to use my annual leave to ensure that I get home in time with my car and the bits and pieces I need for my son. Public transport is an absolute no go. The busses will be jammers and It will take two different journeys to get to the top of clonliffe road. The evening rush hour traffic on Fri Mon and Tues combined with concert traffic will be catastrophic to DCC traffic management.

Dorset St-Drumcondra road are are main traffic artery out of the city for commuters on the North side. They cant open the port tunnell for free as the flow of traffic would be to great against health and safety plus the back log would stretch all the way up the quays.

These extra evenings will cause mayhem in the area to commuters residents and businesses......

Unfortunately you are wasting your time writing this here.
At best, they dont give a flying f*ck about you.
At worse, they enjoy the hassle it causes you.

Johnny_Fontane · 12-02-2014 01:12PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

8 concerts, 1 american football match and at most 10 GAA events that will bring a considerable crowd all of which are on weekends so in reality 4 of all the events in Croke park are on weekdays in the whole year. You are living in the capital city beside one of the biggest grounds in Europe what do you expect?

Should one of our greatest assets not be used to its full potential?

There are grounds in the UK that have crowds of 40 to 50k almost every single week? How do these people survive?

again, I agree. As a resident, I have no major problem with it, but you cant put the galway races and this event in the same ballpark. Of course we should use Croker for its full potential and they are certainly doing it.

I'm just saying anyone driving to these events on fri/mon/tues is mad.
People have no problem with the day to day of croker on a saturday/sunday, but friday/mon/tues is going to be a big problem for some residents and they will just have to deal with it.

you shoving this down peoples throats doesnt help, give people the right to be upset at things, that what free speech is for.

Tokyo · 12-02-2014 01:12PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

How does Galway city survive 7 days in a row of the races every year when traffic is absolutely mental every day or how did they survive the ocean race where a number of residential areas were totally taken over and cordoned off for two weeks?

Its 5 days, get over it.

That'd be the Ballybrit Racecourse that's just off the N6 dual carriageway, 6km from the residential city centre, and other than the Parkmore Industrial area (which is shut down on race week), is surrounded by green fields instead of houses? The one where they set up lane filtering for a few miles in each direction so that the impact on traffic is minimised?

That Ballybrit racecourse?

Yep, easy to see how it could be compared to the Croke Park venue alright....

12-02-2014 01:20PM

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

you shoving this down peoples throats doesnt help, give people the right to be upset at things, that what free speech is for.

They have of course got the right to complain but at the same time they have to realise its just part and parcel of where they live.

I complain about loads of things but I realise a lot of the things are not going to change for one reason or another.

mike_ie wrote: »

That'd be the Ballybrit Racecourse that's just off the N6 dual carriageway, 6km from the residential city centre, and other than the Parkmore Industrial area (which is shut down on race week), is surrounded by green fields instead of houses? The one where they set up lane filtering for a few miles in each direction so that the impact on traffic is minimised?

That Ballybrit racecourse?

Yep, easy to see how it could be compared to the Croke Park venue alright....

Yes because everyone magically gets from the city centre and all surrounding area to the racecourse and back into the city or home without needing to use the roads :rolleyes:

The entire city centre is more or less at a standstill for the hours before and after the races with people travelling to and from the city. This effects people living all around the city and in the city centre. I know as I go to the races 7 days almost every year and go out in town after most of the days

Yes people complain about it but it falls on deaf ears as the races is far too important to the city.

anncoates · 12-02-2014 01:27PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

There are grounds in the UK that have crowds of 40 to 50k almost every single week? How do these people survive?

I think some of the 8 or 9 grounds (Wembley, OT, Ethiad, Emirates etc) of that capacity in England are more purpose built than Croker and not in really dense residential areas although I think Anfield and Goodison Park are. City and Arsenal got out of Maine Rioad and Highbury so they could play in expanded stadiums not constricted by residential areas (something Liverpool want to do), something the GAA and FAI/IRFU should have done.

I'd also would hazard a guess that the car traffic is a lot less for those match day crowds (with the exception of Wembley) as matchgoers are more likely to be from the same city and the public transport systems and parking facilities are better.

Anyway, even if those places were a massive imposition on the local area, it doesn't means it's OK for Croke Park to be?

Skylinehead · 12-02-2014 01:41PM

anncoates wrote: »

I think some of the 8 or 9 grounds (Wembley, OT, Ethiad, Emirates etc) of that capacity in England are more purpose built than Croker and not in really dense residential areas although I think Anfield and Goodison Park are. City and Arsenal got out of Maine Rioad and Highbury so they could play in expanded stadiums not constricted by residential areas (something Liverpool want to do), something the GAA and FAI/IRFU should have done.

I'd also would hazard a guess that the car traffic is a lot less for those match day crowds (with the exception of Wembley) as matchgoers are more likely to be from the same city and the public transport systems and parking facilities are better.

Anyway, even if those places were a massive imposition on the local area, it doesn't means it's OK for Croke Park to be?

Yeah this is about right. Old Trafford and the Etihad aren't in residential areas, and while the Emirates is, it's much more sensibly planned than the likes of Croke Park. Plus they have the Underground, which takes so much pressure off.

osarusan · 12-02-2014 01:44PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

The entire city centre is more or less at a standstill for the hours before and after the races with people travelling to and from the city. This effects people living all around the city and in the city centre.

...

Yes people complain about it but it falls on deaf ears as the races is far too important to the city.

So, based on your experience of an event in Galway which brings the city to a standstill and has people complaining, you will piss in the letterbox of residents near Croke park is the concert doesn't go ahead?

Haven't you been saying all along that there is no merit to their complaints?

Johnny_Fontane · 12-02-2014 01:55PM

Bottom line on all this is, is that we will see what happens at this meeting tonight. I'll write up something afterwards if anything interesting comes out of it.

12-02-2014 02:00PM

osarusan wrote: »

So, based on your experience of an event in Galway which brings the city to a standstill and has people complaining, you will piss in the letterbox of residents near Croke park is the concert doesn't go ahead?

Haven't you been saying all along that there is no merit to their complaints?

I have no problem with the races bringing Galway to a standstill, the races is the best week of the year in Galway and its only a very small (dry) minority who complain.

I just pointing out that here we have an event that goes on for 7 days in a row every year and people who aren't interested just get on with it in general. Also I never mentioned pissing in any letterbox.

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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