Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

EireGun wrote: »

http://www.thestar.ie/star/secret-army-squad-keeps-watch-on-60-al-qaeda-in-ireland-26336/

It's fine for those who don't work in this field to make sweeping statements like that.
That's all I'm saying on this matter.

Sweeping statements? I'm sorry, what of my post do dispute exactly?

brooke 2 wrote: »

It is galling that no one in government is expressing any outrage re the fact that the HQ of the GSOC was bugged. They could have even made a pretence of being concerned.

perhaps they knew about it all along, rehearsed their lines in adavance, spin misinformation like 'blame the GSOC for not informing MOJ', que subservient/spineless media to tow the line, try to make it all go away.

It's hard to expect the government to have huge sympathy for GSOC when they didn't appear to trust the government with the information.

Does the ombudsman know of huge corruption at the highest level in the government and police and if so they have a duty to expose it.

I think the ombudsman has struggled to do its job from the start through incompetence and has had many high profile failures in court, this has created a desire to get convictions in every case even where in normal cases the DPP would never run with it. They seem to have people at the top who have adopted a certain line and now cannot back down!

Anyone else notice that the broadsheet media, who would usually speculate as to the perpetrators in a story like this, have consistently not been doing so? Few heads I know who work in PR and Communications tell me that that usually means they have a good or solid idea who did it, but can't say or say without getting sued.

I think the most sensible money is on the Gardai being behind it, though of course nothing is proven yet. But means, motive and opportunity are strongest amongst them, not to mention the reluctance to go to Shatter, who's pretty close to the Commissioner by most accounts.

Edit: I still can't believe how small a story this is being treated as. There's a very real chance that people within the Gardai Siochana have been spying on their own Ombudsman.

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Unidentified source wrote:

"State level technology"

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Yes yes, everything else was true, but sure, that's not - even though no one involved has even vaguely denied it.

But sure.

What's the 'everything else'? We have no specific information at all except that 3 'anomalies' were found. Everything else is based on the unidentified source.

The GSOC have said there is 'no evidence of garda misconduct', so who does that leave in the frame?

While most of us agree and are confident that only one of 2 agencies in this state have the capacity to carry out covert surveillance on the GSOC (Gardaí and Military) we should in all fairness look for the facts in this situation and act like the Gardai/Police should and would by firstly looking to who had motive to carry out this scary act on the Garda watchdog:
1st obviously the Gardai have the motive to carry out an operation such as this they have the tools and the reasons to do so, since the setting up of the GSOC this organisation has been met with nothing but aggression and contempt by the Gardai with refusing access to its PULSE system, constant non co-operation with investigations and a frosty relationship with the force as a whole.
The Gardai are not above the law and as such Michael Mcdowell after the shambles that was Donegal brought in the GSOC in order to have an impartial approach to investigating the Gardai as is also the case in most countries around the world with the old system of Gardai investigating Gardai a joke! The Gardai simply don’t like the idea of someone looking over their shoulder and spot checking their work, they don’t like impartial investigations, the mere idea that there is an ombudsman offends them but in saying they would not be set up if there was no need for them.
So why spy on the GSOC simple so they can have a head start in any potential investigation, so they could sweep any problems under the carpet before investigation and finally they are corrupt plain and as clear as day!

If you want more evidence of Garda Corruption look to the Penalty Point controversy of a few weeks ago, the smithwick inquiry, what’s happening down in Mayo with Shell, harassment of young people, enforcing draconian sheriff laws, collecting illegal and disputable taxes on behalf of the state and the countless posts on boards and other websites about gardai and their actions!
Something really has to Give/Change!.... But don’t worry this is Ireland where no one is ever held accountable and there is no repercussions for anything so expect this to go away in a few days and be confined to history!

legrand wrote: »

Just the way the State (whoever is in power) likes it.

Do you and other accept this we need and deserve better than the same old same old!!!!

We can change this!!!

tayto lover wrote: »

The point everyone seems to be missing is the reason why the GSOC called in this security firm to sweep their offices in the first place.

They said that they were worried by matters becoming public knowledge and couldn't understand why this was happening.

It would not be in the interest of the Garda to make public the cases which were being investigated by the GSOC. In fact the opposite would make more sense.

Now then, who would benefit by bugging this office if not the Garda?
Who makes money out of these stories?

Think outside the box lads.

It would however make sense for the Gardai to have a head start in any potential investigation