Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

Xavi6 · 10-02-2014 11:36PM

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

What a great idea. 5 more nights of Garth Brooks at the Aviva.

Promotors are probably looking into it.

Im up for it.

Very considerate of you to suggest that.

HardLuckWoman wrote: »

They're gonna consult the residents for a sixth gig.

Woo hoo

*If* the gigs are canned, can you make sure to post your initial reaction here? While it's still fresh like.

It would be day brightening stuff I imagine

weldoninhio · 10-02-2014 11:38PM

Smidge wrote: »

Okay then, lets see if we can clarify on this then.

Allowed 3 non-sporting events with applying for permission.
That will be the 3 One Direction concert.

3 Garth Brooks concerts organised and sold
Permission was granted.

Two additional Garth Brooks concerts sold.
APPLICATION for approval has NOT been granted.

Therefore it most certainly not a sure thing.
Not by a long chalk.

They are allowed 3 (1D i'd imagine) without applying for permission. As far as I can see all 5 Brooks concerts are subject to license. Which I can't see them having any problem getting.

Perhaps i'm a bit slow, but could you please explain your bolded bit?? Their application has not been granted?? I doubt they've applied at all. They only need to do so 10 weeks beforehand.

smileyj1987 · 10-02-2014 11:39PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

*If* the gigs are canned, can you make sure to post your initial reaction here? While it's still fresh like.

It would be day brightening stuff I imagine

She can use her refund to buy the boxset of 97 and have a good cry and midlife crisis in her home .

Stheno · 10-02-2014 11:39PM

As someone who once lived near the RDS I can empathise with the residents.

Is it normal for Aiken to actually meet with them beforehand as they are doing in this case?

Smidge · 10-02-2014 11:41PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

*If* the gigs are canned, can you make sure to post your initial reaction here? While it's still fresh like.

It would be day brightening stuff I imagine

And if a 6th gig is added, I can also see the positive in that.

It would be kind of like a boot camp For Mr Brooks that he is getting paid €26 mill in order to jiggle off a fair amount of excess retention of "Grits and Hogs Feet"

weldoninhio · 10-02-2014 11:43PM

I actually might book the day off work when the licenses are granted. You'll be able to power the country with the sense of outrage from the residents as they realise that their opinion counts for the square root of 0 when it comes to what happens in Croker.

:D:D

Smidge · 10-02-2014 11:46PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

They are allowed 3 (1D i'd imagine) without applying for permission. As far as I can see all 5 Brooks concerts are subject to license. Which I can't see them having any problem getting.

Perhaps i'm a bit slow, but could you please explain your bolded bit?? Their application has not been granted?? I doubt they've applied at all. They only need to do so 10 weeks beforehand.

So what you are telling us is that approval for NONE of his gigs have been granted?

The paragraph below is taken from an article from the IT.
Promoters can change their minds and reel things in when it gets "difficult".
The don't like to dirty their bib too much either for future applications, regardless of whether its Garth Brooks or not.
The promoter below was MCD.

While the original Marlay Park license application was for nine shows between June and August, this was revised by the promoters on May 1 and a licence sought for four specified dates in August.

weldoninhio · 10-02-2014 11:54PM

Smidge wrote: »

So what you are telling us is that approval for NONE of his gigs have been granted?

The paragraph below is taken from an article from the IT.
Promoters can change their minds and reel things in when it gets "difficult".
The don't like to dirty their bib too much either for future applications, regardless of whether its Garth Brooks or not.
The promoter below was MCD.

While the original Marlay Park license application was for nine shows between June and August, this was revised by the promoters on May 1 and a licence sought for four specified dates in August.

I don't recall any gigs in Marlay Park being cancelled? MCD obviously went for permission before they booked anyone. So its a completely different scenario. I'd imagine Aitken did their homework before putting millions/and their reputation on the line.

11-02-2014 12:02AM

ProfessorPlum wrote: »

Seriously, do you even know what a young child is? They don't tend to sleep in just because it's the weekend.

If they are tired they will sleep, if there are not there was no problem with the concert taking place.

bumper234 wrote: »

Have you ever been to croke park? Have you ever attended a concert there? Do you have ANY idea what 80,000 people singing along to a musician sounds like? Do you think young child would just shrug that off and sleep through it?

I'm in croke park a few times a year for matches.

Considering a croke park area resident stated a few pages back that his children have no problem sleeping then yes I believe a child would sleep.

John_Rambo wrote: »

I fixed that there for you. Was it you crying for compo for taxi drivers too?

Turf isn't free and comparing a vital resource to the petty whining of people about a few concerts taking place shows you haven't a clue.

John_Rambo · 11-02-2014 12:05AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Turf isn't free

It is if you own a bog or have turbary rights, check your law books.

end of the road · 11-02-2014 12:07AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

I fixed that there for you. Was it you crying for compo for taxi drivers too?

whats that got to do with this topic? but for the record i was supporting those who came into the taxi industry before de-regulation who were looking for some of their money back because of the shambolic way in which the taxi industry has been handled over the years going from extreme regulation to extreme de-regulation

11-02-2014 12:08AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

It is if you own a bog or have turbary rights, check your law books.

I know exactly how it works we have two bogs. It doesn't cut itself you know, it involves paying a contractor to do it.

Smidge · 11-02-2014 12:11AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I don't recall any gigs in Marlay Park being cancelled? MCD obviously went for permission before they booked anyone. So its a completely different scenario. I'd imagine Aitken did their homework before putting millions/and their reputation on the line.

But it does show that promoters can change their mind and "reassess" the situation.
Aiken could quite easily say that the permission for the final 2 gigs has not been granted and give a refund to the customers.
I could see them thinking about the "long game".

For example, if they really push these 2 extra dates for Garth Brooks, then that's 8 concerts in total at CP in comparison to the 3 at Aviva.

Pushing the five GB concerts may very well be the straw that break the residents backs.
The 5 Garth Brooks gigs may well go ahead this year if Aiken are foolish but the residents may very well be prepared for future concerts.
This could be the residents "Golden Ticket" to bring proceedings for limitations of FUTURE events to be held at CP.

So the question really is this........
Will Aiken be prepared to risk the already over average(in comparison to Aviva)concerts that are being held in CP at the risk of being confined to a 3 gig MAX in the future?

John_Rambo · 11-02-2014 12:11AM

end of the road wrote: »

whats that got to do with this topic?

Well you keep referring to the community around Croker as ambulance chasers because they want the GAA to stick to what they agreed. That's unfair and quiet mean spirited, you're showing a nasty streak and an inability to debate without name calling.

I thought it was a bit two face too as you wanted compensation for other members of society, yet you resort to name calling when it doesn't suit you.

The community hasn't actually asked for compo (like you did) as far as I'm aware.

John_Rambo · 11-02-2014 12:13AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

I know exactly how it works we have two bogs. It doesn't cut itself you know, it involves paying a contractor to do it.

Ah, if you're unable to cut your own bog for whatever reason, inability, overweight (like poor Garth), too busy :rolleyes: etc... you may have to call in some skill and muscle. I have worked the bog with family. Hard work, but very rewarding. You should try it, you could listen to your Garth Brooks cassette tapes.

weldoninhio · 11-02-2014 12:15AM

Smidge wrote: »

But it does show that promoters can change their mind and "reassess" the situation.
Aiken could quite easily say that the permission for the final 2 gigs has not been granted and give a refund to the customers.
I could see them thinking about the "long game".

For example, if they really push these 2 extra dates for Garth Brooks, then that's 8 concerts in total at CP in comparison to the 3 at Aviva.

Pushing the five GB concerts may very well be the straw that break the residents backs.
The 5 Garth Brooks gigs may well go ahead this year if Aiken are foolish but the residents may very well be prepared for future concerts.
This could be the residents "Golden Ticket" to bring proceedings for limitations of FUTURE events to be held at CP.

So the question really is this........
Will Aiken be prepared to risk the already over average(in comparison to Aviva)concerts that are being held in CP at the risk of being confined to a 3 gig MAX in the future?

But the residents will have zero say in these concerts, or any future concerts. The promoter will bring an application to a judge, the judge will consider the application. The judge will either grant the license or not. He may attach conditions to the license, but once these are adhered to, then if the same license application came to him the following year i'm sure he'd give it the go ahead again.

11-02-2014 12:25AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

Ah, if you're unable to cut your own bog for whatever reason, inability, overweight (like poor Garth), too busy :rolleyes: etc... you may have to call in some skill and muscle. I have worked the bog with family. Hard work, but very rewarding. You should try it, you could listen to your Garth Brooks cassette tapes.

You haven't a clue and it's showing. Tell me how did you cut the turf yourself?

Smidge · 11-02-2014 12:28AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

But the residents will have zero say in these concerts, or any future concerts. The promoter will bring an application to a judge, the judge will consider the application. The judge will either grant the license or not. He may attach conditions to the license, but once these are adhered to, then if the same license application came to him the following year i'm sure he'd give it the go ahead again.

So what you are saying is that of say, a petition of 5000 objectors(could very well be a lot more if the ball got rolling) was handed in at the time of application, the judge is not duly bound to consider this?

It would be very presumptuous to think that it could NEVER be changed, maybe not now, although it could be a possibility.
But things can certainly change in the future

ProfessorPlum · 11-02-2014 12:29AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

But the residents will have zero say in these concerts, or any future concerts. The promoter will bring an application to a judge, the judge will consider the application. The judge will either grant the license or not. He may attach conditions to the license, but once these are adhered to, then if the same license application came to him the following year i'm sure he'd give it the go ahead again.

Em, I think you might be wrong there. Judges don't grant concert licenses, councils do. And they do review submissions from various interested parties when deciding weather to grant.
I'm sure the councillors will be aware that the local elections are coming up shortly when making their decision.

John_Rambo · 11-02-2014 12:30AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Tell me how did you cut the turf yourself?

I delegated and directed my country cousins. Speeded up the whole operation! They were very slow, more interested in drinking tea and listening to Garth Brooks on their radios than being productive. They needed some lessons in working hard from me. I cleaned things up and they are forever grateful to me.

To answer your question? By hand, the old fashioned way.

11-02-2014 12:39AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

To answer your question? By hand, the old fashioned way.

Cutting turf by hand is akin to ploughing with a horse or or making cocks of hay i.e. Something for the local vintage show. There is nobody cutting a viable amount of turf by hand in this day and age.

So back to my point, turf isn't free you have to pay a contractor with an track machine and a hopper to cut it.

John_Rambo · 11-02-2014 12:45AM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

turf isn't free you have to pay a contractor with an track machine and a hopper to cut it.

It is free. If you need to pay someone to prepare, dry and deliver it that's you choice. Can't believe you haven't cut turf by hand. Call yourself a country lad? You should be ashamed if yourself, you should hide your head in those soft hands of yours and give your Garth brooks tickets to Hard Luck Woman. You don't deserve them. She could be Good Luck Woman.

Stheno · 11-02-2014 12:47AM

John_Rambo wrote: »

It is free. If you need to pay someone to prepare, dry and deliver it that's you choice. Can't believe you haven't cut turf by hand. Call yourself a country lad? You should be ashamed if yourself, you should hide your head in those soft hands of yours and give your Garth brooks tickets to Hard Luck Woman. You don't deserve them. She could be Good Luck Woman.

I was cutting turf when I was ten.

Hardluckwoman is that name for a reason you know, she is never happy, her glass is always half empty, two nights at a gig I'd love to go to but couldn't get tickets and still she moans.

I do think it's a lot of disruption for residents, but also commuters like me who go through Drumcondra every day

JRant · 11-02-2014 12:54AM

Judging by some folks reaction to the possibilty of the 2 extra gigs being cancelled there may be a few committing hari-kari to a Garth Brooks medley if they were actually cancelled.

Smidge · 11-02-2014 12:59AM

JRant wrote: »

Judging by some folks reaction to the possibilty of the 2 extra gigs being cancelled there may be a few committing hari-kari to a Garth Brooks medley if they were actually cancelled.

They won't even need an implement, the medley alone should do the trick. :pac:

Gran Hermano · 11-02-2014 01:01AM

Hell hath no fury like a menopausal Garth fan scorned :-)

They'll have to call in the riot squad to deploy HRT gas grenades when they cancel.

Smidge · 11-02-2014 01:07AM

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Hell hath no fury like a menopausal Garth fan scorned :-)

They'll have to call in the riot squad to deploy HRT gas grenades when they cancel.

And that's just the men :eek::eek:

osarusan · 11-02-2014 02:50AM

I would truly love to see the extra concerts not get approval, just to read the reactions from some of the posters on here, whose posts so far have been so obnoxious.

Jamsiek · 11-02-2014 05:36AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I'm looking forward to it.

No accounting for taste I suppose

Ruu · 11-02-2014 06:26AM

A lot of people getting their knickers in a twist, settle down. I don't want to have to reach in for a yellow/red card!

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