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The Origin of Specious Nonsense. Twelve years on. Still going. Answer soon.

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  • #962
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Kim is a form of Secular 'god'.

    you realise you've just suggested that a god is a megalomaniac tyrant.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #963
    PopePalpatine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    There's nothing secular about the Kim dynasty!

    This is what the Oxford English Dictionary defines "secular" as:
    Not connected with religious or spiritual matters.

    It's high time Boards stopped J C's drivel from wasting server space.


  • #964
    oscarBravo
    Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 28,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭oscarBravo


    J C wrote: »
    The answer is here:-
    http://www.biblegateway.com/resources/all-women-bible/Cain-8217-s-Wife
    So the answer is that incest was morally right until God suddenly changed his mind and made it morally wrong.

    How does it not embarrass you that the answer to every difficult question you're asked is a literal deus ex machina?


  • #965
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    you realise you've just suggested that a god is a megalomaniac tyrant.
    ... a god with a small 'g' !!!:)


  • #966
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    J C wrote: »
    Kim is a form of Secular 'god'.

    Seeing as he IS the state, he can hardly be secular, now can he?

    Last week you were claiming to be secular, but it's clear you don't know what the word means. And you've no intention of finding out, either.

    Imagine. That "god-given" brain of yours. And mostly unused. That's a terrible sin.


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  • #967
    obplayer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭obplayer


    J C wrote: »
    I respectfully suggest that you read 2 Peter 3.

    Quoting from a book which is 50% fairy tale and 50% barbarian history proves nothing. Nor does your tedious and derisory sermonising. This is supposed to be a debate using reason and sensible argument, if you are not capable of that, and the evidence strongly suggests you are not, then do yourself a favour and stop making a complete fool of yourself. Go to your shrine and cast a few magic spells or something.


  • #968
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    ... a god with a small 'g' !!!:)

    so what? God is a god. You just suggested God (who happens to be a god) is a megalomaniac tyrant.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #969
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    There's nothing secular about the Kim dynasty!

    This is what the Oxford English Dictionary defines "secular" as:


    It's high time Boards stopped J C's drivel from wasting server space.
    North Korea is a Secular State in which the expression of all religion is banned ... and now you appear to be calling on the Boards to 'follow suit' and ban me for expressing my faith.


  • #970
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    North Korea is a Secular State in which the expression of all religion is banned ... and now you appear to be calling on the Boards to 'follow suit' and ban me for expressing my faith.

    Didn't realise you were in favour of banning religious expression, seeing as you are on record claiming to be a secularist.

    The problem for you now is that one of the two things mentioned above must be false. Have fun in the quicksand :P

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #971
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Seeing as he IS the state, he can hardly be secular, now can he?

    Last week you were claiming to be secular, but it's clear you don't know what the word means. And you've no intention of finding out, either.

    Imagine. That "god-given" brain of yours. And mostly unused. That's a terrible sin.
    ... the most extreme form of illiberal secularism is a totalitarian state ... and the most extreme form of totalitarian state is one led by a megalomaniac dynasty.


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  • #972
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    ... the most extreme form of illiberal secularism is a totalitarian state ... and the most extreme form of totalitarian state is one led by a megalomaniac dynasty.

    Seriously, can a mod or an admin request JC stops bolding words in every sentence its getting to a stage where his posts are physically hurt my eyes. I have asked him nicely before and he did cut down but he seems to be slipping back into his old ways again.


  • #973
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    Didn't realise you were in favour of banning religious expression, seeing as you are on record claiming to be a secularist.

    The problem for you now is that one of the two things mentioned above must be false. Have fun in the quicksand :P
    I'm a Liberal Secularist ... and I believe that the expression of all religions and none should be respected by the state.


  • #974
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    PopePalpatine wrote: »
    INAPPROPRIATE PROSE DELETED
    None of that, please. Or cards will be ladled out with a ferocity that would leave even the biggest deities of the Old Testament shivering in their brutal, blood-stained sandals.


  • #975
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    I'm a Liberal Secularist ... and I believe that the expression of all religions and none should be respected by the state.

    but you just said a secularist state bans religious expression. If you're a secularist then you must support such a ban by your own definition.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #976
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Seriously, can a mod or an admin request JC stops bolding words in every sentence its getting to a stage where his posts are physically hurt my eyes. I have asked him nicely before and he did cut down but he seems to be slipping back into his old ways again.
    I'll try to stop embolding ... but I somehow doubt that it's my emphasis that is causing you such grief.;)


  • #977
    Gordon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,522 ✭✭✭✭Gordon


    2 Peter 3: "the christian god will come back, could take thousands and thousands of years, but I promise he'll come back, just trust me on this."


  • #978
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    but you just said a secularist state bans religious expression. If you're a secularist then you must support such a ban by your own definition.
    ... only illiberal totalitarian secular states ban religious expression.
    Liberal secular states have the potential to be amongst the most tolerant of states.


  • #979
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    I'll try to stop embolding ... but I somehow doubt that it's my emphasis that is causing you such grief.;)

    No it's definitely your random bolding of words. If it helps I'll put it to you this way. You are causing me physical pain and you are doing it on purpose. Surely causing another human being physical pain for no reason other than your own pleasure is a sin? Why do you continue to sin and torture me?


  • #980
    bumper234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,250 ✭✭✭✭bumper234


    J C wrote: »
    ... only illiberal totalitarian secular states ban religious expression.
    Liberal secular states have the potential to be amongst the most tolerant of states.

    Oh sweet baby whathisface :rolleyes:


  • #981
    robindch
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,458 Mod ✭✭✭✭robindch


    J C wrote: »
    I'll try to stop embolding ... but I somehow doubt that it's my emphasis that is causing you such grief.;)
    Well, randomly bolding random bits and pieces of your posts make them look like they have the pox -- your call on whether that's the effect you wish to achieve.

    Doubly so for inappropriate smilies.


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  • #982
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    ... only illiberal totalitarian secular states ban religious expression.
    Liberal secular states have the potential to be amongst the most tolerant of states.

    so much wrong:pac: Please, JC, put down the shovel :P
    A secular state is a concept of secularism, whereby a state or country purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion

    Ergo, a secular state cannot ban religious expression. Do take a minute to absorb this data (again. Like really try to let it sink in.) before posting more specious nonsense.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #983
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    bumper234 wrote: »
    No it's definitely your random bolding of words. If it helps I'll put it to you this way. You are causing me physical pain and you are doing it on purpose. Surely causing another human being physical pain for no reason other than your own pleasure is a sin? Why do you continue to sin and torture me?
    My embolding is deliberate emphasis (nothing else) ... but if it's causing you physical pain I'll try to remember to not do so.


  • #984
    Pherekydes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,247 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    J C wrote: »
    I'm a Liberal Secularist ... and I believe that the expression of all religions and none should be respected by the state.

    You've just shown that you don't know the meaning of secular.

    To wit:
    J C wrote: »
    North Korea is a Secular State in which the expression of all religion is banned ... and now you appear to be calling on the Boards to 'follow suit' and ban me for expressing my faith.

    Seeing how much you proselytize, you aren't liberal, either.


  • #985
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    quote:-
    A secular state is a concept of secularism, whereby a state or country purports to be officially neutral in matters of religion, supporting neither religion nor irreligion

    Ergo, a secular state cannot ban religious expression. Do take a minute to absorb this data (again. Like really try to let it sink in.) before posting more specious nonsense.
    ... so religion can be expressed in school ... and in public ... and in private (where children are concerned) in a Liberal Secular State ... just like I have always said.


  • #986
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    ... so religion can be expressed in school ... and in public ... and in private (where children are concerned) in a Liberal Secular State ... just like I have always said.

    Nope. You want religious creation stories made part of the science lesson. This is totally against the spirit of a secular state. So not at all like you said.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #987
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    Pherekydes wrote: »
    Seeing how much you proselytize, you aren't liberal, either.
    Liberals (of all kinds) proselytize their liberalism all over the place ... and if they are true liberals they tolerate the proselytizing of other liberals ... even ones with whom they disagree.


  • #988
    J C
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,615 ✭✭✭✭J C


    SW wrote: »
    Nope. You want religious creation stories made part of the science lesson. This is totally against the spirit of a secular state. So not at all like you said.
    Religion can either be allowed to be expressed or not.

    You say not ... so you are illiberal and intolerant towards those with whom you disagree.

    I am a liberal ... and I support the free expression of all religions and none.


  • #989
    Absolam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    There's a bit of a leap from allowing religion to be expressed, and teaching religious beliefs as science. A leap that might be a little too much for a secular state or education system. Even a liberal one.


  • #990
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,035 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    J C wrote: »
    Religion can either be allowed to be expressed or not.
    Good to see you agree that creationism is religion.
    You say not ... so you are illiberal and intolerant towards those with whom you disagree.
    Incorrect. I said that religion shouldn't be taught in the science class. It's disappointing that a self-professed scientist disagrees with that. Worse yet, one that claims to be a secularist.
    I am a liberal ... and I support the free expression of all religions and none.
    What has that to do with teaching science?

    If you can read this, you're too close!



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  • #991
    gaynorvader
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭gaynorvader


    J C wrote: »
    {...}

    ... and I have no problem discussing Darwin 'keeping it in the family' by marrying his first cousin.:)

    This is literally the definition of an ad hominem attack. You constantly bleat about being the subject of them, yet don't hesitate to use them yourself. :rolleyes:


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