Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

Uriel. · 10-02-2014 08:31PM

Kaizersoze81 wrote: »

The taoiseach quoted a section from the garda siochana act which stated this.

What section?

Kaizersoze81 · 10-02-2014 08:32PM

Uriel. wrote: »

What section?

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/three-anomalies-found-in-offices-garda-ombudsman-1.1686246

“Most importantly Section 80 subsection 5 of the Garda Siochana Act requires that GSOC would report unusual matters or matters of exceptional importance to the Minister for Justice and that’s a fundamental issue that GSOC needs to explain to the Minister for Justice,” he said.

Overheal · 10-02-2014 08:32PM

Learn something new from MIT, they publish virtually all of their course material for free free free

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

No diploma, but knowledge is free.

MadYaker · 10-02-2014 08:33PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I honestly don't believe that the consultancy firm would come out and confirm their involvement in such a way if the original article was full of untruths.

Ditto, I think it was a bit more than some IT student getting into their wifi network just to see if he could. They paid a firm from the UK €18,000 to carry out the survey, I don't think they would do that for any minor security breach.

Id love to see the actual report from the firm and id also love to know what exactly prompted them to get the survey carried out in the first place.

Phoebas · 10-02-2014 08:33PM

My name is URL wrote: »

I honestly don't believe that the consultancy firm would come out and confirm their involvement in such a way if the original article was full of untruths.

All they've really confirmed is that they did some work. Actually I'm surprised that they even went that far.
A security company that starts telling the world about their client's weaknesses (even past ones) would be a pretty crappy security company.

ygolometsipe · 10-02-2014 08:34PM

Overheal wrote: »

Learn something new from MIT, they publish virtually all of their course material for free free free

http://ocw.mit.edu/index.htm

No diploma, but knowledge is free.

How to fill your day when you're unemployed?

ha

Uriel. · 10-02-2014 08:34PM

Kaizersoze81 wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/three-anomalies-found-in-offices-garda-ombudsman-1.1686246

“Most importantly Section 80 subsection 5 of the Garda Siochana Act requires that GSOC would report unusual matters or matters of exceptional importance to the Minister for Justice and that’s a fundamental issue that GSOC needs to explain to the Minister for Justice,” he said.

Did you read the section of the act?

Two very important words used in legislative instruments are "may" and "shall". 80(5) provides for a "may".

downonthefarm · 10-02-2014 08:35PM

Kaizersoze81 wrote: »

And you couldn't type a proper sentence with your two hands.

Sorry I'm driving

who_ru · 10-02-2014 08:36PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

Whatever about not reporting to the police they were duty bound to report it to the government and they did not.

you are incorrect.

jimb43 · 10-02-2014 08:39PM

CJC999 wrote: »

The guards can't investigate it and nor can gsoc so who will investigate it? I'd say it's a crock of ****.

gards carnt investigate who got outa the paper bag / or how, never mind that kind of "big brother tactic ! . More like OBAMA keeping an eye on his great great great relatives in money gall. and if he finds anything he sell it to garda, anyway to make a fast buck.

MadYaker · 10-02-2014 08:40PM

who_ru wrote: »

you are incorrect.

I know this is AH but for the sake of discussion could you please add why you think he is wrong? With links to back yourself up would be nice too.

Uriel. · 10-02-2014 08:42PM

MadYaker wrote: »

I know this is AH but for the sake of discussion could you please add why you think he is wrong? With links to back yourself up would be nice too.

There's no legal obligation under the act.

tayto lover · 10-02-2014 08:43PM

jimb43 wrote: »

gards carnt investigate who got outa the paper bag / or how, never mind that kind of "big brother tactic ! . More like OBAMA keeping an eye on his great great great relatives in money gall. and if he finds anything he sell it to garda, anyway to make a fast buck.

If you were working in the Ombudsman's office nobody could decipher what you were saying.
What are you trying to say?

Shady Tady · 10-02-2014 08:47PM

a GSOC employee could have planted the devices and suggested they had got information to say that there were bugging devices in the buildings. The follow up search makes them look the business. The Garda did this in Donegal with explosives to boost their promotion hopes. This has too be cleared up as everyone from GSOC, Garda, Journalists and Government are suspects and any wild idea like mine can be thrown about.

Shady Tady · 10-02-2014 08:48PM

jimb43 wrote: »

gards carnt investigate who got outa the paper bag / or how, never mind that kind of "big brother tactic ! . More like OBAMA keeping an eye on his great great great relatives in money gall. and if he finds anything he sell it to garda, anyway to make a fast buck.

bit early t be on the sauce!!

Phoebas · 10-02-2014 08:48PM

tayto lover wrote: »

If you were working in the Ombudsman's office nobody could decipher what you were saying.
What are you trying to say?

His encryption algorithm is more complex than the one they use at the GSOC.

My name is URL · 10-02-2014 08:50PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Id love to see the actual report from the firm and id also love to know what exactly prompted them to get the survey carried out in the first place.

It was suggested yesterday that they were concerned about the number of their cases which were becoming public knowledge.

The Irish Times understands the three-person commission had always intended to conduct the same security sweep as its predecessors and in the second half of last year decided to act on that intention.

It is unclear what led to that action, though sources have suggested some senior staff in GSOC viewed with suspicion the level of detail that was emerging publicly about some of its ongoing cases.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bugging-found-at-offices-of-garda-complaints-watchdog-1.1685345

CZ 453 · 10-02-2014 08:54PM

This may be a bit of a conspiracy theory but didn't the GSOC have a lot of coverage over not being able to independently access the Garda pulse system. Maybe this is a ploy to get them more power. The type of power that internal affairs have in America.

EireGun · 10-02-2014 09:10PM

Why does everyone keep suggesting this was carried out by an individual within GSOC, a bunch of corrupt Gardai or a "hacker"? The reports clearly states that "government-level technology" was used, and suggests that the hacking was done from the outside in rather than bugs being physically planted.

On radio this morning, John Mooney from the Sunday Times, who broke the story, said that a fake 3G network was established surrounding the building so that mobile phones could be listen in on. The equipment used to carry that out is not commercially available, its produced by defence companies with permits to sell to governments, police and military only. It can cost upwards of €500,000. Individuals my arse.

knird evol · 10-02-2014 09:12PM

shezer wrote: »

This may be a bit of a conspiracy theory but didn't the GSOC have a lot of coverage over not being able to independently access the Garda pulse system. Maybe this is a ploy to get them more power. The type of power that internal affairs have in America.

Their bigger gripe was that documents weren't being disclosed to them. They said they were waiting three years for stuff in the case about the drug dealer, off the books informer. And then didn't get all the stuff they wanted.

Well they're likely to get new powers now. They will probably be able to march in and take documents, computers, everything.

This will probably work out very well for them.

mikom · 10-02-2014 09:16PM

Phoebas wrote: »

I wouldn't at all be surprised if this is explained away as some low level common or garden hacking that wasn't serious enough to report up the line, that was just misunderstood by the leaker as something much greater.
(they would have to publish the security report for people to accept that explanation 'though).

Then........

EireGun wrote: »

Why does everyone keep suggesting this was carried out by an individual within GSOC, a bunch of corrupt Gardai or a "hacker"? The reports clearly states that "government-level technology" was used, and suggests that the hacking was done from the outside in rather than bugs being physically planted.

On radio this morning, John Mooney from the Sunday Times, who broke the story, said that a fake 3G network was established surrounding the building so that mobile phones could be listen in on. The equipment used to carry that out is not commercially available, its produced by defence companies with permits to sell to governments, police and military only. It can cost upwards of €500,000. Individuals my arse.

€500,000, Pfttt, common or garden hacking...........

Phoebas · 10-02-2014 09:17PM

EireGun wrote: »

Why does everyone keep suggesting this was carried out by an individual within GSOC, a bunch of corrupt Gardai or a "hacker"? The reports clearly states that "government-level technology" was used, and suggests that the hacking was done from the outside in rather than bugs being physically planted.

On radio this morning, John Mooney from the Sunday Times, who broke the story, said that a fake 3G network was established surrounding the building so that mobile phones could be listen in on. The equipment used to carry that out is not commercially available, its produced by defence companies with permits to sell to governments, police and military only. It can cost upwards of €500,000. Individuals my arse.

The report cites an unidentified 'source'. We can hardly take it as gospel.

Santa Cruz · 10-02-2014 09:19PM

jimb43 wrote: »

gards carnt investigate who got outa the paper bag / or how, never mind that kind of "big brother tactic ! . More like OBAMA keeping an eye on his great great great relatives in money gall. and if he finds anything he sell it to garda, anyway to make a fast buck.

"gards carnt investigate" That's right Mr. know all. The prisons of this country are overflowing with gob****es who thought that.

p.s. Have you heard of spell check?

dxhound2005 · 10-02-2014 09:19PM

EireGun wrote: »

Why does everyone keep suggesting this was carried out by an individual within GSOC, a bunch of corrupt Gardai or a "hacker"? The reports clearly states that "government-level technology" was used, and suggests that the hacking was done from the outside in rather than bugs being physically planted.

On radio this morning, John Mooney from the Sunday Times, who broke the story, said that a fake 3G network was established surrounding the building so that mobile phones could be listen in on. The equipment used to carry that out is not commercially available, its produced by defence companies with permits to sell to governments, police and military only. It can cost upwards of €500,000. Individuals my arse.

You could have concluded your brilliant thesis by telling us who did it.

tomwaterford · 10-02-2014 09:23PM

Shady Tady wrote: »

a GSOC employee could have planted the devices and suggested they had got information to say that there were bugging devices in the buildings. The follow up search makes them look the business. The Garda did this in Donegal with explosives to boost their promotion hopes. This has too be cleared up as everyone from GSOC, Garda, Journalists and Government are suspects and any wild idea like mine can be thrown about.

I taught GSOC staff are appointed and their is no promotion and cant be sacked

Hootanany wrote: »

I hope this pathetic Government collapse's after this one roll on the Election.

That's the worse part of the story - no one anyway suitable to replace this government:mad::mad:
best of a very poor lot
any normal country there would be at least some effort to track down the buggers not blame the person who is bugged for not reporting it to authorities it has issues with

Surly someone knows something...still cant think of anyone else who would be likely to bug the GSOC...

tomwaterford · 10-02-2014 09:26PM

Santa Cruz wrote: »

"gards carnt investigate" That's right Mr. know all. The prisons of this country are overflowing with gob****es who thought that.

p.s. Have you heard of spell check?

though if it looks like a duck,walks like a duck, it probably is a ....;)

Fred Swanson · 10-02-2014 09:27PM

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kerry4sam · 10-02-2014 09:31PM

Kaizersoze81 wrote: »

Could be anyone. Journalists/British M15/Garda/Army/disgruntled gsoc employee.

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Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Let's not forget that you don’t show someone that you have broken their ciphers unless you have to!

I would like to know what GSOC did discover during the Security Sweep done by them, but doubt that will be revealed until absolutely no other option.

The investigation was completed on 17 December, 2013 & confirmed the existence of three technical and electronic anomalies. They were very quick to rule out Garda Misconduct though right here and said no further action was necessary or reasonably practicable.

Could be interesting times ahead.

dxhound2005 · 10-02-2014 09:31PM

Two phrases new to me have entered the language. Government level technology and electronic anomoly.

Both sound impressive but neither have been explained.

MadYaker · 10-02-2014 09:39PM

EireGun wrote: »

Why does everyone keep suggesting this was carried out by an individual within GSOC, a bunch of corrupt Gardai or a "hacker"? The reports clearly states that "government-level technology" was used, and suggests that the hacking was done from the outside in rather than bugs being physically planted.

On radio this morning, John Mooney from the Sunday Times, who broke the story, said that a fake 3G network was established surrounding the building so that mobile phones could be listen in on. The equipment used to carry that out is not commercially available, its produced by defence companies with permits to sell to governments, police and military only. It can cost upwards of €500,000. Individuals my arse.

"Government level technology" is a meaningless phrase. Id love to know the source of the information I have highlighted.

I won't hold my breath though....

The government don't really have a motive do they? Corrupt Gardai on the other hand....

Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

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