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Finally I have abandoned Google Gaelic Maps

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  • #122
    TireeTerror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,271 ✭✭✭TireeTerror


    Piliger wrote: »
    Now that I have found a real alternative, http://www.openstreetmap.org/, I have finally abandoned Google Maps totally because I am thoroughly sick to death of the way it's been taken over by the Irish language nationalists.
    http://www.openstreetmap.org/ is way way better, I find, with a lot more local information. Tragic that google will not given us access to an English language version of google maps. English, our language, the one 90% of us speak, and the one our parents and their parents and their parents speak.

    I tried my street, which is in English, its doesnt even have it in any language, in fact when I manually scrolled to my street, it has completely the wrong name. Pile of dung.


  • #123
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    Nimrod 7 wrote: »
    I've never seen a a physical map with street names in Irish and English.
    Odd because I'm a cartographer and I've made such maps. I deal with address databases all the time. I'd say that maybe 10% of people use the Irish version of their address, in Gaeltacht areas it's about 90%. Google are reflecting that Ireland is a bilingual country where Irish and English have equal status. It's not Google's fault!


  • #124
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    TireeTerror wrote: »
    I tried my street, which is in English, its doesnt even have it in any language, in fact when I manually scrolled to my street, it has completely the wrong name. Pile of dung.

    Heh - tried it on my own village when I saw your post. Couldn't find the village - at all - and when I did manually find it, most of the streets aren't labelled.


  • #125
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Odd because I'm a cartographer and I've made such maps.

    Where can I buy these maps?


  • #126
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    psinno wrote: »
    Where can I buy these maps?
    Buy a map of Galway! :cool:


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  • #127
    Herb Powell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,097 ✭✭✭Herb Powell


    Piliger wrote: »
    Don't be so childish. Where has anyone mentioned they are offended ? No one. You just made it up.

    I just want the language of the people of Ireland to be used on Google Maps. Not the ancient language that some nationalists are attached to. The language of the people, 90% of them. I don't want Spanish, French or Mongolian. I don't want Irish. Simple.

    Childish?

    I have not started a thread with inflammatory language about an absolute non-issue. The word "trolling" is as good as useless these days, but.......

    My location is set for Ireland on Google images, and everything is displayed in English. I use it most days of the week.

    As mentioned, it's a free service. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it, and I'm sure there are plenty of guaranteed English-language gps services you could use.

    There is no "Gaelgeoir conspiracy" against people who don't speak Irish.


  • #128
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    Buy a map of Galway! :cool:

    In the unlikely event I buy a map of Galway tomorrow you guarantee it will have all the streets named in both languages on the map? Or my money back.


  • #129
    Cienciano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,139 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    OS maps don't have the Irish name alongside the english names on streets. At least not in the maps I use. No idea why google decided to do it. It's simple, have one or the other linked to the language in your google settings.


  • #130
    Capt'n Midnight
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    ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »
    Where do i report a bug in that OpenStreetMap one?

    Dún Laoghaire still has a fada on it.
    The same way you do on wikipedia


  • #131
    Yellowblackbird
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Yellowblackbird


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Based on the map that somebody linked above... Google seems to make a choice which one to display, seemingly at random. Zoom in close enough, and you get the street name in both languages.

    Only for certain places. There's many estates that you zoom into and every street name in the estate is irish. I come across this regularly. The people posting about this didn't dream it up, or have a collective hallucination. It's a known fault with their map.


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  • #132
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    psinno wrote: »
    In the unlikely event I buy a map of Galway tomorrow you guarantee it will have all the streets named in both languages on the map? Or my money back.
    Yes, some streets are named in Irish, some in English.


  • #133
    GaelMise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭GaelMise


    Yellowblackbird wrote: »
    Only for certain places. There's many estates that you zoom into and every street name in the estate is irish. I come across this regularly. The people posting about this didn't dream it up, or have a collective hallucination. It's a known fault with their map.

    Is it possible that these estates only have an Irish name? There have been quite a number of estates built over the last decade that are only named in Irish.


  • #134
    Sound of Silence
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,192 ✭✭✭Sound of Silence


    The moment I get this frustrated about a minor inconvience in some free service, can someone please start medicating me? Because clearly I'm not fit for this world.


  • #135
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    GaelMise wrote: »
    Is it possible that these estates only have an Irish name? There have been quite a number of estates built over the last decade that are only named in Irish.
    There was a back lash recently against the naming of estates in bizarre, bland terms. For example, you could find an estate called Ash Field Heights that has no ash trees and is in a flood plain. Many new developments were given Irish language names.


  • #136
    GaelMise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 542 ✭✭✭GaelMise


    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    There was a back lash recently against the naming of estates in bizarre, bland terms. For example, you could find an estate called Ash Field Heights that has no ash trees and is in a flood plain. Many new developments were given Irish language names.

    Shrewsbury Mews, Co Offaly.
    Alderdale Pines, Co Sligo.

    *Shudders*


  • #137
    ArtyC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭ArtyC


    Banjoxed wrote: »
    The one kid who left my class in Primary School in the Seventies to go to an Irish language school was a right little cnut who booted me in the nads for having a London accent after Bloody Sunday. Not a scientific quota but enough to persuade me that Irish speakers were either/both bigoted 'ra heads or Mena Bean Ui Cribhin until proven otherwise.

    This is the biggest load of ring.
    That's on par with me saying " my ex, who's got red hair was awful to me" " now I hate every single red head" " I feel they are all awful and should be done away with"
    Get a grip,


  • #138
    Banjoxed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,844 ✭✭✭Banjoxed


    ArtyC wrote: »
    This is the biggest load of ring.
    That's on par with me saying " my ex, who's got red hair was awful to me" " now I hate every single red head" " I feel they are all awful and should be done away with"
    Get a grip,

    Well thankfully it wasn't my ring he was gunning for.


  • #139
    OneOfThem Stumbled
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 936 ✭✭✭OneOfThem Stumbled


    Just saw this now.

    Near Ballbridge on Google maps

    Ascaill na Lub

    What the hell's that?

    Zoom in closer

    Now it says

    Ascaill na Lub Ascaill na Lub

    FFs

    Zoom in Closer

    Now it says

    Serpentine Ave. Ascaill na Lub

    Oh... you meant Serpentine Ave all along. That's slightly annoying.


  • #140
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    This thread would be hilarious anyway, even if the OP had a point. He doesn't. I've just zoomed in on the Pearse St. area and everything is in English unless you zoom in and you can sometimes get both. You never get Irish only.

    I've noticed a new form of petty tribalism, a majoritarian pro-English speaking tribalism arising amongst a certain set. Nutcases.


  • #141
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    mike_ie wrote: »
    Google are working on it, apparently.

    https://productforums.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!category-topic/maps/new-feature-suggestions/OyapLaxFU3c

    From that link:
    4 years ago?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #142
    Carlos Orange
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭Carlos Orange


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    This thread would be hilarious anyway, even if the OP had a point. He doesn't. I've just zoomed in on the Pearse St. area and everything is in English unless you zoom in and you can sometimes get both. You never get Irish only.

    I've noticed a new form of petty tribalism, a majoritarian pro-English speaking tribalism arising amongst a certain set. Nutcases.

    Have you been practising that speech?

    There is nothing pro English about expecting Google to respect their users language preferences. There is no actual benefit to cluttering peoples maps with information they don't want. Sometimes it is actively bad when they display Irish placenames with no corresponding English placenames.


  • #143
    Piliger
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    MadsL wrote: »
    Or you could just get over the 'offence' of also seeing the other language on the sign.

    Or you could just get over removing a dead language from being foisted on the east if us.


  • #144
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    psinno wrote: »
    Have you been practising that speech?

    There is nothing pro English about expecting Google to respect their users language preferences. There is no actual benefit to cluttering peoples maps with information they don't want. Sometimes it is actively bad when they display Irish placenames with no corresponding English placenames.

    The fact is we are NOT a bilingual language.

    The nationalists are trying to force that on us. They have no mandate. It is a form of ant democratic fascism.

    And google should not be paying heed to that kind of nationalism.


  • #145
    Piliger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Sound of Silence wrote: »
    The moment I get this frustrated about a minor inconvience in some free service, can someone please start medicating me? Because clearly I'm not fit for this world.

    Clearly you have already passed that point and have been treated.


  • #146
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Piliger wrote: »
    The fact is we are NOT a bilingual language.

    The nationalists are trying to force that on us. They have no mandate. It is a form of ant democratic fascism.

    And google should not be paying heed to that kind of nationalism.
    I can't believe you are really comparing a few Irish words on a map to fascism!!!

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #147
    greenpilot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭greenpilot


    Piliger wrote: »
    The fact is we are NOT a bilingual language.

    The nationalists are trying to force that on us. They have no mandate. It is a form of ant democratic fascism.

    And google should not be paying heed to that kind of nationalism.

    What's this "we" business? Are you Irish, or just another Brit who, having moved over here, spends most of their time bitching about how bloody awful our country is. The ferry is dat way.......


  • #148
    Aphex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Aphex


    greenpilot wrote: »
    What's this "we" business? Are you Irish, or just another Brit who, having moved over here, spends most of their time bitching about how bloody awful our country is. The ferry is dat way.......

    *follows thread*


  • #149
    Tokyo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,655 ✭✭✭✭Tokyo


    Piliger wrote: »
    The fact is we are NOT a bilingual language.
    Actually, the fact is that you are not bilingual - there are quite a reasonable percentage of us that are, and are happy to have signs written in the language of our choosing...

    While yes, I agree that the likes of Google maps should allow the user to switch between languages simply to unclutter the interface, I am quite happy to see signs and such available in both languages.


  • #150
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,305 ✭✭✭Days 298


    greenpilot wrote: »
    What's this "we" business? Are you Irish, or just another Brit who, having moved over here, spends most of their time bitching about how bloody awful our country is. The ferry is dat way.......

    Dat way? Which wayz dat biy?


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  • #151
    mackerski
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,291 ✭✭✭mackerski


    Cienciano wrote: »
    OS maps don't have the Irish name alongside the english names on streets. At least not in the maps I use. No idea why google decided to do it. It's simple, have one or the other linked to the language in your google settings.

    I think that this is the most important point raised in the thread (and we've seen it a few times) - digital maps can readily be customised for the user and most users will have a preference for one language or another.

    On a personal note, I'm glad the OP took a liking to OpenStreetMap. I and a bunch of other boardsies invest a lot of our free time to make it the best and most current map it can be. The main purpose of OSM is to expose the actual map data to anyone who wants it, mainly to allow them the freedom to do things like seeing the map in the language (or colour, or level of detail) they desire.

    For instance, here's another map made using OpenStreetMap data. See how this one has been configured to prefer the English name of every place, even those places where the Irish (or whatever) name might be the norm? (Hint: look for the rare occurrence of "Dunleary" on a map).

    Or how about one for the Irish speakers? Yes, some features are showing up in English, it's a proof of concept. And some streets don't have the Irish names entered - if you know them, help us by entering them yourself. OSM allows (indeed, expects) you to do so.

    Happy mapping to all!


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