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Garda Ombudsman offices bugged

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,236 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    bumper234 wrote: »
    Guards bugging the ombudsman, could an be interesting couple of days :D

    Now that is GUBU

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 DistanceVector


    Still nothing on RTE. Sick Stuff. For what its worth I fired off a complaint to them:
    Dear Sir / Madam

    I expect no reply to this as I know by now that RTE care for nothing
    except keeping the government happy in return for your license fee.

    Your total lack of coverage of the bugging of the Garda Ombudsman's
    office is absolutely disgusting.

    This is a hugely important matter that goes to the core of public
    trust in the institutions of this country. A story like this could
    lead to the fall of a government.

    Yet the churches stance on homophobia leads the news among other minor stories.

    You are in total breach of your public service remit . No doubt
    waiting to be told what to say by your paymasters and/ or the Garda.

    Do you remember when we all had to go to foreign news sources because
    you would not report on our loss of sovereignty a few years ago? Here
    we go again.

    Shame on you RTE, you do no service for the average citizen in this country.

    You serve the government and vested interests regardless of the common good.

    A day will come when your organization will be called to account for
    you abject failure to fulfill your stated role.

    Shame on you RTE and I thank god for the internet and other news outlets.

    The sooner Donnybrook is shut down or at least seriously reformed in
    the common interest the better for this republic.

    I expect I will have to wait a while. After all , an informed citizen
    is a dangerous thing it seems.

    So at best I expect a generic reply from you saying you are looking
    into it. I doubt Ill get any reply to be honest. I have to write this
    email to at least feel Ive done something.

    As if you would actually engage with a nobody citizen like myself and
    address my (our) concerns.

    Regards


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭who_ru


    Is say it's G2 on behalf of the Gardaí, they would look a bit stupid bugging the ombudsman themselves, then getting caught.

    I'd say you could be right. Callinan will deny all knowledge of this, lying through his teeth of course, but the remit must have been to identify, intimidate, prevent whistleblowers from within the force.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    who_ru wrote: »
    I'd say you could be right. Callinan will deny all knowledge of this, lying through his teeth of course, but the remit must have been to identify, intimidate, prevent whistleblowers from within the force.

    Saw this posted on Reddit and thought it was worth reposting
    I wouldn't totally rule out media involvement either at this stage. An episode of Panorama a few years ago detailed how during the phone-hacking days of the NOTW, faxes and 'leaks' were channelled through News Internationals Dublin office.
    "Panorama obtained details of a fax sent to the office of Marunchak on 5 July 2006, apparently containing copies of emails which had been written by Ian Hurst, a former army intelligence officer. Marunchak was then based in the News of the World's Dublin office, editing the Irish edition. Hurst was believed to be involved in writing a book titled Stakeknife, eventually published under the pseudonym Martin Ingram, which details the alleged involvement of British intelligence in assassinations in Northern Ireland. Hurst had been the subject of court orders obtained by the Ministry of Defence.

    Hurst then asked the hacker who had commissioned him to do this. The hacker replied: "The faxes would go to Dublin ... He was the editor of the News of the World for Ireland. A Slovak-type name. I can't remember his ****ing name. Alex, his name is. Marunchak." Marunchak declined to answer questions when the BBC confronted him."
    Interesting that Hurst was writing a book about state collusion at this time. Would the GSOC be worth listening in on to garner some information regarding collusion on this side of the border?
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/2011/mar/13/phone-hacking-panorama-names-journalist


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 159 ✭✭rabwaygal


    Maybe the security consultancy made it up!!! Would mean extra work/money for them.

    Its like when you bring your car to a mechanic. They dont say "All is great, now dont come back for six months"


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,158 ✭✭✭thattequilagirl


    Probably about time we all accepted that whether we like it or not we are being bugged constantly in our homes, cars, workplaces.... or have i just been watching too much Scandal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭adrag


    rabwaygal wrote: »
    Maybe the security consultancy made it up!!! Would mean extra work/money for them.

    Its like when you bring your car to a mechanic. They dont say "All is great, now dont come back for six months"

    Wats all the surprise and shock about,gardai have operated this way for years


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,768 ✭✭✭✭tomwaterford


    rabwaygal wrote: »
    Maybe the security consultancy made it up!!! Would mean extra work/money for them.

    Its like when you bring your car to a mechanic. They dont say "All is great, now dont come back for six months"

    If you believe that you'll believe anything :pac::pac:

    Surly they would have to provide proof:rolleyes:

    Some thing fairly serious afoot there....can't see how government can possibly try sweep this under the carpet...or how anyone can possibly justify a bugging operation on garda ombudsman office


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 DistanceVector


    Yaaay, look who just got with the program, the thick plottens....

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0209/503308-garda-ombudsman/
    Minister for Justice Alan Shatter has said he did not know that the Garda Ombudsman Commission suspected its offices in Dublin were bugged last year.
    The Garda Síochána said it is also unaware that the Commission’s offices were bugged and received no report on the matter.

    If either of these statements are proved wrong it is time to storm the bastille


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    If you believe that you'll believe anything :pac::pac:

    Surly they would have to provide proof:rolleyes:

    Some thing fairly serious afoot there....can't see how government can possibly try sweep this under the carpet...or how anyone can possibly justify a bugging operation on garda ombudsman office[/QUOTE]

    oh watch them try , dont forget , them elections are a coming , IF they do and pay even lip service to it , no report will be even considered till after the elections , just like the side step on the pylons - cant be letting the people get in the way of an election.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Yaaay, look who just got with the program, the thick plottens....

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0209/503308-garda-ombudsman/


    That'll be the end of that, then. Nobody knows anything and it's too late to do anything about it now. Maybe we'll hear something about it during some tribunal in 10 years

    :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    This has the potential to be dynamite.

    Dynamite in some other country maybe, but not in corrupt little Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Yaaay, look who just got with the program, the thick plottens....

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0209/503308-garda-ombudsman/





    If either of these statements are proved wrong it is time to storm the bastille


    coincidence that its posted less than an hour after people started firing off emails ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 DistanceVector


    That'll be the end of that, then. Nobody knows anything and it's too late to do anything about it now. Maybe we'll hear something about it during some tribunal in 10 years

    :(


    You know what man, I read that, chuckled a bit and then honestly felt a bit sick in my stomach.

    God I hope something breaks the camels back someday.

    So far this camel proves to have a back made of titanium.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 DistanceVector


    dj jarvis wrote: »
    coincidence that its posted less than an hour after people started firing off emails ?

    The top brass at RTE must take us all for total Shmucks.

    Im sure someone from RTE is following this thread. If they aint , they should be.

    Yo , RTE, what does it feel like to facilitate corruption and disinformation on a daily basis?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    Turns out the commissioner was hugged not bugged! Carry on with business as usual.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,485 ✭✭✭dj jarvis


    Boombastic wrote: »
    Turns out the commissioner was hugged not bugged! Carry on with business as usual.

    Disgraceful !!!

    I thought the Ombudsman was supposed to be independent of the slime ball government , not getting hugs from them !!!

    Sounds like they are in a relationship


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    From the Irish Times -
    The Irish Times understands the three-person commission had always intended to conduct the same security sweep as its predecessors and in the second half of last year decided to act on that intention.

    It is unclear what led to that action, though sources have suggested some senior staff in GSOC viewed with suspicion the level of detail that was emerging publicly about some of its ongoing cases.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/bugging-found-at-offices-of-garda-complaints-watchdog-1.1685345#.UvfgRkTRTVo.reddit


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,557 ✭✭✭✭Alun


    Doesn't the "Church" of Scientology have offices on Middle Abbey Street too? My money's on them doing it :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    Why would anyone be surprised at this revelation, there is so many top guys that were promoted during the Donegal episode, the Abbeylara affair, the top men are concerned about what is going in the GSOC, this is nothing to do with justice it's about protecting reputations. We had that sort of thing in the Kerry babies time, the heavy gang and others. Some of the promoted and now retired still like to convince people that Joann Hayes had twins. Get a grip.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,871 ✭✭✭rolliepoley


    It this old gard again, their in s**t deep and they dont want nothing to to change, they know all the tricks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 208 ✭✭adrag


    Why would anyone be surprised at this revelation, there is so many top guys that were promoted during the Donegal episode, the Abbeylara affair, the top men are concerned about what is going in the GSOC, this is nothing to do with justice it's about protecting reputations. We had that sort of thing in the Kerry babies time, the heavy gang and others. Some of the promoted and now retired still like to convince people that Joann Hayes had twins. Get a grip.

    Exactly my point,and those are the ones we hear about,the auld crime and security branch of the garda are a law upon themselves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭who_ru


    It's being speculated on other sites that the reason GSOC didn't inform shatter about this last year when they discovered their offices were bugged is because of shatter's connection to the Garda commissioner.

    In other words the ombudsman simply does not trust the MOJ Alan Shatter.

    Remember the Garda commissioner himself leaked information to shatter about independent TD Mick Wallace, which shatter then used to discredit Wallace in the dail.

    If I were the ombudsman I wouldn't trust shatter either.

    Rte's line of.....shure no evidence and nothing can be done about it anyway could have been written by shatter himself.

    Come to think of it, it probably was.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,003 ✭✭✭Busted Flat.


    who_ru wrote: »
    It's being speculated on other sites that the reason GSOC didn't inform shatter about this last year when they discovered their offices were bugged is because of shatter's connection to the Garda commissioner.

    In other words the ombudsman simply does not trust the MOJ Alan Shatter.

    Remember the Garda commissioner himself leaked information to shatter about independent TD Mick Wallace, which shatter then used to discredit Wallace in the dail.

    If I were the ombudsman I wouldn't trust shatter either.

    Rte's line of.....shure no evidence and nothing can be done about it anyway could have been written by shatter himself.

    Come to think of it, it probably was.

    Beat me to it, good post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I'm wondering why they were suspicious of being bugged. Also, the article states the espionage was uncovered last year. Why are we only hearing about it now and through a newspaper article.
    I'd say, as the link URL has put up, they probably grew suspicious about the level of information being repeated to them by 3rd parties, about ongoing cases. Since the commission is pretty small, they could be fairly sure that there was no leak/mole in the GSOC, so they had to consider technological weaknesses.

    We're only hearing about it now, because you want to complete a full investigation of this kind of thing before you tell anyone.
    who_ru wrote: »
    It's being speculated on other sites that the reason GSOC didn't inform shatter about this last year when they discovered their offices were bugged is because of shatter's connection to the Garda commissioner.
    I would expect GSOC not to tell the MOJ or the Gardai anything. They're an independent body. While I don't think it's far-fetched that they don't trust the senior Gardai, I think it's straying into conspiracy theory territory to think that they would/should have told Shatter or Callinan, but chose not to because of some ongoing issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,496 ✭✭✭Boombastic


    http://www.verrimus.com/


    Verrimus ‏@verrimus 37 mins
    Verrimus can confirm we were the UK organisation who undertook the TSCM task. We cannot comment on the task detail or findings. #gsocgate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭who_ru


    seamus wrote: »
    I'd say, as the link URL has put up, they probably grew suspicious about the level of information being repeated to them by 3rd parties, about ongoing cases. Since the commission is pretty small, they could be fairly sure that there was no leak/mole in the GSOC, so they had to consider technological weaknesses.

    We're only hearing about it now, because you want to complete a full investigation of this kind of thing before you tell anyone.

    I would expect GSOC not to tell the MOJ or the Gardai anything. They're an independent body. While I don't think it's far-fetched that they don't trust the senior Gardai, I think it's straying into conspiracy theory territory to think that they would/should have told Shatter or Callinan, but chose not to because of some ongoing issue.
    True but.......
    Why did shatter denounce the PAC for investigating the Garda whistleblowers , especially as callinan had described whistleblowers as 'disgusting' and threatened legal action against the PAC if they didn't back off.

    Why did shatter not step in when callinan refused the GSOC permission to access the pulse system to investigate the penalty points fiasco?

    If a state funded body which is what the GSOC is discovered it was being bugged why would they not report that to the MOJ ?

    Yes it's speculation but there's a lot going on here, much of it scandalous. Why did rte avoid the story like the plague for 18hrs?

    Why did it take a British newspaper to break this story? Why not an Irish paper or journalist..........oh hang on I know why

    http://transparency.ie/news_events/firing-gemma-o%E2%80%99doherty-may-serve-silence-investigative-journalists-ireland


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41 DistanceVector


    Why did it take a British newspaper to break this story? Why not an Irish paper or journalist..........oh hang on I know why

    http://transparency.ie/news_events/f...alists-ireland

    The cold hard truth of your post breaks my heart:(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 194 ✭✭EireGun


    Who could it be? Means. Motive. Opportunity.

    The Gardai? Means: Yes. Motive: Hell Yeah. Opportunity: Possibly
    Crime & Security Branch or Special Detective Unit would have to be involved. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Detective_Unit)

    The Defence Forces? Means: Certainly. Motive: Not Really. Opportunity: Possibly.
    The only reason I mention the DF is because they happen to be home to Ireland's intelligence agency, the "Defence Forces Directorate of Intelligence" or "G2" as it used to be well-known as. They have the tech. and are involved in electronic surveillance according to this and newspapers... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directorate_of_Intelligence_(Ireland)

    Nobody else in Ireland with those capabilities.

    http://cdn1.independent.ie/irish-news/article29994519.ece/ALTERNATES/h342/NWS_2014-02-10_NEW_002_30609700_I1.JPG


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,793 ✭✭✭tritium


    Rte reporting that Shatter wants to meet the gsoc- wants to know why he and the Gardai weren't informed, why they checked for bugs......classic case of looking to blame the victim

    The man is a dense arrogant fool. Its pretty obvious that trust between him and the gsoc is gone. By his actions he's shown he has little interest on accountability within the guards. We need a new minister, and I say that as someone who broadly supports this government


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