Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

Sarky · 07-02-2014 06:00PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Show me the research which says they do as well and a state sponsored push for gay adoption will be good for children? That's your move there.

I asked for evidence of your claim. You're going to have to point to research showing that children do better with mixed parents. Otherwise, your claim is worthless. That's how a debate works.

Never mind, Someone got there before me. Which just leaves the evidence for YOUR claims that mixed parents are better for the child.

Off you go. I'm sure you have plenty to back your claim up so it shouldn't take too long. Especially with your PhD in politics.

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 06:00PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Ideally yes a man and a woman bring different things to a child growing up. As long as they are stable etc but of course the old I know a married couple who are drug addicts etc who I wouldn't let mind a dog is usually thrown back at this so I will save time by saying all things being equal a stable married couple would be preferable.

Great, just wanted to confirm that view.

You know your view is what lead to thousands of unmarried women for decades having their children taken off of them in Ireland right?

All in the name if the greater good for the child, I guess that made it ok....perhaps you should tell those women that it was all for the best eh?
:rolleyes:

By the way, you do know that the majority of children in Ireland are born outside of marriage right?

Do you propose that the government should legislate to stop this, after all its not in the best interest of the child.

If you fail to campaign against allowing these women to have baby's outside of marriage then clearly you don't care about providing the best life for the children of Ireland.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:02PM

Zillah wrote: »

The economy isn't an engine into which politicians shovel coal in rotating shifts. The economy is not suffering for want of politicians spending more time working on it. It has to take time to recover. It's like wondering where the hell the doctor has gone after he's put your leg in a cast; he can't force it to heal faster by standing around staring at it.

I do, however, get the impression, that this issue is not really at the heart of your opposition to gay marriage.

Yeah your right there its primarily with a social engineering experiment and its impact on children but still wondering why during a big recession and not during the Celtic Tiger this whole thing wasn't debated then? Many are not happy with the government loosing focus on what they were supposed to do jobs and the economy. If I was on the dole I would be livid.

No one has answered this?

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:04PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Great, just wanted to confirm that view.

You know your view is what lead to thousands of unmarried women for decades having their children taken off of them in Ireland right?

All in the name if the greater good for the child, I guess that made it ok....perhaps you should tell those women that it was all for the best eh?
:rolleyes:

By the way, you do know that the majority of children in Ireland are born outside of marriage right?

Do you propose that the government should legislate to stop this, after all its not in the best interest of the child.

If you fail to campaign against allowing these women to have baby's outside of marriage then clearly you don't care about providing the best life for the children of Ireland.

Nope what happened there in the past with unmarried women was a bloody scandal.

A child with their mother is always better off than a child forced into a gay adoption situation though

Zillah · 07-02-2014 06:05PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Oh I have heard them your right there I have a Phd in politics.

Lefty liberal ideology with facist type tactics by the gay brigade the two are not mutually exclusive.

Interesting enough, "Lefty Liberal Ideology with Facist Type Tactics by the Gay Brigade" was the title of his doctoral thesis. He got top marks despite not knowing how to spell the word "fascist".

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 06:06PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Nope what happened there in the past with unmarried women was a bloody scandal.

A child with their mother is always better off than a child forced into a gay adoption situation though

When did all these forced adoptions start occurring? Also applying your logic,a child who is beaten by their biological parents is always better off than a child being adopted by a gay couple.

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 06:06PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Many are not happy with the government loosing focus on what they were supposed to do jobs and the economy. If I was on the dole I would be livid.

No one has answered this?

Got any basis to back this apparent belief?,

Also, any unemployed people I know are happy to see the government finally deal with marriage equality.

We'd live in a pretty fecked up country if we only dealt with rights issues when times were good,

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:06PM

Zillah wrote: »

Interesting enough, "Lefty Liberal Ideology with Facist Type Tactics by the Gay Brigade" was the title of his doctoral thesis. He got top marks despite not knowing how to spell the word "fascist".

Stick to the topic if typos are all you have got to retort with you have no more valid points to contribute

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 06:07PM

No

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Hold up now, which is it? Because these are on completely different parts of the political spectrum. Not far off being exact opposites.

You're just saying words you heard, aren't you?

I'm thinking a William Burrough's style cut- up thing is going one here.

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 06:08PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

what happened there in the past with unmarried women was a bloody scandal.

Perpetrated by the same organization that says being gay is a sin and that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

I guess we can trust that organisation yeah?

Zillah · 07-02-2014 06:08PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Stick to the topic if typos are all you have got to retort with you have no more valid points to contribute

I bet a million euro you do not have a PhD in Politics.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:08PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

When did all these forced adoptions start occurring? Also applying your logic,a child who is beaten by their biological parents is always better off than a child being adopted by a gay couple.

Note my point above about the " I know a married biological couple argument who couldn't mind a dog" argument. The caveat is all things being equal!

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 06:09PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Note my point above about the " I know a married biological couple argument who couldn't mind a dog" argument. The caveat is all things being equal!

You've yet to refute the meta analysis that was posted earlier...

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 06:09PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Stick to the topic if typos are all you have got to retort with you have no more valid points to contribute

"cough"
if you want to actually stick to the topic...the topic is

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

Thats not what you're discussing, you've gone off on a rant about children and gay people.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:09PM

Zillah wrote: »

I bet a million euro you do not have a PhD in Politics.

You will never be able to know and I don't have to prove it so....come on is that the best you have about this social experiment?

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 06:10PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Ideally yes a man and a woman bring different things to a child growing up. As long as they are stable etc but of course the old I know a married couple who are drug addicts etc who I wouldn't let mind a dog is usually thrown back at this so I will save time by saying all things being equal a stable married couple would be preferable.

Still waiting for you to list exactly what those things are..

I'm dying to know if I am the 'man' or is my 'OH' - one of us must be as son turned out ok

Please include map reading as I can do that and she can't but we both understand the off side rule in soccer so ignore that one k.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:11PM

Cabaal wrote: »

"cough"
if you want to actually stick to the topic...the topic is

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

Thats not what you're discussing, you've gone off on a rant about children and gay people.

Read what you wrote above then take out a dictionary look up the word IRONY let it sink in and then have a sit down there then good lad.

Knasher · 07-02-2014 06:11PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

A child with their mother is always better off than a child forced into a gay adoption situation though

Is a child better off in a state run orphanage or with a gay couple? Because there has always been a higher demand for stable homes than there are places available.

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 06:12PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

You will never be able to know and I don't have to prove it so....come on is that the best you have about this social experiment?

Every claim you have made has been refuted. You just prefer to ignore refutations. :pac:

Sarky · 07-02-2014 06:12PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

The caveat is all things being equal!

Isn't it funny, then, that "all things being equal", the last 30 or so years of research have found that children raised by same-sex couples are no worse off at all than children raised by anyone else?

I remain confident though that you'll still supply us all with a truckload of research that proves otherwise. Without stooping, of course, to the downright dishonesty of the Iona Institute by mentioning the ftally flawed Regenerus study, or lying about the Child Trends research like David quinn did at the constitutional convention in a dishonest attempt to portray gay people as less worthy or deserving, despite the reality.

That would just be homophobic.

floggg · 07-02-2014 06:13PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

I don't see why any of them would need to come out.

That's a laughably bad attempt to justify your bull ****?

You don't think anybody should discuss their private lives with colleagues?

B ****ing S. It's natural and normal and hopes in every office and work place in the country.

Work would be a sad(der) miserable(r) experience if we all sat there in silence like drones.

And I think anybody believes that for one second - otherwise why do all the big companies spend so much time and money encouraging a healthy social aspect to the work place.

Ash.J.Williams · 07-02-2014 06:13PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Nope what happened there in the past with unmarried women was a bloody scandal.

A child with their mother is always better off than a child forced into a gay adoption situation though

are you saying that SSM will lead to babies being removed from their mothers and given to gay people?

i'm only asking because that's exactly what you said!

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 06:14PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Oh I have heard them your right there I have a Phd in politics.

Lefty liberal ideology with facist type tactics by the gay brigade the two are not mutually exclusive.

Really.

May I ask what fine educational institution you attended? I may know your supervisor...or your extern.

I would also like to read your thesis - what university library should I contact?

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 06:16PM

No

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

are you saying that SSM will lead to babies being removed from their mothers and given to gay people?

i'm only asking because that's exactly what you said!

I guess thats one of his irrational fears?

Maybe he thinks that gay people will do what the catholic church did to mothers for decades?

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:16PM

Knasher wrote: »

Is a child better off in a state run orphanage or with a gay couple? Because there has always been a higher demand for stable homes than there are places available.

State run orphanages should not and never should have existed. The gay couple shouldn't be an option. The only option unmarried man woman married man woman single man single woman no problem. Just because gay couples currently lie about their domestic situation to adopt children does not mean it should be a right.

Single mothers with live in boyfriends are berated for such lies to the state system but not gay couples who lie in a similar fashion with greater consequences to children and the social order than a few Euro extra on a benefit payment.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:16PM

Cabaal wrote: »

I guess thats one of his irrational fears?

Maybe he thinks that gay people will do what the catholic church did to mothers for decades?

It is a possibility

Knasher · 07-02-2014 06:17PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Why should the government waste its time on this?

Montjuic wrote: »

Oh I have heard them your right there I have a Phd in politics.

A PhD in politics and doesn't understand that politicians can focus on more than one issue at a time....

Ash.J.Williams · 07-02-2014 06:17PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

It is a possibility

i doubt anyone denies that the best place for a child is with his parents that love them.....kids up for adoption have already had a rough start.

Sarky · 07-02-2014 06:17PM

No

A friend's PhD has the following line in the dedication section:

I would like to thank Sarky for showing me the true meaning of Christmas.

True story.

Anyway, how about that homophobia, eh? Pretty awful way to treat your fellow human beings.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 06:18PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Perpetrated by the same organization that says being gay is a sin and that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

I guess we can trust that organisation yeah?

This organization was not mentioned by me and has no bearing on me in this debate

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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