Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 05:19PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Homophobia and discrimination is always wrong and must be condemned but there is no entitlement to marriage or forcing children into gay adoption. This is not a human right like Amnesty now purports. Amnesty used to be into campaigning for prisoners on death row - now its a gay campaign agency when did this happen?

This about sums up your entire post...

Go see what is happening in Russia, Uganda etc etc and then come back and tell us it all about how Amnesty have no business in this.

Yes there is an 'entitlement' to marriage - but only if you are hetrosexual.

'Forcing children into adoption' - oh give me a break!

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 05:21PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

Grand job,human rights issues should be forgotten during recessions and everything should be thrown to the wayside. I hope you feel better after getting your rant about the lefties out.

Ireland is not Alabama in the 60s for gay people though - getting married and adopting children who have no say in the matter is not a human right.

Are you suggesting there are human rights abuses against gays in Ireland? Human rights definitions have had their criteria widened to suit a hysterical gay lobby. I have not seen government death squads roaming the streets looking for gays have you?

Homophobia still exists and needs to stamped out through education and strong condemnation.

Daith · 07-02-2014 05:22PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Homophobia still exists and needs to stamped out through education and strong condemnation.

Yes except our teachers could be fired if they come out as a gay!

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 05:24PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Are you suggesting there are human rights abuses against gays in Ireland? Human rights definitions have had their criteria widened to suit a hysterical gay lobby.

So you are ok with employers being allowed to fire a gay person from their job just for being gay?
You don't see this as a human rights issue?

Great! I guess employer's should be allowed to fire women just for being women as well right?

Happyman42 · 07-02-2014 05:25PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Ireland is not Alabama in the 60s for gay people though - getting married and adopting children who have no say in the matter is not a human right.

Are you suggesting there are human rights abuses against gays in Ireland? Human rights definitions have had their criteria widened to suit a hysterical gay lobby. I have not seen government death squads roaming the streets looking for gays have you?

Homophobia still exists and needs to stamped out through education and strong condemnation.

Hysterical gay lobby? I would have thought those shrieking 'defamation' and demanding monies where the 'hysterical' ones. As well as falling into the other meaning...'hysterically funny' if it wasn't so 'hysterically sad'.

Friend Computer · 07-02-2014 05:25PM

Montjuic wrote: »

Ireland is not Alabama in the 60s for gay people though - getting married and adopting children who have no say in the matter is not a human right.

As opposed to children who have a say in being adopted by heterosexual couples?

Should children being adopted by heterosexual couples have a say? Why or why not and why should it be any different for homosexual couples?

hysterical gay lobby

I'm wasting my time asking you anything, aren't I?

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 05:26PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Ireland is not Alabama in the 60s for gay people though - getting married and adopting children who have no say in the matter is not a human right.

Are you suggesting there are human rights abuses against gays in Ireland? Human rights definitions have had their criteria widened to suit a hysterical gay lobby. I have not seen government death squads roaming the streets looking for gays have you?

Homophobia still exists and needs to stamped out through education and strong condemnation.

Interesting...

Unless there are Death Squads there is not issue yet homophobia needs to be stamped out by education....

Like educating people to understand that there is nothing 'wrong' with being Gay and having them see Gay people treated as equal to heterosexuals under the law?

Pardon me for saying this, but you seem a tad confused.

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 05:26PM

No

Daith wrote: »

Yes except our teachers could be fired if they come out as a gay!

Also that at this point in time,only one same sex parent is recognised . That's not fair on a child either.

I would also view it as a right for same sex couples to marry to be frank. It would also be a significant step in terms of progressing past homophobic attitudes. By preventing same sex couples from marrying,they are in effect viewed as inferior in the eyes of the law.

Saying that a death squad is required for human rights to be infringed upon is hysterical.

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 05:27PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

gay lobby

Can I ask, what building is this gay lobby in?

Is it a nice design or something?, I just ask because I'm sure there's a reason you keep referring to it

Do you think its fabulous?

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 05:27PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

This about sums up your entire post...

Go see what is happening in Russia, Uganda etc etc and then come back and tell us it all about how Amnesty have no business in this.

Yes there is an 'entitlement' to marriage - but only if you are hetrosexual.

'Forcing children into adoption' - oh give me a break!

Spot on about Russia and Uganda - completely agree and they do great work in highlighting these unquestionable human rights abuses!

But do check out the Irish Amnesty site you would be forgiven Ireland is just as bad which it is nowhere near.

There is no entitlement to the title of marriage. Why was civil partnership not enough?

And yes forcing children into gay adoptions is wrong a newborn baby has no say in the matter.

Scenario: Gay couple V Straight couple both equally stable loving etc - one baby up for adoption - who gets preference? where lies the best interest of the baby? Does a mother and father at the very least not provide two different sets of skills and role models for a child?

Maximus Alexander · 07-02-2014 05:27PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

When a country with over 400K unemployed; another 400K struggling to survive and many thousands forced out through emigration why are the politicians and media focusing such energies and attention on an issue that effects very few people in the scheme of things?

Yeah it's mad, the gubbmint should stop everything since there's a recession on.

I can't believe they wasted time over the last 6 months discussing things like:

Freedom of Information
Seanad Reform
Water Services
Charities
Dissolution of Railway Procurement Agency
Sunbeds
Merchant Shipping
Health Service Executive
Electronic Communications Networks
Protection of the Public Interest from Tobacco Lobbying
Adoption
Rates for Parking Spaces
Pyrite
Abortion
Wind Turbines
Cannabis
Sign Language
Cyberbullying
Parental Leave
Energy Regulation
Criminal Justice
Gas Regulation
Betting
Assisted Decision Making
Child and Family Agency

To name but a few. DON'T THEY KNOW THERE'S A RECESSION ON!?

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 05:28PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Can I ask, what building is this gay lobby in?

Is it a nice design or something?, I just ask because I'm sure there's a reason you keep referring to it

Do you think its fabulous?

Ah here is that the best you can do?

iwantmydinner · 07-02-2014 05:29PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Schools can employ who they want in accordance with their ethos, may not like it but that is how it is.

Eh, sorry, no employer is allowed to discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation, just like it can't discriminate on the grounds of age, gender, etc etc.

COME ON!!! At least get your facts straight, like!!!

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 05:30PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Scenario: Gay couple V Straight couple both equally stable loving etc - one baby up for adoption - who gets preference? where lies the best interest of the baby? Does a mother and father at the very least not provide two different sets of skills and role models for a child?

The more suitable couple(regardless of orientation),has there ever been a scenario where there has been a couple that are of the exact same abilities? Also,single people can currently adopt so same sex couples can technically adopt,just not as a couple.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 05:31PM

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Yeah it's mad, the gubbmint should stop everything since there's a recession on.

I can't believe they wasted time over the last 6 months discussing things like:

Freedom of Information
Seanad Reform
Water Services
Charities
Dissolution of Railway Procurement Agency
Sunbeds
Merchant Shipping
Health Service Executive
Electronic Communications Networks
Protection of the Public Interest from Tobacco Lobbying
Adoption
Rates for Parking Spaces
Pyrite
Abortion
Wind Turbines
Cannabis
Sign Language
Cyberbullying
Parental Leave
Energy Regulation
Criminal Justice
Gas Regulation
Betting
Assisted Decision Making
Child and Family Agency

To name but a few. DON'T THEY KNOW THERE'S A RECESSION ON!?

Most of the above effect the majority of the population in some way. Apart from abortion issue this is the biggest social engineering experiment that Ireland has ever embarked on and is being driven by a liberal lefty elite and the ones who are making most of the noise is a hysterical gay lobby.

The silent majority will have there say democratically at the ballot box you will get the answer there.

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 05:33PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Ah here is that the best you can do?

Hey, you're the one that keeps referring to this this wonderful made up gay lobby,

I've already shown that the likes of Iona and even the Vatican church are no longer in-line with the vast majority of the church going catholic public in Ireland when it comes to marriage equality. A majority want it, plain and simple.

Marriage equality is happening in Ireland, you can post silly rants on boards.ie trying to justify to yourself that it shouldn't all day long. Its actually pretty amusing

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 05:33PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Most of the above effect the majority of the population in some way. Apart from abortion issue this is the biggest social engineering experiment that Ireland has ever embarked on and is being driven by a liberal lefty elite and the ones who are making most of the noise is a hysterical gay lobby.

The silent majority will have there say democratically at the ballot box you will get the answer there.

So minorities should be neglected because they're not a majority? There's no social engineering experiment btw,that's just some particular dickish and homophobic language to be using. Also,are you really going to pretend same sex parents don't already exist in country?

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 05:33PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Spot on about Russia and Uganda - completely agree and they do great work in highlighting these unquestionable human rights abuses!

But do check out the Irish Amnesty site you would be forgiven Ireland is just as bad which it is nowhere near.

There is no entitlement to the title of marriage. Why was civil partnership not enough?

And yes forcing children into gay adoptions is wrong a newborn baby has no say in the matter.

Scenario: Gay couple V Straight couple both equally stable loving etc - one baby up for adoption - who gets preference? where lies the best interest of the baby? Does a mother and father at the very least not provide two different sets of skills and role models for a child?

I do so love it when straight people come along and tell me how good it is for us gays in Ireland.

Sure we are nearly equal and isn't that enough for us. But noooo - stroppy gays are demanding full equality. How very dare we expect our country to threat us the same as straight people.
We need to get back in our boxes and accept our 2nd class status as there are more important things to worry about...

No child has a say in who adopts them...

What exactly are these different skill sets that are provided by a mother and a father?

Do list them for me.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 05:35PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Interesting...

Unless there are Death Squads there is not issue yet homophobia needs to be stamped out by education....

Like educating people to understand that there is nothing 'wrong' with being Gay and having them see Gay people treated as equal to heterosexuals under the law?

Pardon me for saying this, but you seem a tad confused.

Confused not at all. Gay people should be treated equal.

Try explaining to a child where Adam and Steve next door got their baby from you will see what confused looks like then.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 05:36PM

No

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Eh, sorry, no employer is allowed to discriminate on the grounds of sexual orientation, just like it can't discriminate on the grounds of age, gender, etc etc.

COME ON!!! At least get your facts straight, like!!!

He's right.

The 96% of our State funded under the patronage of the RCC schools can do just that as they got an exemption....

As can our 'Catholic' hospitals....

Sarky · 07-02-2014 05:36PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Try explaining to a child where Adam and Steve next door got their baby from you will see what confused looks like then.

Parent: "Adam and Steve adopted a child."

Child: "Oh. Can I have ice cream?"

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 05:38PM

Corkfeen wrote: »

So minorities should be neglected because they're not a majority? There's no social engineering experiment btw,that's just some particular dickish and homophobic language to be using. Also,are you really going to pretend same sex parents don't already exist in country?

Minorities should never be neglected because they're not a majority but to classify a misplaced notion of an entitlement to marriage is stretching the term human rights abuse a bit. The guy who invented it didn't have this hysterical gay band wagon in mind when he came up with that.

Zillah · 07-02-2014 05:38PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

...a hysterical gay lobby. I have not seen government death squads roaming the streets looking for gays have you?

In one sentence he calls his opponents hysterical, and then goes on to talk about government death squads.

I am consistently amazed at how absolutely incoherent homophobes are. It would be expected that they be offensive, selfish or short-sighted...but the sheer consistency of how incoherent they are is amazing.

"Homophobia is bad and gay marriage isn't a right and you have to be murdered to have your rights violated and HAVE YOU NOTICED THE ECONOMY IS BAD and gay marriage is less important than jobs and DEATH SQUADS and I hate RTE isn't IONA wonderful GAY AGENDA LIBERALS LEFTIES who wants some tea?"

And then we try to reply as if it will achieve anything for anyone.

floggg · 07-02-2014 05:38PM

No

RobertKK wrote: »

What?

I don't know why teachers have to be open about their sexuality at school or in the workplace when it has nothing to do with their work.

It is like the whole St patrick's day parade fuss in the US as if sexuality was part of the parade, when the day has nothing to do with sexuality.

Yes we get, one is homosexual, one would think it was a disease given how some feel the need to talk about being homosexual as if there was something wrong with them.
Then talk about a harder life but choose to bring it on themselves when they could easily avoid it.

Schools can employ who they want in accordance with their ethos, may not like it but that is how it is.

You don't know we have to be "open about our sexuality".

So do you think straight teachers should be banned from talking about their spouse or partner?

Or from wearing a wedding or engagement ring?

Or even from getting drunk at the Xmas party and scoring each other?

All of those things are bringing their sexuality into the workplace.

Or is it just the gays who need to keep their lives hidden least we upset somebody.

This line "argument" makes me so mad. That gay people are somehow politicising their life by just being open about their lives.

Each and every day I see straight people kissing, holding hands, etc or talking about their partners, families or even bragging crudely about their sex lives, and rightly so.

But if a gay person has the temerity to want to try and do the same we are "bring are sexuality into things where it doesn't belong" or politicising it.

Sorry, but **** off.

And this type of bull**** attitude is why being allowed to march in a parade.

Because people who will claim not to discriminate or be homophobic, but at the same time try to tell us that we have no right to live our lives on the same terms as others and keep our shameful ways behind closed doors.

Maximus Alexander · 07-02-2014 05:39PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Most of the above effect the majority of the population in some way. Apart from abortion issue this is the biggest social engineering experiment that Ireland has ever embarked on and is being driven by a liberal lefty elite and the ones who are making most of the noise is a hysterical gay lobby.

The silent majority will have there say democratically at the ballot box you will get the answer there.

Hang on a second, so you're saying gay marriage doesn't affect the majority? Is that because it only affects gay people? Cool, so remind me why you object to it.

Bannasidhe · 07-02-2014 05:40PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Confused not at all. Gay people should be treated equal.

Try explaining to a child where Adam and Steve next door got their baby from you will see what confused looks like then.

You get more confused by the minute.

Dunno about Adam and Steve but as a lesbian parent of a now adult son I found the child next door had no problem understanding that my son had two mothers.

Just like the child next door has no problem understanding that my grandchildren come to stay with their two grannies every second week.

Montjuic · 07-02-2014 05:41PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Hey, you're the one that keeps referring to this this wonderful made up gay lobby,

I've already shown that the likes of Iona and even the Vatican church are no longer in-line with the vast majority of the church going catholic public in Ireland when it comes to marriage equality. A majority want it, plain and simple.

Marriage equality is happening in Ireland, you can post silly rants on boards.ie trying to justify to yourself that it shouldn't all day long. Its actually pretty amusing

They aren't though and that is why the gay bandwagon is getting a bit hysterical.
Remember Norris was way over estimated in the polls same here I am afraid.

Bring Mr Panti on a nation wide campaign tour away from fawning Abbey Theater goers the reaction will be quite different.

Cabaal · 07-02-2014 05:42PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Gay people should be treated equal.

Except when you think they shouldn't be
:rolleyes:

Try explaining to a child where Adam and Steve next door got their baby from you will see what confused looks like then.

Children are not born with any understand of where baby's come from, nor do they really care about gay people or anything like that.

Like so many things in a childs life it takes an adult to explain things and instill certain views such as racism and homophobia (if the parent is small minded and racist or homophobic)

If a child is brought up thinking a couple with children can only exist of a man and a women then of course it might take a small bit of explaining to a child for them to understand a gay couple.

Such a view was only created by the child's parent in the first place.

The problem here isn't the child, its the parent of the child holding a very narrow-minded view.

Really its no different to the narrow-minded view held in Ireland towards single mothers for decades, remember whole towns of people used to look down on single mothers.

Today we look at such people as ignorant small minded people if they made a comment about a single mother.

Corkfeen · 07-02-2014 05:42PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

Minorities should never be neglected because they're not a majority but to classify a misplaced notion of an entitlement to marriage is stretching the term human rights abuse a bit. The guy who invented it didn't have this hysterical gay band wagon in mind when he came up with that.

Ironically,there's only one person be hysterical. You have not made any argument,just rambled about the awful lefties while behaving like an awful idiot yourself. You condemn homophobia but have used tonnes of homophobic language. You can't put together a coherent argument against same sex marriage so just engage in moral outrage about lefties.

Sarky · 07-02-2014 05:43PM

No

Montjuic wrote: »

They aren't though and that is why the gay bandwagon is getting a bit hysterical.
Remember Norris was way over estimated in the polls same here I am afraid.

Bring Mr Panti on a nation wide campaign tour away from fawning Abbey Theater goers the reaction will be quite different.

I suppose you have a page long rant about the evils of theatre, too?

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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