Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

end of the road · 07-02-2014 04:29PM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Except they're not doing that are they? They're simply demanding that the agreement which was made is adhered to.

Patrick Gates of the Clonliffe and Croke Park Area Residents’ Association

he's just a moaning old git looking for publicity and a picture in the paper that is all, if he got payed per concert he wouldn't be complaining

smileyj1987 · 07-02-2014 04:34PM

Potatoeman wrote: »

Its the city, people are entitled to park there if its public property. What if the residents complained about his customers parking around there all the time?

The difference is the fact his customers don't block up rows of public roads . Once they have gotten a haircut they leave and take their cars with them so they free up space for people to park . Also there is a lot of parking spaces available during the day because a fair amount of people are out working .

weldoninhio · 07-02-2014 04:36PM

end of the road wrote: »

he's just a moaning old git looking for publicity and a picture in the paper that is all, if he got payed per concert he wouldn't be complaining

Thats what it all comes down to, I'm sure if Aitken said that all residents would be paid 1k per concert you'd hear a lot less complaints. People see Aitken, Garth Brooks, pubs, hotels making money and want their cut. Everybody wants their fumble in the greasy till.

hatrickpatrick · 07-02-2014 04:36PM

If you choose to live in the capital city of a country you must also accept that there are no public curfews on people living their lives.

Anyone in this thread ever been to New York City?

AudreyHepburn · 07-02-2014 04:37PM

wedger wrote: »

I think a lot of people are confused here.

The agreement for 3 music events in Croke Park per year is not an agreement between the residents and Croke Park.

It is a stipulation in the approval of planning permission for the stadium that no more than 3 NON SPORTING EVENTS can be held, without seeking proper event licences.

Now in AVIVA stadium their planning states that the can only have 3 and absolutely no more in a year and the reason given by the council is "To protect public amenity".

So the lovely people in Dublin 4 can be protected by the council and those of us in D3 can shut up and put up is that it?

As for the amount of events annually (sporting or other wise) it normally exceeds 37 and this year will exceed 40. That is more than one tenth of the year with restrictions placed on our freedom of movement.

We all put up with it and get on with our lives and plan around it primarily because its only for the day maybe two. But when you have these restrictions placed on you for almost a week thats definitely taking the piss.

Would that mean then that techincally any number of events could be held as long as you had the licences, rather than the number being capped at 3?

If so then in reality no promises to the residents have been broken here.

Of the issue of nusience, anti-social behaviour remains.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 04:38PM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

Because Croke Park make money and impose discomfort on them. Ergo, they either must share their earnings with them, or, hold no concerts there.

no, they musn't share their earnings with the residents, the residents don't deserve a penny, their will be a lot of money going into the dublin economy, a free ticket each is all they should get

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

Let me give you a simple example. Let's say a nearby factories output stained your house with soot each year. Would you consider it fair that the factory gives you money to repaint your house, or, in your bizarre mind, should they give you a bag of soot or a blindfold?

if the factory was there i wouldn't move there in the first place, if it was being built after i moved in i would have an opportunity to object to the plans, if i was to lazy to do so thats my problem

whats_my_name · 07-02-2014 04:39PM

end of the road wrote: »

pitty about them, this will bring much needed money into the dublin economy, this is a big stadium where concerts will happen from time to time, the residents know this so they will just have to tough it out, remember this will bring much needed money into the dublin economy

I actually cannot get over the ignorance of some people on this thread, & if these are the type of people that are going to any of the concerts then the residents have every right to be concerned, some of the attitudes here are disgusting!

Skylinehead · 07-02-2014 04:40PM

end of the road wrote: »

if it was being built after i moved in i would have an opportunity to object to the plans

Seriously, stop peddling this bull****. A lot of residents have had those houses for generations, and certainly the vast majority lived there before Croke Park had concerts.

Gatling · 07-02-2014 04:40PM

roadsmart wrote: »

I get the feeling gatling troll is trolling.

No I'm not

Were a country where when something good comes along the moaning Minnie brigade come out in force with the complaints and faux concerns ,

And to think there only getting a few tickets's each valued at €800 + at the current rate ,

Soooo hard done by arent they

wedger · 07-02-2014 04:45PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Would that mean then that techincally any number of events could be held as long as you had the licences, rather than the number being capped at 3?

If so then in reality no promises to the residents have been broken here.

Of the issue of nusience, anti-social behaviour remains.

That is in regard to the planning. Then Croke Park have agreed with local residents groups that they too would limit the number of concerts to three and holding any more would be done with consultation with the locals.

Local residents have put up with 3, 4 even 5 concerts in a year but as I said 8 is taking the p1ss... AVAIVA is strictly restricted to 3

weldoninhio · 07-02-2014 04:46PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Seriously, stop peddling this bull****. A lot of residents have had those houses for generations, and certainly the vast majority lived there before Croke Park had concerts.

A lot of residents around the counties had houses where they are before new roads/railways/tunnels/light rail were put in. Tough!! Progress is progress. A lot of people from Hotels to Bars to Shops to Tourist based businesses will make huge money from this. Jobs will be created because if this.

If it causes "inconvenience" for 5 days for a few people. Tough!!

Uaru · 07-02-2014 04:46PM

Only some residents get tickets in a raffle, the vast majority will get nothing. 5 nights is taking the piss. I live near the Aviva and I would be fairly pissed if this was happening here. I love match day around the area but the concerts attract too many drunk idiots. The middle aged brigade tend to be fairly pissed and obnoxious when it comes to respecting residents as well.

smileyj1987 · 07-02-2014 04:48PM

The funny thing is the people in here saying stuff the residents of the area would be the first to complain about anything like that happening on their front door .

end of the road · 07-02-2014 04:49PM

intellectual dosser wrote: »

Why should the residents enter into an agreement with an entity that breached the last one?

because its going to bring much needed money into the dublin economy and large amounts of visitors to the city

spurious · 07-02-2014 04:49PM

Uaru wrote: »

Only some residents get tickets in a raffle, the vast majority will get nothing. 5 nights is taking the piss. I live near the Aviva and I would be fairly pissed if this was happening here. I love match day around the area but the concerts attract too many drunk idiots. The middle aged brigade tend to be fairly pissed and obnoxious when it comes to respecting residents as well.

We're outside the cordon for Croke Park and regularly have the delight of sports fans pissing against our doorway. Such an advert for their fine 'association'.
Don't get the same sort of behaviour from concert goers (or haven't so far) but the parking and emergency access is always a problem on match/concert days.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 04:50PM

ronjo wrote: »

I understand that an outright ban isnt the way to go.

However, if its true that 3 was the agreed number of concerts with the residents, do you not think its fair that they are made stick to this number??

no, its a venue and it should be used to its full potential

Irish Aris · 07-02-2014 04:52PM

end of the road wrote: »

no, its a venue and it should be used to its full potential

really?? How about 50 concerts every year then? Would that do? :rolleyes:

Uaru · 07-02-2014 04:53PM

spurious wrote: »

We're outside the cordon for Croke Park and regularly have the delight of sports fans pissing against our doorway. Such an advert for their fine 'association'.
Don't get the same sort of behaviour from concert goers (or haven't so far) but the parking and emergency access is always a problem on match/concert days.

Less pissy crowd at the football and rugby so. The area tends to empty out quick enough after football. The rugby crowd tend to hang around late but are respectful enough.

The concert goers tend to be complete ****heads. Had a blazing argument with a lad trying to park blocking our driveway before Buble.

BanksysGhost · 07-02-2014 04:55PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

A lot of residents around the counties had houses where they are before new roads/railways/tunnels/light rail were put in. Tough!! Progress is progress. A lot of people from Hotels to Bars to Shops to Tourist based businesses will make huge money from this. Jobs will be created because if this.

If it causes "inconvenience" for 5 days for a few people. Tough!!

I don't think even the most hardcore Brooks fans would call this "progress"!

Xavi6 · 07-02-2014 04:55PM

end of the road wrote: »

he's just a moaning old git looking for publicity and a picture in the paper that is all, if he got payed per concert he wouldn't be complaining

Or he's someone fed up having the piss taken out of him and his fellow residents by concert promoters who failed to adhere to an agreement.

By all means pay him per concert. That would be a lot more acceptable than now where they get thrown into a raffle for tickets to a sh*t concert they probably have no interest in.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 04:57PM

Deacon Ashy Penguin wrote: »

Its like people who move to the country complaining when machinery is working in a field near there house at night during the summer, what did they expect?

i have a neighbour who is like that who has been living here a good few years but moans when the lads come in and out cutting the silage, have often been fit to tell them to put up and shut up but i'd never hear the end of it

Skylinehead · 07-02-2014 04:58PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

really?? How about 50 concerts every year then? Would that do? :rolleyes:

Well he doesn't live there clearly, so yes.

weldoninhio · 07-02-2014 05:01PM

BanksysGhost wrote: »

I don't think even the most hardcore Brooks fans would call this "progress"!

So bringing millions upon millions into the Dublin and the Irish economy is not progress??

miss no stars · 07-02-2014 05:02PM

Here's the thing.

Croke Park, when it was first opened, was right at the edge of the city. Even as recently as the 70s the limit of the city was the bishop's palace. Fans going to matches didn't mean 80,000 people being in an area that's right in the centre of the city. They also didn't drive and block off access to people's homes.

When the GAA were deciding what to do with Croker, they could have moved their main stadium to somewhere on the periphery with a big feck off car park and buses on match days. They decided, instead, to develop a bigger stadium in what is now a much more inner city area with far more population density and knowing full well that attendees would drive and park in the area, but made no remediation for the parking issue. They did this against the residents' objections, but promised proper crowd control and event management and all sorts of things that they just do not come through on. They said they would limit the number of non-sporting events to 3 per year.

They've basically shat all over the people of the area and people on here think that the residents are just trying to make a quick buck and have no real complaint? The mind boggles. Ballybough and Drumcondra do not belong to the GAA. They can't just do as they please.

But for the record, I don't want the concerts cancelled, I'd rather they go ahead and proper management put in place for the events and to have them sit down with the residents and work out a binding longer term plan.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 05:02PM

zerks wrote: »

Heard the guy who's the head of the residents association on the radio,he sounds like he's from NI.Him of all people should be used to being barricaded into his home as stuff he doesn't like goes on outside during the Summer.;)

ouch

Dyr · 07-02-2014 05:05PM

spurious wrote: »

We're outside the cordon for Croke Park and regularly have the delight of sports fans pissing against our doorway. Such an advert for their fine 'association'.
Don't get the same sort of behaviour from concert goers (or haven't so far) but the parking and emergency access is always a problem on match/concert days.

blast of a hosepipe through the letterbox tbh

and they should consider themselves lucky its not a bolt cutters

miss no stars · 07-02-2014 05:05PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So bringing millions upon millions into the Dublin and the Irish economy is not progress??

Not if it's not done properly! Shock horror! Sure go on, build a fecking motorway through the city, cut off areas and turn them into slum, make the city a worse place to be, marginalize people . It's progress, right?

The thing about people having roads and light rail built near them (after EIS are prepared!) is different, though, because a road or a LUAS doesn't piss through your letter box.

BanksysGhost · 07-02-2014 05:05PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So bringing millions upon millions into the Dublin and the Irish economy is not progress??

It's not necessary, infrastructural progress like new roads, like the examples you mentioned

Potatoeman · 07-02-2014 05:09PM

Skylinehead wrote: »

Seriously, stop peddling this bull****. A lot of residents have had those houses for generations, and certainly the vast majority lived there before Croke Park had concerts.

Its Dublin city. Its developed over the years. People are entitled to enjoy the facilities.

end of the road · 07-02-2014 05:10PM

miss no stars wrote: »

when it's all over, have a party for the residents. Some food and drink, bouncy castle for the kids and a decent donation to the community centre.

i'm sorry but no, theirs going to be a load of money going into the local economy which is enough for them

miss no stars wrote: »

I can only presume that anyone who can't see the side of the residents has never been in or near the area during a sell-out event, or was too drunk to notice what was going on.[/quote
no, i have been in the area and not drunk, it comes with the area and the residents know it, they had an opportunity to object to the redevelopment of the stadium and either didn't bother or had laughable objections, so therefore i've no sympathy

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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