Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

anncoates · 07-02-2014 10:29AM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

1 huge gripe that the residents around the area is that of parking. For example, a friend on mine owns a house in the area, they don't care about the noise of activity in the area. They care that gobsh*tes will freely use thier street as a car park and block them into thier parking spot.
So in the event of any sort of an emergency where they are required to drive, they will need to wait for the concert/game to end, the post match/gig pints to wrap up, the stumble of the car owners back to thier cars the prayers they say before driving after consuming alcohol are completed before they are in a position to drive away. Oh, and those who are doing the double parking, may also have the same scenario if there is some tripple parking going on where the blocker becomes the blockee.

This may sound ludacris, but it happens at every major event.

I know it's a historical site for the GAA but they should have have relocated to the suburbs a long time ago and perhaps just retained a museum on the old site. A purpose built arena in the suburbs be far more accessible for concerts and matches and less of a burden to the city residents and traffic.

Same with Landsdowne.

TheIrishGrover · 07-02-2014 10:30AM

5 nights in a row is asking a bit much. Can only imagine the noise and traffic. As for the comments "They knew what they were getting into when they bought their houses" well, a lot of those people have been living there for generations, when Landsdown Croker wasn't used nearly as much, or as late. Or wasn't there at all. I know it's over at 10 or so each night but I wouldn't like to be working shift work around then

edit: Meant Croker

gerbilgranny · 07-02-2014 10:30AM

Can the GAA not pay for additional resources to ensure that parking/access for residents during the concerts isn't an issue?

Here in Bray when the annual Air Show is on, traffic cones are put on all the roads in the town where people shouldn't park, but might be tempted to park - i.e. where there are yellow lines and in other areas that might be flooded with visitor's cars.

roadsmart · 07-02-2014 10:32AM

The parking is the worst for me. Cars just abandoned in places people would never normally dream of parking. I've been blocked in a couple of times, and several years ago a neighbour returned home to find two strange cars parked in her driveway. When there's a match or concert on an ambulance or fire brigade would not get into our street. IMHO parking should be available outside the city (plenty of places around the airport) and patrons bussed in.

iDave · 07-02-2014 10:34AM

I live close enough to Croke Park to enjoy the buzz of a big event and far enough not to deal with all the bullsh1t. Do have a lot of sympathy for those closer to the ground on this. 5 in a row is an unbelievable pain in the hole along with 3 1 Direction gigs too.

Eponymous · 07-02-2014 10:37AM

kneemos wrote: »

The needs of the many is greater than the wants of a few.

Going to a concert is a "need" now?

Heaven forbid residents might "want" to live in their homes without such intrusions for five consecutive nights.

seamus · 07-02-2014 10:38AM

anncoates wrote: »

A bit of a dodgy precedent to say any purely commercial activity on the part of a commercial organisation that directly affects the quality of life of residents is acceptable merely because they were there first?

Yes, within reasonable hours. If you live near a large industrial facility, they can cause constant disruption, 6 days a week from 8am to 10pm and there's basically nothing you can do about it.

If Croke Park are planning on holding gigs that go on till 1am, then you've got a valid reason to complain, but otherwise assuming the facility is in use during normal hours, then residents just have to put up with it, because that's what happens when you buy a house beside a stadium.

If you don't like it, move.

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

Xavi6 · 07-02-2014 10:44AM

seamus wrote: »

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

Except they're not doing that are they? They're simply demanding that the agreement which was made is adhered to.

Patrick Gates of the Clonliffe and Croke Park Area Residents’ Association

“They are adding one concert after another without any consultation with the residents. It is a disgrace. They [Croke Park] had an agreement for three concerts. Four was going too far. Five is a joke."

.......

He said so close to an 80,000-seat stadium, residents knew they would have to “grin and bear it” a couple of times a year but five times in a row was not on.

Andy-Pandy · 07-02-2014 10:44AM

I grew up on Simmonscourt Road, the road that splits the RDS in two so I know how much of a pain these things can be and how much of a disruption 5 nights of a concert can be, add into this the days the stage is built and you are looking at a full week of restricted access to your house. They deserve some sort of recompense for the concerts, they will affect their lives for the duration of them.

Shiraz 4.99 · 07-02-2014 10:44AM

Eponymous wrote: »

Going to a concert is a "need" now?

Heaven forbid residents might "want" to live in their homes without such intrusions for five consecutive nights.

I would have thought that some of them may have queried the huge concrete structure next to their house the day they bought it.
My sympathy meter is sadly not responding here, maybe they should hire Brendan Ogle now he's free, probably get them all a free extension & cobblelock driveway for their troubles.

stinkle · 07-02-2014 10:44AM

seamus wrote: »

Like I say in the other thread, Croke park has been in existence since before all of the residents were even alive.

If you don't like the disruption a stadium brings, don't live beside it.

If there was an agreement, formal or informal about the number of concerts, then it's just plain decency for the promoter to offer additional compensation for the overspill, but I see no general basis for residents to complain about the facility being used.

it may have been in existence but not as the massive capacity behemoth it is now. There are plenty of residents living there since before the stadium was modernised. I would imagine most objections aren't going to be the noise, but parking disruption and potential anti social activity before and after.

Sir Arthur Daley · 07-02-2014 10:46AM

What about health and safety issues? is it designed to hold 100,000 fans plus workers and Garth Brooks?

anncoates · 07-02-2014 10:47AM

seamus wrote: »

If you don't like it, move.

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

It depends on your point of view.

I'd rather prioritize - or balance at least - the quality of life for thousands of Dublin citizens than the rights of a (any, not just Croke Park) commercial organization to make money. Or at least be a bit more subtle than telling them to like it or lump it.

By your reckoning, the entire North inner City should be evacuated permanently as a residential area so the GAA can cream it for extra Garth Brooks concerts?

stefan idiot jones · 07-02-2014 10:48AM

Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »

I agree, they should be paid a fee.

Why should money have anything to do with it?

I despair of this compensation culture that has crept into our lives.

Compensate them with free tickets or ear plugs.

How on earth can money solve any of these issues. Greed, fcukin' Greed.

D1stant · 07-02-2014 10:49AM

Xavi6 wrote: »

Five nights of listening to country music deserves serious compensation IMO.

The furthest they ever got to in Guantanamo was 3 nights. This is inhuman

anncoates · 07-02-2014 10:50AM

stinkle wrote: »

it may have been in existence but not as the massive capacity behemoth it is now. There are plenty of residents living there since before the stadium was modernised. I would imagine most objections aren't going to be the noise, but parking disruption and potential anti social activity before and after.

It's also disingenuous to suggest that they were stuffing in 5 night concerts in there back in the old days.

padd b1975 · 07-02-2014 10:54AM

I lived in the area the last time he played there, so obviously I could hear everything from my front door.

I was amazed how identical his show was every night- both set list and interaction with the audience.

The music was enjoyable (I got a cheap last minute ticket for the Sunday night) but 5 nights of the same folksy/ patronize the crowd within an inch of their lives links will be tough for the residents to listen to.

Eponymous · 07-02-2014 10:56AM

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

I would have thought that some of them may have queried the huge concrete structure next to their house the day they bought it.
My sympathy meter is sadly not responding here, maybe they should hire Brendan Ogle now he's free, probably get them all a free extension & cobblelock driveway for their troubles.

As mentioned here before, for quite a few residents these are family homes, passed down from generations. It's not so long ago all that happened in Croker was sporting events, and even then mostly at weekends.

Your response also doesn't tackle the "need" of going to a concert. It's very easy to trivialise what the residents will go through for the duration of the concerts, plus time for construction and deconstruction of the stage.

Chazz Michael Michaels · 07-02-2014 10:59AM

stefan idiot jones wrote: »

Why should money have anything to do with it?

I despair of this compensation culture that has crept into our lives.

Compensate them with free tickets or ear plugs.

How on earth can money solve any of these issues. Greed, fcukin' Greed.

Because Croke Park make money and impose discomfort on them. Ergo, they either must share their earnings with them, or, hold no concerts there.

Let me give you a simple example. Let's say a nearby factories output stained your house with soot each year. Would you consider it fair that the factory gives you money to repaint your house, or, in your bizarre mind, should they give you a bag of soot or a blindfold?

Nice username.

bucketybuck · 07-02-2014 11:01AM

seamus wrote: »

I can't understand the mentality of anyone who moves into an area and then demands that everyone else changes to suit them.

What on earth are you blathering about?

They aren't asking anybody to change at all, in fact they are asking the opposite, that the existing agreement be adhered to. Thats the cause of this dispute, the fact that the promoters have without consultation went beyond what was originally agreed to.

AudreyHepburn · 07-02-2014 11:04AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

What on earth are you blathering about?

They aren't asking anybody to change at all, in fact they are asking the opposite, that the existing agreement be adhered to. Thats the cause of this dispute, the fact that the promoters have without consultation went beyond what was originally agreed to.

They are looking for a concert injuction to stop concerts being played in Croke Park....is that not changing things?

caustic 1 · 07-02-2014 11:05AM

Seems to be a perception that it's all auld wans going to these events, the biggest majority queuing and getting tickets seem to be younger.

Banjo String · 07-02-2014 11:05AM

Tbf, I am no stick in the mud. If I was renting there, let's say in a student house with a half dozen or so other students, it'd probably be gas, few drinks making a party out of the couple of nights, Wolf whistling at ladies and what not.

If I had a pride of joy, family home with a nicely kept garden, few kids etc, I imagine 5 nights of folk tramping past the front door, pissin in my garden, smoke butt's and bottles discarded in the front yard, I'd be rightly annoyed too.

I kinda get where they're coming from tbh.

lukesmom · 07-02-2014 11:06AM

Love concerts myself but wouldn't be a Garth brooks fan. But I live close to Slane and I can only comment on the chaos that ensues in the run up, during and after the concerts there, I cannot imagine what 5 days in a row will be like ;O

drkpower · 07-02-2014 11:08AM

seamus wrote: »

............ because that's what happens when you buy a house beside a stadium. ..

Attractive argument on the face of it but does it still apply no matter how frequently the stadium is used for events?

If you bought a house there pre 1990s, a reasonable expectation was that you would have disruption on Sundays only during daytime hours during the GAA championship with maybe one concert every few years. For most of the stadium's existence, 'what happens' inside Croke Park was very little outside Sundays during the summer.

Clearly that has changed significantly over the years and while i appreciate the argument that stadiums are always liable to be used as concert venues, if Croke Park decided to use the stadium for concerts as frequently as the O2, would we still say, tough, you bought near a stadium?

There has to be a middle ground to be struck. It is significant that Croke Park has a prior application to the local council for 3 concerts per year. While that can be amended it is in effect, is a signal to the residents of the exopected violume of concerts. In that context, holding 8 (perhaps more) is a tad excessive.

NTMK · 07-02-2014 11:09AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

They are looking for a concert injuction to stop concerts being played in Croke Park....is that not changing things?

Promoters broke the agreement by the sounds of it. They were the ones that attempted to break the agreement and add 2 more dates.

If they didnt attempt to be so greedy this would have happened. Residents are well within their rights to oppose this pisstaking and attempt to block the concerts

Menas · 07-02-2014 11:11AM

I live beside Marley park and to be fair the summer concerts there are really well run. Good access to public transport and the security and clean up operation is quick and works well. So apart from not been able to walk the park and feed the ducks for a few days there is minimal impact on me.

Luckily the gigs they have there are decent enough...except for Tom Jones last year. Nice to sit in the garden and listen to whoever is playing.

But 5 nights on the trot of a musician that I do not like? No thanks. Margo next door however, she would love it if Garth would play Marley 14 nights on the trot...every month.

bucketybuck · 07-02-2014 11:13AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

They are looking for a concert injuction to stop concerts being played in Croke Park....is that not changing things?

Everybody knows that's just posturing, the residents know that there will be no injunction. Its just the nature of negotiation, go in with a high price and then meet somewhere in the middle.

AudreyHepburn · 07-02-2014 11:15AM

NTMK wrote: »

Promoters broke the agreement by the sounds of it. They were the ones that attempted to break the agreement and add 2 more dates.

If they didnt attempt to be so greedy this would have happened. Residents are well within their rights to oppose this pisstaking and attempt to block the concerts

What happened to meeting in the middle? Can there not be a compromise?

bucketybuck wrote: »

Everybody knows that's just posturing, the residents know that there will be no injunction. Its just the nature of negotiation, go in with a high price and then meet somewhere in the middle.

I hope so but they seem pretty dead set on it. I wouldn't like to seem them suceed, I don't believe a blanket ban is the answer tbh.

AudreyHepburn · 07-02-2014 11:17AM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

I live beside Marley park and to be fair the summer concerts there are really well run. Good access to public transport and the security and clean up operation is quick and works well. So apart from not been able to walk the park and feed the ducks for a few days there is minimal impact on me.

Luckily the gigs they have there are decent enough...except for Tom Jones last year. Nice to sit in the garden and listen to whoever is playing.

But 5 nights on the trot of a musician that I do not like? No thanks. Margo next door however, she would love it if Garth would play Marley 14 nights on the trot...every month.

Why should an artist be banned just because a few people might not be fans? What about the, in this case, 400,000 + who are fans? Or do they not count?

Croke Park residents to seek concert injuctions.....your opinions?

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