Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

Bannasidhe · 06-02-2014 05:58PM

No

Corkfeen wrote: »

Yep,*Sneakily points at Bann*

Because I'm Baaad, I'm Baaaad, and the whole world has to ...*forgot the lyrics so mumble this bit*...who's bad!

:cool:

Links234 · 06-02-2014 05:59PM

No

iwantmydinner wrote: »

Ah no, I just didn't realise he was kind of a douche until you gave me more background.

I didn't even know he was gay when I read his piece on Panti!

To be fair he can be pretty awesome when he wants, he's behind the It Gets Better Project for example. What he did to Rick Santorum is also worthy of applause. But yeah, he can be an unrepentant asshole too often too.

bodice ripper · 06-02-2014 05:59PM

No

efb wrote: »

I don't like they was New Zealanders refer to themselves as Kiwis...

We can chose a name for our group

My vote is still on Deviants. I think it has some edgy charm.

AerynSun · 06-02-2014 06:00PM

No

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

...I don't know why, and it's not my place to decide what is offensive for others I agree, but why 'the'?...

I was on a little rant about this the other day. Does my head in hearing LGBT people referred to as 'the gays' or (my personal RCC hierarchy/media fave 'the gay cabal'). I was sitting having a conversation a while ago with someone who was telling me about a man who left a religious order after making an accusation against his superior (something to do with inappropriate conduct by the superior towards the man in question), and then later retracting the accusation... and the person I was chatting to summarised what had happened as "It turned out he'd only said those things about his superior because he was having trouble accepting that he was himself a gay".

So for me, the jarring terms are "the gays" or "a gay". Others mightn't have the same reaction to them, but I'm not a fan.

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 06:06PM

No

AerynSun wrote: »

I was on a little rant about this the other day. Does my head in hearing LGBT people referred to as 'the gays' or (my personal RCC hierarchy/media fave 'the gay cabal'). I was sitting having a conversation a while ago with someone who was telling me about a man who left a religious order after making an accusation against his superior (something to do with inappropriate conduct by the superior towards the man in question), and then later retracting the accusation... and the person I was chatting to summarised what had happened as "It turned out he'd only said those things about his superior because he was having trouble accepting that he was himself a gay".

So for me, the jarring terms are "the gays" or "a gay". Others mightn't have the same reaction to them, but I'm not a fan.

'The gays'
'The gay lobby'
'The gay agenda'

ARGHHH! It's perhaps not my place to get annoyed as a member of 'The Straights', but these terms make me want to scream.

Links234 · 06-02-2014 06:07PM

No

floggg wrote: »

Context, my dear, context.

I know the context, but it's still a pretty awful thing to say because "being the victim of sexual assault is not a Get Out of Being a Human Being Free card" is a very generalized comment that will sting for any abuse survivor.

efb · 06-02-2014 06:31PM

No

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

I'm not talking about the word gay. It is the prefix 'the' that seems ridiculous. I don't know why, and it's not my place to decide what is offensive for others I agree, but why 'the'? I wouldn't like 'the women' or 'the foreign people' either. Why not just gay people? I am perhaps being pedantic but it is annoying.

Very

efb · 06-02-2014 06:32PM

No

I think the phrase 'the gays' has been adopted by the gay community tongue in cheek to diffuse it.

Piliger · 06-02-2014 06:39PM

No

It's one of those terms that immediately expose the real feelings of those who use it. The language used by homophones when they talk about anyone who is not straight gives them away without any need to express their 'views'.

amdublin · 06-02-2014 06:40PM

No

Guys as well as posting here please send your comments/an email to RTE also.

Your voice counts and although they have received an unprecedented amount of complaints it will not hurt for them to receive more.

Doesn't have to be long - literally a fe lines expressing your feelings about the SNS and the paying of €85k.
Complaints@rte.ie

5 minutes and job done! Do it!

Daith · 06-02-2014 06:44PM

No

Cos "the gays" is so silly. There's a belief that all gays in Ireland are a member of some social group and are told what to say.

For some reason a Terry Pratchett quote came to me when I was thinking about "the gays, the gays lobby and the gay agenda"

A pack is an association of free individuals. A pack doesn't leap because it's told – a pack leaps because every individual, all at once, decides to leap.

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 06:47PM

No

efb wrote: »

I think the phrase 'the gays' has been adopted by the gay community tongue in cheek to diffuse it.

It sometimes has an 'h' in it when used in that context. The ghays!

Piliger · 06-02-2014 06:50PM

No

amdublin wrote: »

Guys as well as posting here please send your comments/an email to RTE also.

Your voice counts and although they have received an unprecedented amount of complaints it will not hurt for them to receive more.

Doesn't have to be long - literally a fe lines expressing your feelings about the SNS and the paying of €85k.
Complaints@rte.ie

5 minutes and job done! Do it!

I have said this many times in many threads on Boards .... an email is worth a 20th of an actual paper letter. Take the time and sit down and send a REAL letter.

And send it to the top guy ! not to be put in the complaints bin ......

eorpach · 06-02-2014 07:01PM

Prime Time on RTÉ 1 tonight at 9.35pm will be having a panel discussion about homophobia, which includes David Quinn of the Iona Institute. That's just super!

*rolls eyes*

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 07:19PM

No

eorpach wrote: »

Prime Time on RTÉ 1 tonight at 9.35pm will be having a panel discussion about homophobia, which includes David Quinn of the Iona Institute. That's just super!

*rolls eyes*

I can't wait!

Turtwig · 06-02-2014 07:22PM

We should be pedantic if Mr Quinn says anything so much as slightly out of line we smack RTE with a defamation suit.

I don't have the money Iona has though.

Annasopra · 06-02-2014 07:22PM

No

Great contribution from John Lyons TD today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOL7bt8kEP8

eorpach · 06-02-2014 07:24PM

eorpach wrote: »

Prime Time on RTÉ 1 tonight at 9.35pm will be having a panel discussion about homophobia, which includes David Quinn of the Iona Institute. That's just super!

*rolls eyes*

The editor of GCN will also be appearing on Prime Time, with the results of an online poll about hand-holding in public. You can take part in the poll here:

http://www.broadsheet.ie/2014/02/06/can-you-give-brian-a-hand/

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 07:26PM

No

Jernal wrote: »

We should be pedantic if Mr Quinn says anything so much as slightly out of line we smack RTE with a defamation suit.

I don't have the money Iona has though.

Perhaps all like minded A&A/LGBT members from boards should form an 'Institute' to counteract Iona?

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 07:28PM

No

I really missed my calling becoming a psych nurse. I would love to be a human rights lawyer.

eorpach · 06-02-2014 07:32PM

Interestingly, BBC News have now also picked up this story:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C7XnYrMIqSw

Interesting, Panti's Abbey speech is to be reversioned into French, Portuguese and Russian.

Mr Biffter · 06-02-2014 07:40PM

No

yes the iona is a joke, how out dated are they, i think they should be blasted across the media for the shower of losers that they are, they judge and discriminate against ordinary citizens, they think they know best, but when someone speaks out against them they go and look for thousands of euro in irish tax payers money, what about the people they judge and ridicule,hope they get compensation, wheres their voice !!!!!!!! Iona "bunch of pony's "

efb · 06-02-2014 07:42PM

No

I think if I see smug David on my TV I'll smash it, so I'll watch Netflix on it instead Bridegroom maybe???

Links234 · 06-02-2014 07:45PM

No

eorpach wrote: »

Prime Time on RTÉ 1 tonight at 9.35pm will be having a panel discussion about homophobia, which includes David Quinn of the Iona Institute. That's just super!

*rolls eyes*

I'm going to complain about him being on RTE again, we should do so every time he is from this point onwards. He should have no business being given a platform ever again.

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 07:52PM

No

amdublin wrote: »

Guys as well as posting here please send your comments/an email to RTE also.

Your voice counts and although they have received an unprecedented amount of complaints it will not hurt for them to receive more.

Doesn't have to be long - literally a fe lines expressing your feelings about the SNS and the paying of €85k.
Complaints@rte.ie

5 minutes and job done! Do it!

I am disgusted that RTE, as a public broadcaster has given in to the demands of members of the Iona Institute.

What Rory O'Neill said was absolutely correct and in context. €85000 has been taken from the tax paying public because Mr Waters, Ms O'Brien and co did not like being shown the mirror.

Would you pay out if threatened with legal action from David Cameron because he was referred to as the British Prime Minister on RTE?

My email to Iona was better. Should have written this at a time when I'd had less wine with dinner.

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 07:54PM

No

efb wrote: »

I think if I see smug David on my TV I'll smash it, so I'll watch Netflix on it instead Bridegroom maybe???

No watch it! There is something perversely fun about watching someone who is such a f*%%wit.

J_E · 06-02-2014 07:59PM

No

efb wrote: »

I think the phrase 'the gays' has been adopted by the gay community tongue in cheek to diffuse it.

Well I avoid using it except in certain contexts. It's the kind of language that's like 'the blacks', trying to create this notion that we're all in some sort of secret club, a 'gay lobby'

eorpach · 06-02-2014 08:02PM

Links234 wrote: »

I'm going to complain about him being on RTE again, we should do so every time he is from this point onwards. He should have no business being given a platform ever again.

Since every individual in a democracy has a right of access to a national broadcaster, a complaint about the appearance of an individual themselves will not stand up;

A more suitable tact would be a complaint on the basis that a privately-funded lobby group (Lolek Limited t/a "The Iona Institute") is having a disproportionate degree of access to the general public, to the detriment of RTÉ's statutory obligations to ensure plurality of thought and opinion.

It would then be useful to name (by date and station), all of the occasions on which Lolek Limited have had a spokesperson as an "panel expert" on RTÉ recently.

By my count (since Rory O'Neill's original Saturday Night Show interview), this has numbered at least 3:

- The Late Debate, RTÉ Radio 1, 29 Jan 2014: Breda O'Brien (Iona)
- The Late Debate, RTÉ Radio 1, 29 Jan 2014: John Murray (Iona)
- Prime Time, RTÉ 1, 6 Feb 2014: David Quinn (Iona)

In addition, Iona were invited to participate in a debate on The Saturday Night Show on 1 February, but declined. There may be more?

The Broadcasting Authority can consider complaints against any programme, as aired, where a complainant believes that the requirements of the Broadcasting Act and/or the BAI’s broadcasting codes have been breached.

Kiwi in IE · 06-02-2014 08:06PM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Well I avoid using it except in certain contexts. It's the kind of language that's like 'the blacks', trying to create this notion that we're all in some sort of secret club, a 'gay lobby'

That was my point really efb. I am aware I have no business telling groups that I don't belong to what they should or should not refer to themselves as I quite like being called a 'Kiwi'. I just think that the prefix 'The' prior to gays, blacks, women, foreigners etc, immediately shows prejudice.

RobertKK · 06-02-2014 08:11PM

The amount of hate in this thread does the LGBTIQ people no favours.

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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