Is this a motoring offence?

Spook_ie · 06-02-2014 09:49AM

keithclancy wrote: »

I would slow down simply because you don't know whats under the water.
Could be a massive pothole like in your video.

In that case you'd be better off parking up when ever it rains, because regardless of speed you find one like that and you're in "deep" trouble.

keithclancy · 06-02-2014 10:10AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

In that case you'd be better off parking up when ever it rains, because regardless of speed you find one like that and you're in "deep" trouble.

Obviously you slow down so you can safely avoid them, not so you can drive into them slowly.

e.g. I wouldn't slow down so I can run over pedestrians more slowly :rolleyes:

Spook_ie · 06-02-2014 10:31AM

keithclancy wrote: »

Obviously you slow down so you can safely avoid them, not so you can drive into them slowly.

e.g. I wouldn't slow down so I can run over pedestrians more slowly :rolleyes:

So you would drive on the footpath to avoid driving slowly through a puddle then, just in case?

Anyway back on topic

Veloce wrote: »

I'll just leave this here:

That would definately be an offence and I think it's actually the one they got prosecuted for, can't remember if it was a driving offence or an assault offence though, anybody?

EDIT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220013/Driver-faces-prosecution-deliberately-soaking-children-puddles--posting-video-online.html
Possible charge of reckless driving according to The Mail

keithclancy · 06-02-2014 10:40AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

So you would drive on the footpath to avoid driving slowly through a puddle then, just in case?

No the footpath is for feet. :rolleyes:

MadYaker · 06-02-2014 10:55AM

I blame the gubbermint!

Spook_ie · 06-02-2014 10:57AM

keithclancy wrote: »

No the footpath is for feet. :rolleyes:

So as said before, if you came upon a puddle stretching across the road you'd park up then? or take a detour? just in case

ciotog · 06-02-2014 11:11AM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

OK, let's see.

They should have seen the puddle and oncoming car and made sure they moved out of the way, since the driver obviously has more important things on his mind and cannot be expected to look out for puddles as well! Besides a car should have priority on the road and obviously is far too important to change his speed or heading to suit lowly lifeforms such as pedestrians.
Since he drives a car, he is obviously an important person who clearly outranks pedestrians, who should marvel at his driving prowess and be in awe of his gleaming driving machine. Especially if he is an excellent driver.

Best I can do.

You can't leave out that they should've been wearing hi-vis. Clearly the driver couldn't see them.

keithclancy · 06-02-2014 11:12AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

So as said before, if you came upon a puddle stretching across the road you'd park up then? or take a detour? just in case

Well if its stretching across the road then I definitely wouldn't go through it at speed. 10-15km/h maximum.

I'm talking about resting water at the side of the road, just reduce your speed and go around it without endangering traffic on the other side of the road, while also checking your blind spot to make sure someone on a moped/bicycle or even a car is not trying to overtake you at the same time.

EazyD · 06-02-2014 11:19AM

Spook_ie wrote: »

So as said before, if you came upon a puddle stretching across the road you'd park up then? or take a detour? just in case

No, you slow down when passing through it to minimise the chance of kicking water up. It's called logic.

MarkR · 06-02-2014 11:38AM

Sure they don't even pay road tax, Joe.

Tea 1000 · 06-02-2014 12:09PM

bmstuff wrote: »

What do you do in that case, slam the brakes and cause the car behind you to rear end you?
Or do you deport yourself to the other lane very quickly and cause an accident possibly too.
Hard to see the puddles of water sometimes and impossible to predict how deep it is.

Sorry but this is only water, it was probably not done maliciously, try to prove it otherwise.
As you stand on a footpath ready to cross the road and it rains like hell, just use half your brain to stay away from the big puddle of water.

If you think your only option is to slam the brakes then you don't drive with due care and attention.

bmstuff wrote: »

I am an excellent driver thanks and i do not do that, I drive on dublin quays each day and I am conscious of that, all I am saying is that you can not always see a big puddle due to their physical nature and you might have someone sticking to your arse. Sorry but between getting someone wet and writting my car off and causing a road accident with physical injury my choice is quickly made.
Let's be real and let stop this stupid inquisition.

Everyone who says this actually isn't. If you think you're excellent, then you simply don't know where you're not up to scratch, therefore you're probably not great at all.

Sobanek · 06-02-2014 12:30PM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Everyone who says this actually isn't. If you think you're excellent, then you simply don't know where you're not up to scratch, therefore you're probably not great at all.

Everyone including yourself, myself, bmstuff and every single motorist is a rubbish driver.

Happy now?

Considering the amount of pure IDIOCY I see on the roads everyday, I DO for one consider myself to be an ok driver - not excellent by any means, but not bad or average.

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-02-2014 12:48PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

So as said before, if you came upon a puddle stretching across the road you'd park up then? or take a detour? just in case

I have never managed to splash pedestrians so far.
Not saying it never will happen, because so far I have managed to spot them all, but it's always possible I might overlook a puddle.
But you seem to think that coming upon puddles one should always bean through them at full tilt and not take pedestrians into account.

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-02-2014 12:53PM

Always reminds me: :P

stoneill · 06-02-2014 12:57PM

bmstuff wrote: »

What do you do in that case, slam the brakes and cause the car behind you to rear end you?
Or do you deport yourself to the other lane very quickly and cause an accident possibly too.
Hard to see the puddles of water sometimes and impossible to predict how deep it is.

Sorry but this is only water, it was probably not done maliciously, try to prove it otherwise.
As you stand on a footpath ready to cross the road and it rains like hell, just use half your brain to stay away from the big puddle of water.

Jaysus - are you serious?

No Pants · 06-02-2014 01:57PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

So as said before, if you came upon a puddle stretching across the road you'd park up then? or take a detour? just in case

That's called a flood. I've come across some of them recently at the Malahide estuary. Drive through them slowly, using the middle/highest part of the road, with the consent of traffic from the opposite direction.

Haven't splashed a pedestrian yet.

wonski · 06-02-2014 02:08PM

Never splashed any pedestrians, there could be genuine situations when a driver had no chance to avoid this, but in most cases you can just slow down and crawl through the water to make sure the pedestrians are "safe" if you can't move to the right side of the road.
Also when i am out walking and see standing water i always move to the side of the footpath just in case the driver is an ignorant a**.
Pedestrians have to be aware of the surroundings too, especially in current weather.

Spook_ie · 06-02-2014 02:09PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I have never managed to splash pedestrians so far.
Not saying it never will happen, because so far I have managed to spot them all, but it's always possible I might overlook a puddle.
But you seem to think that coming upon puddles one should always bean through them at full tilt and not take pedestrians into account.

Would you like to quote whichever post that you reckon i said that in?

Bits_n_Bobs · 06-02-2014 02:13PM

RosieJoe wrote: »

If you were a half decent driver with any sort of driving skills that meant you were aware of hazards in front of you, you would never need to slam on the brakes or swerve because of a stationary puddle! It's not as if it jumped out in front of you!

Dude if you're half as good a driver as me you can get the car to leap over the puddle like a flying pig with the force. If people don't have enough of the force they shouldn't be allowed to drive. From what you wrote you lack enough force and should be banned from driving. And probably operating trollies around shops as well, you sound like a bloody menace....

Spook_ie · 06-02-2014 02:15PM

No Pants wrote: »

That's called a flood. I've come across some of them recently at the Malahide estuary. Drive through them slowly, using the middle/highest part of the road, with the consent of traffic from the opposite direction.

Haven't splashed a pedestrian yet.

Jeeze, two puddles joining up do not make a flood

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-02-2014 02:19PM

stoneill wrote: »

Jaysus - are you serious?

It's time to ditch the thread. Or even Boards. Maybe the internet altogether. Nah, make that the human race.
There is a certain creature that inhabits motors these days, usually prone to making an argument which doesn't actually reflect their own opinion purely for the purpose of causing a row.
As soon as someone argues that purposely splashing pedestrians (and I don't buy your can't see it/can't slow down crap for one second) is perfectly alright, you know what you're dealing with, you know that your arguments will be ignored and all you will get is more obnoxiousness.
I sometimes make the mistake of trying to argue, which has gotten me on more ignore lists than I care to mention and banned on several occasions.
The difference is that I argue for what I believe in, which is the wrong strategy and gets you banned and ignored, because people don't like coherent and intelligent arguments. They want to be obnoxious and ignorant. That is perfectly OK nowadays.
I simply pity the poor fools who come here and post a question, expecting a serious answer.
A million monkeys bashing away on typewriters could theoretically create the greatest novel ever written, the internet has disproved that theory.

Tea 1000 · 06-02-2014 04:22PM

Sobanek wrote: »

Everyone including yourself, myself, bmstuff and every single motorist is a rubbish driver.

Happy now?

Considering the amount of pure IDIOCY I see on the roads everyday, I DO for one consider myself to be an ok driver - not excellent by any means, but not bad or average.

In fairness, it's not about me being happy. There are two drivers on this planet who can categorically state that they are excellent drivers. Both of them have a first name of "Sebastian". Anyone else who claims to be excellent needs to benchmark themselves from these gents first.
If I claimed to be an excellent footballer in the soccer forum, you can be sure I'd be shot down fairly quickly if my name wasn't Messi!

keithclancy · 06-02-2014 04:32PM

Spook_ie wrote: »

Jeeze, two puddles joining up do not make a flood

There should be a camber on the road from the middle.
Meaning if there's enough water to cover the entire road, the footpath is probably covered as well.

Del2005 · 06-02-2014 04:35PM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

In fairness, it's not about me being happy. There are two drivers on this planet who can categorically state that they are excellent drivers. Both of them have a first name of "Sebastian". Anyone else who claims to be excellent needs to benchmark themselves from these gents first.
If I claimed to be an excellent footballer in the soccer forum, you can be sure I'd be shot down fairly quickly if my name wasn't Messi!

Being able to drive around a track or closed road fast does not make you an excellent road driver.

Tea 1000 · 06-02-2014 04:46PM

Del2005 wrote: »

Being able to drive around a track or closed road fast does not make you an excellent road driver.

I didn't say that. I said that the two Sebastian's are excellent drivers.

H3llR4iser · 06-02-2014 04:56PM

lovelyhurler wrote: »

Hopefully this is the right forum.

Anyway, walking along the footpath. There's a mother and child about 20m or so in front of me. Large volume of water alongside the path due to recent bad weather.
Along comes a car, and drives straight into the standing water and completely drenches - and I mean completely drenches - the mother and child.
The driver made NO attempt whatsoever to avoid the standing water.
I got the reg of the car no bother.
Now, I'm convinced that this is an offence, and if the woman involved wants to report it I can give her the reg number.
I'm sure that I've heard of people being prosecuted for this sort of behavior. Or am I just dreaming.

That sort of driving and ignorance of others around you does my head in.

Any opinions?????

To be fully honest, I have no idea - there are probably the extremes to configure it as a violation (undue care et all); I'm also not sure it would be worth the hassle: maybe the mom in question would have gained more satisfaction from hurling some well thought, bloodcurling profanity at said driver :P

The REAL problem, however, is that this kind of behaviour is absolutely prevalent in Ireland; I see it everywhere - Dublin, Cork, Limerick, no difference: drivers simply ignore, or decide to ignore, the fact that passing in a puddle at speed will spray water on everything and everybody around.

The anomaly is the driver actually slowing down and avoiding the puddle...try it: slow down and/or move a bit out of the left edge of the road to avoid splashing somebody walking, and look at their reaction; "joy and surprise" would probably describe it.

I have never seen anything like this anywhere else; More surprising even is the fact that being the climate what it is, you'd expect Irish motorists to be extremely well accustomed to the tricks and caveats of driving in wet conditions.

lovelyhurler · 06-02-2014 05:03PM

I have never seen anything like this anywhere else; More surprising even is the fact that being the climate what it is, you'd expect Irish motorists to be extremely well accustomed to the tricks and caveats of driving in wet conditions.

You would think alright.
Sure, we cant even manage to drive properly on motorways - let alone when they're wet (that's a whole other threads discussion ;-) ).

Cienciano · 06-02-2014 05:18PM

bmstuff wrote: »

I am an excellent driver thanks and i do not do that, I drive on dublin quays each day and I am conscious of that, all I am saying is that you can not always see a big puddle due to their physical nature and you might have someone sticking to your arse. Sorry but between getting someone wet and writting my car off and causing a road accident with physical injury my choice is quickly made.
Let's be real and let stop this stupid inquisition.

If you can't see a big puddle in time to brake easily to slow down, it either means you're not paying attention or you're driving up the arse of the guy in front.
No matter what the reason, an "excellent driver" wouldn't do it, so you definitely not one.

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-02-2014 10:51PM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

In fairness, it's not about me being happy. There are two drivers on this planet who can categorically state that they are excellent drivers. Both of them have a first name of "Sebastian". Anyone else who claims to be excellent needs to benchmark themselves from these gents first.
If I claimed to be an excellent footballer in the soccer forum, you can be sure I'd be shot down fairly quickly if my name wasn't Messi!

Don't you mean Sebastian and Michael?

dr.fuzzenstein · 06-02-2014 11:00PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

To be fully honest, I have no idea - there are probably the extremes to configure it as a violation (undue care et all); I'm also not sure it would be worth the hassle: maybe the mom in question would have gained more satisfaction from hurling some well thought, bloodcurling profanity at said driver :P

The REAL problem, however, is that this kind of behaviour is absolutely prevalent in Ireland; I see it everywhere - Dublin, Cork, Limerick, no difference: drivers simply ignore, or decide to ignore, the fact that passing in a puddle at speed will spray water on everything and everybody around.

The anomaly is the driver actually slowing down and avoiding the puddle...try it: slow down and/or move a bit out of the left edge of the road to avoid splashing somebody walking, and look at their reaction; "joy and surprise" would probably describe it.

I have never seen anything like this anywhere else; More surprising even is the fact that being the climate what it is, you'd expect Irish motorists to be extremely well accustomed to the tricks and caveats of driving in wet conditions.

They also ignore lane discipline, red lights, double yellows, see clamping as a sort of dare, speed limits as advisory, any sort of law enforcement as something to be beaten rather than obeyed, traffic signs as decoration, the NCT as a nuisance, driving licences as optional, tax something to be dodged, in short, Ireland is a giant bumper car track to many people.
The Irish would go out of their way to break petty rules, but would never openly and publicly stand up for big matters of principle in case the neighbours might see them and there is a chance of embarrassment.
So we just spray people, park in P&C spaces and break any other little rule we possibly can as long as no one sees us.

Is this a motoring offence?

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