Profit on a pack of cigarettes

rubadub · 05-02-2014 02:11PM

murpho999 wrote: »

On Henry St it's about 100%

I can't remember all the figures but I remember thinking they made very little.

I had mates working in the canaries, getting people into bars, they knew others who would work doing the same, save up cash, buy smokes smuggle back to home and sell to the street dealers here.

This was about 15-17 years ago, for some reason shops are poorly policed over there, crackheads would steal 200 cartons from supermarkets, little protection as they are cheap. They would sell to these workers who brought them back.

I think a carton was £10-12 from the thieves & €15-16 to the moore street guys. I think they sold on moore street for £2 a 20 pack, so maybe 50p profit per pack. You could buy cheaper brands in shops but they were harder to shift so they stuck with thieves.

Smuggling dangerous counterfeit tobacco is still viewed as a fairly harmless crime here, so very enticing. While you hear of cannabis smugglers "devastating families & society", its like something off southpark.

I knew guys in newsagents here saying they only had them to get customers in.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 05-02-2014 03:01PM

I worked in an off licence years ago we done a stock check every month but never counted the cigarettes and when I asked why, I was told that the profit was so small on a packet that it wasn't worth including them in a stock take. They sold them purely as a convenience for people buying alcohol but made very little on them.

06-02-2014 05:27AM

The Dagda wrote: »

The undertakers?

Eh? Non smokers get buried twice or what?

Rabies · 06-02-2014 07:32AM

Dean0088 wrote: »

Used to work in retail.

Shops make feck all per pack in comparison to the price. Around 30-50c depending on the brand - those stupid cigarettes aimed at women have a good margin of over 70c (Vogue I think they're called). If the shop has a machine behind the counter, then they don't actually own the cigarettes, the suppliers does, and they earn a per-pack commission.

However, the amount of people that smoke is insane. I was genuinely surprised when I went into working in a shop just how much we sold. At least 15 packs an hour. So, that 50c a pack would pay for a good bulk of the wages of the person on the till. So, in one way, shops couldn't do without them.

But if you get them from a guy and sell them yourself.... well... you could make a mint.

A lot of people switched to rolling tobacco recently, which don't go in the machines. Those pouches actually have a higher margin on them at retail price. For a 25g pouch of Amber Leaf we were making over a euro. But, people generally roll thinner cigarettes with them and buy less. However, they also buy Rizlas and filters which again have a high margin. We were selling the skins for 40c a pack (compared to the local competition who were charging 80c!!) in order to get the customers in the door. Once in, they'd buy their tobaccos as well along with the milk, bread etc... It's amazing how smokers will go out of their way to save an extra 40c and give their custom to a shop that isn't ripping them off.

How does it work with bars and clubs that sell ciggs?

I know cigg companies pay bars over here to install machines or sell packets from the back of the bar. Usually its a $12k a year for an average size bar from what I hear, its paid monthly too.

Stavros Murphy · 06-02-2014 07:40AM

Grandeeod wrote: »

I live in the Canary Islands and travel back to Dublin regularly. On my last three visits I only had hand luggage. At customs they ask what flight I came off and then search my bag. You can buy 200 cigs out here for as low as 15 euro and it is a very well known destination for smuggling tobacco back into Ireland. Parts of eastern Europe are the same.

I got that far, was consumed by jealousy and the rest was a green-eyed blur. You lucky sucker.

Stavros Murphy · 06-02-2014 07:48AM

LuvinLunch wrote: »

Thanks a million for all your responses. Really helpful. Dinny76 that's exactly what I was looking for. ConorHal, hate to upset you but the reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a project to make Trinity College a tobacco free campus. That's no smoking inside or out. I'm sure you've something to say about that!

You're a great Lad! You should go into Politics. There's loads of other people just like you in that game. You can ban other stuff too, like people walking without a hard-hat. Make safety goggles compulsory, stuff like that. You can bristle with righteous indignation at people drinking alcohol(I'm sure you don't) and tax the feck out of nail-polish remover due to the harmful effects of the fumes. We need more people like you

to emigrate.

cloud493 · 06-02-2014 08:15AM

78% tax :eek: daylight robbery.

sawdoubters · 06-02-2014 08:40AM

in the Philippians a pack of Marlboro are 15 cents

the_syco · 06-02-2014 08:43AM

LuvinLunch wrote: »

ConorHal, hate to upset you but the reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a project to make Trinity College a tobacco free campus. That's no smoking inside or out. I'm sure you've something to say about that!

It'll just mean the smokers will go en masse to certain entry points to smoke. Many will be reminded of their post-primary days, and find places to smoke on campus. It's a large campus, so there'll be a few chubby holes that people will be able to smoke.

Roger Hassenforder · 06-02-2014 09:46AM

Ive a win-win idea:
if all the smokers could **** off to some place, i dunno, like the Aran Islands, with the help of some new bye laws, allow you to smoke as much as you want, where you want.
You could also set VAT and tax rates that would pay for a health service to provide the appropriate care (without clogging up our health services for proper patients), so when youre lying in your hospital bed, aged 60, with your gangrenous legs rotting off you, you can think of how you stuck it to the man...

conorhal · 06-02-2014 09:58AM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Ive a win-win idea:
if all the smokers could **** off to some place, i dunno, like the Aran Islands, with the help of some new bye laws, allow you to smoke as much as you want, where you want.
You could also set VAT and tax rates that would pay for a health service to provide the appropriate care (without clogging up our health services for proper patients), so when youre lying in your hospital bed, aged 60, with your gangrenous legs rotting off you, you can think of how you stuck it to the man...

Jesus the bang of sanctimony off this post is so strong that it's pushed me straight to a 'goodwin', given that it barely stops short of adding gas ovens to that island scenerio and a 'if they like smoke so much they may as well go up in it, goodenoughfor'em!'

conorhal · 06-02-2014 10:03AM

cloud493 wrote: »

78% tax :eek: daylight robbery.

And if you tolerate this, then your pint of beer will be next....

EuropeanSon · 06-02-2014 10:32AM

LuvinLunch wrote: »

Thanks a million for all your responses. Really helpful. Dinny76 that's exactly what I was looking for. ConorHal, hate to upset you but the reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a project to make Trinity College a tobacco free campus. That's no smoking inside or out. I'm sure you've something to say about that!

Oh dear, you're one of those.

This is one resolution I'll be voting on, and I'll be voting no, as a non smoker who doesn't want a quarter (rough estimate) of the college population to be treated like criminals just because some people are mildly inconvenienced by the smell of smoke.

oceanman · 06-02-2014 11:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

You're not contemplating joining those idiots on Moore Street, are you?

I know one or two of those 'idiots' on moore street and I can tell you they do quite nicely selling cigarettes!

ArmaniJeanss · 06-02-2014 11:18AM

LuvinLunch wrote: »

ConorHal, hate to upset you but the reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a project to make Trinity College a tobacco free campus. That's no smoking inside or out. I'm sure you've something to say about that!

Sure if you need anymore help with your project give us a shout and we'll see what we can do.

WilyCoyote · 06-02-2014 11:35AM

LuvinLunch wrote: »

Thanks a million for all your responses. Really helpful. Dinny76 that's exactly what I was looking for. ConorHal, hate to upset you but the reason I'm asking is because I'm working on a project to make Trinity College a tobacco free campus. That's no smoking inside or out. I'm sure you've something to say about that!

Why on earth do that? I mean Trinity already benefits from government dosh ...... it's like biting the hand that feeds etc.

Could ye not ban something else instead. Like farts. I find these repugnant (except my own, of course). This whole PC thing is gone crazy. I wonder what an old alumni like Oliver Goldsmith would have thought?

Next you'll be saying is that the mild euphoric feeling that you get while engaged in a long philosophic discussion with a bunch of Ming adherents is dangerous to the nostrils.

Roll a big one, light up and chill!

rubadub · 06-02-2014 11:39AM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

just because some people are mildly inconvenienced by the smell of smoke.

"just?" do you really think this is the sole reason people want it banned?!?

The_Pretender · 06-02-2014 11:48AM

rubadub wrote: »

"just?" do you really think this is the sole reason people want it banned?!?

I'd imagine it's the main reason, so they don't have to walk through clouds of smoke going in and out of buildings. Unless it's the health of the smokers they're concerned about as well?

the_syco · 06-02-2014 01:19PM

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

if all the smokers could **** off to some place, i dunno, like the Aran Islands, with the help of some new bye laws, allow you to smoke as much as you want, where you want.

Ireland would end up with a lot less doctors, and a couple of high stress jobs shall find themselves wanting to be filled. And before someone chimes in that there are thousands unemployed, most wouldn't be qualified for them, and those that are know that they're stressful jobs...

runawaybishop · 06-02-2014 02:08PM

The_Pretender wrote: »

I'd imagine it's the main reason, so they don't have to walk through clouds of smoke going in and out of buildings. Unless it's the health of the smokers they're concerned about as well?

Right, they want to be able to inhale the clean air of the city.

JJJJNR · 06-02-2014 02:10PM

The Dagda wrote: »

For who?

The manufacturers?

The distributors?

The wholesalers?

The retailers?

The undertakers?

The government?

Or all of the above?

And the healthcare sector..

Roger Hassenforder · 06-02-2014 03:07PM

the_syco wrote: »

Ireland would end up with a lot less doctors, and a couple of high stress jobs shall find themselves wanting to be filled. And before someone chimes in that there are thousands unemployed, most wouldn't be qualified for them, and those that are know that they're stressful jobs...

We wouldnt need all those doctors if the smokers fecked off...

The_Pretender · 06-02-2014 03:11PM

runawaybishop wrote: »

Right, they want to be able to inhale the clean air of the city.

I'm actually not in favour of it, I'm just questioning what other reasons there are for it.

runawaybishop · 06-02-2014 03:12PM

The_Pretender wrote: »

I'm actually not in favour of it, I'm just questioning what other reasons there are for it.

Thats ok, i wasn't being serious

The usual reason is that its bad for non smokers health.

EuropeanSon · 06-02-2014 03:49PM

rubadub wrote: »

"just?" do you really think this is the sole reason people want it banned?!?

Of course not. I know there are other reasons, like the SU officers wanting to have some sort of achievement to stick on their CVs to show their year wasn't wasted.

ScouseMouse · 06-02-2014 03:59PM

Profit to a shop, on a packet of 20 john player blue, is 81c

conorhal · 09-02-2014 06:07PM

EuropeanSon wrote: »

Of course not. I know there are other reasons, like the SU officers wanting to have some sort of achievement to stick on their CVs to show their year wasn't wasted.

Sure drink is just as, if not more, harmful to students health but I don't hear the SU demanding that on campus bars like the Pav of the Buttery be closed down. Do Trinners still indulge in a bit of binge drinking promotion with the yard of ale contest each freshers week?

SamAK · 09-02-2014 06:17PM

conorhal wrote: »

That's pretty shocking isn't it.

I loathe 'lifestyle taxation hikes' in general because I tend to percieve them as either the petty meddling of your 'betters' who think that you need to be treated like a child

I disagree with the 'lifestyle' claim. People do not smoke by choice, it's an addiction. A horribly powerful and deceptive one.

Smokers can try and justify it all they want but.....nah, i'm not buying that 'it's my choice so leave me alone Mr. Government' bollix. It's not a choice at all!

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