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Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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  • #1892
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I know men who have been attacked, they are heterosexual, if they had been homosexual, it would have been put down as a homophobic attack.
    That is just how it goes, some people feel like victims for something that might not necessarily be the case.
    Trust me, you know if it was a homophobic attack or a random one. I've been attacked randomly at times when I know it was just a bunch of idiots, but I also know when it was specifically targeted at me for some reason.


  • #1893
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Taco Chips wrote: »
    Were they attacked specifically for being heterosexual? If not then it's an invalid comparison and you know it.
    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    Can't tell if trolling or really this unpleasant.
    Xaniaj wrote: »
    You're just being factitious now. No one is suggesting that all attacks against homosexuals are homophobic attacks however if the reason for the attack is the person's sexuality, then yes, that is a homophobic attack.
    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Trust me, you know if it was a homophobic attack or a random one. I've been attacked randomly at times when I know it was just a bunch of idiots, but I also know when it was specifically targeted at me for some reason.

    I was reading the comments posted about Paddy Manning and was replying to that, I missed VinB last night but I read one post where it says he was attacked, but he did not deem it to be homophobic and it seems he was deemed wrong in saying that according to one person at least.


  • #1894
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    efb wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/independent_ie/status/431012594930171904

    If that was a schoolgirl abused by a teacher, they would have let it go to the European courts of justice...


  • #1895
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was reading the comments posted about Paddy Manning and was replying to that, I missed VinB last night but I read one post where it says he was attacked, but he did not deem it to be homophobic and it seems he was deemed wrong in saying that according to one person at least.

    Here is a mad idea.

    The debate is available on Tv3's player. Why don't you actually watch it and then comment...


  • #1896
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was reading the comments posted about Paddy Manning and was replying to that, I missed VinB last night but I read one post where it says he was attacked, but he did not deem it to be homophobic and it seems he was deemed wrong in saying that according to one person at least.
    I'll be honest. Paddy sounds like he is one of these people who is so desperate to affiliate with a particular political label that he will play down his own experiences and try to discredit himself, to gain attention and pats on the backs from his 'friends'. Just got to quote this again because of how excellent it is, and it relates to anyone who tries to fit their views into a nice neat political label;

    @strictlyobiter: Depressing how some gay ppl think they must be a plus royaliste que le roi social conservative to gain acceptance by those they esteem #vinb

    RobertKK wrote: »
    If that was a schoolgirl abused by a teacher, they would have let it go to the European courts of justice...
    Not sure what your point is?


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  • #1897
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No
    Cydoniac wrote: »



    Not sure what your point is?

    Classic whataboutery m'thinks.


  • #1898
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Here is a mad idea.

    The debate is available on Tv3's player. Why don't you actually watch it and then comment...

    So I should just ignore your comments is what you are actually saying as I shouldn't believe it when you commented on Paddy Manning?


  • #1899
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    So I should just ignore your comments is what you are actually saying as I shouldn't believe it when you commented on Paddy Manning?
    You are holding a discussion on something you haven't even watched. If you watch it, it'll only help you out.

    http://www.tv3.ie/3player/show/41/75763/1/Tonight-with-Vincent-Browne

    See you in an hour!


  • #1900
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    So I should just ignore your comments is what you are actually saying as I shouldn't believe it when you commented on Paddy Manning?

    No. You should actually know what you are talking about.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1901
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    I'll be honest. Paddy sounds like he is one of these people who is so desperate to affiliate with a particular political label that he will play down his own experiences and try to discredit himself, to gain attention and pats on the backs from his 'friends'. Just got to quote this again because of how excellent it is, and it relates to anyone who tries to fit their views into a nice neat political label;

    @strictlyobiter: Depressing how some gay ppl think they must be a plus royaliste que le roi social conservative to gain acceptance by those they esteem #vinb



    Not sure what your point is?

    So all gay people have to be put in a box that is named liberal?

    My point is, if the state was directly involved, they wouldn't be acting so fast to bring people in to hearings.
    The irony is they would have their senior counsel telling them to fight the case and then eventually lose...


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  • #1902
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Yep - whataboutery

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1903
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    So all gay people have to be put in a box that is named liberal?

    My point is, if the state was directly involved, they wouldn't be acting so fast to bring people in to hearings.
    The irony is they would have their senior counsel telling them to fight the case and then eventually lose...
    That's not what I said. Please don't misinterpret me like that. I think it was fairly obvious what I meant.


  • #1904
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    mango salsa wrote: »
    No. You should actually know what you are talking about.

    I think the answer is yes, otherwise replying to what people post here means they can't be believed and they themselves have made it up.


  • #1905
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    So I should just ignore your comments is what you are actually saying as I shouldn't believe it when you commented on Paddy Manning?

    Did you see the debate?

    No.

    Did I see the Debate?

    Yes.

    Have I seen what I am commenting on?

    Yes.

    Have you seen what you are commenting on?

    No.

    Ignore me if you wish but realise that few will take your comments on board when you have admitted you haven't seen the debate.


  • #1906
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    That's not what I said. Please don't misinterpret me like that. I think it was fairly obvious what I meant.

    But it does seem from the gay lobby, that all gay people have to be liberal, have to be pro-SSM or they are somehow ostracised given how Paddy Manning is treated for opposing it.


  • #1907
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Did you see the debate?

    No.

    Did I see the Debate?

    Yes.

    Have I seen what I am commenting on?

    Yes.

    Have you seen what you are commenting on?

    No.

    Ignore me if you wish but realise that few will take your comments on board when you have admitted you haven't seen the debate.

    I was commenting on your reply, not the program.


  • #1908
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    But it does seem from the gay lobby, that all gay people have to be liberal, have to be pro-SSM or they are somehow ostracised given how Paddy Manning is treated for opposing it.

    The Gay Lobby is closed due to flooding.

    We have all moved to the Gay Amphitheatre.


  • #1909
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I think the answer is yes, otherwise replying to what people post here means they can't be believed and they themselves have made it up.

    I didnt ask a question.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1910
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    The Gay Lobby is closed due to flooding.

    We have all moved to the Gay Amphitheatre.

    lol ok, but that ignores the point.


  • #1911
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I was commenting on your reply, not the program.

    Watch the d'jam programme for fecks sake and then we can have a discussion.

    I'm too d'jam old to play school yard games of 'I said/He said'.


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  • #1912
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    mango salsa wrote: »
    I didnt ask a question.

    As you do say and this to your own reply... "Yep - whataboutery"


  • #1913
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    The Gay Lobby is closed due to flooding.

    We have all moved to the Gay Amphitheatre.

    Do they have copies of the homosexual agenda there?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1914
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    As you do say and this to your own reply... "Yep - whataboutery"

    You're not making any sense now

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1915
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Watch the d'jam programme for fecks sake and then we can have a discussion.

    I'm too d'jam old to play school yard games of 'I said/He said'.

    I don't have time to watch TV.

    I watched about 2 hours of TV in the last week, due to work, visiting hospital, sleep and looking after myself.


  • #1916
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    mango salsa wrote: »
    You're not making any sense now

    That is what I feel about your reply "Yep - whataboutery".


  • #1917
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No
    mango salsa wrote: »
    Do they have copies of the homosexual agenda there?

    Using those instead of sandbags.


  • #1918
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I don't have time to watch TV.

    I watched about 2 hours of TV in the last week, due to work, visiting hospital, sleep and looking after myself.
    Right ok fine.
    You don't know what you are talking about.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #1919
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    But it does seem from the gay lobby, that all gay people have to be liberal, have to be pro-SSM or they are somehow ostracised given how Paddy Manning is treated for opposing it.
    I made a very clear point, that it was my impression that people like Paddy is discrediting his own experience as a gay man, to aspire for acceptance and credit from a specific group he esteems. I hate this conservative vs liberal stance, it is so close minded and just detracts from the argument. Why not give your own opinion on something? Why do you claim homophobia doesn't exist even when you acknowledge it exists?
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I don't have time to watch TV.

    I watched about 2 hours of TV in the last week, due to work, visiting hospital, sleep and looking after myself.
    Then I suggest you move onto a different subject because you're not really equipped to discuss this one. You better get off Boards too, all that idle time.


  • #1920
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Bannasidhe wrote: »
    Using those instead of sandbags.

    Was all the flooding Gods anger at Panti?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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  • #1921
    Bannasidhe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,218 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I don't have time to watch TV.

    I watched about 2 hours of TV in the last week, due to work, visiting hospital, sleep and looking after myself.

    Then it makes it very difficult for us to discuss the contents of a TV programme with you.


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