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Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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  • #1742
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    No
    How noble of you, denying rights to others for the sake of the species.


  • #1743
    Taco Chips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Taco Chips


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    I think we can see by the few hysterical replies to my first comment on this subject how there can never be a rational 'debate' in this country.

    Liberals want to shut down the debate and shout and scream at anyone who chooses to disagree with them.

    Astonishing view point. It's been show time and time again that the only people trying to shut down debate and stamp and scream when things don't go their way are the Iona crowd. You're being wilfully obtuse to not acknowledge this. Who went crying to their solicitors as soon as they got a taste of their own medicine. After years of sickening abuse, put downs and racks of "opinion" pieces defaming LGBTQ people in this country they were called out for what they were doing and didn't like it. Well tough. It's time they were answered back to.


  • #1744
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Taco Chips wrote: »
    Astonishing view point. It's been show time and time again that the only people trying to shut down debate and stamp and scream when things don't go their way are the Iona crowd. You're being wilfully obtuse to not acknowledge this. Who went crying to their solicitors as soon as they got a taste of their own medicine. After years of sickening abuse, put downs and racks of "opinion" pieces defaming LGBTQ people in this country they were called out for what they were doing and didn't like it. Well tough. It's time they were answered back to.

    A drag artist went on a cheap TV chat show and mouthed off.

    The people he mouthed off against reacted.

    The state broadcaster's top dog lawyers decided to offer money in order to avoid a court case.


  • #1745
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No
    136,000 views for Panti at the Abbey


  • #1746
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Sarky wrote: »
    How noble of you, denying rights to others for the sake of the species.

    Am I not allowed to make that point?

    Do you want to shout me down on that too?


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  • #1747
    drquirky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    The IONA institute are as entitled to hold their views as much as any PC brigade loving liberal or group of liberals.

    The last time I looked, this wasn't north Korea.

    Yup- they do and I have the right to call them what they are, which is a bunch of homophobic dickwads.


  • #1748
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    A drag artist went on a cheap TV chat show and mouthed off.

    The people he mouthed off against reacted.

    The state broadcaster's top dog lawyers decided to offer money in order to avoid a court case.

    That's a pretty poor relation of what happened. Have you watched the segment of the show at all?


  • #1749
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Sarky wrote: »
    That's a pretty poor relation of what happened. Have you watched the segment of the show at all?

    Why did RTE's lawyers offer money to avoid a case?


  • #1750
    Taco Chips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Taco Chips


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Am I not allowed to make that point?

    Do you want to shout me down on that too?

    Who is shouting you down? You're being asked to clarify the reasoning behind your view and you can't obviously so you're complaining that you're being shouted down instead. Weak. Just like Waters, O'Brien, Quinn and the rest of that shower. Secondary school arguing tactics.


  • #1751
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    drquirky wrote: »
    Yup- they do and I have the right to call them what they are, which is a bunch of homophobic dickwads.

    You do understand the meaning of the word 'homophobic' don't you?


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  • #1752
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    You do understand the meaning of the word 'homophobic' don't you?

    There seems to be a thousand differing views on it. Define yours.


  • #1753
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Am I not allowed to make that point?

    Do you want to shout me down on that too?

    Oh you're quite allowed and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. It's a very silly point, though. Hysterical even. Lacking in even basic logic or reason. And others have the right to make that point.

    But you're perfectly entitled to make it as often as you like. Please, make it again. Maybe someone else will tell you it's a terrible point, as is their right. Isn't freedom of speech a wonderful thing?


  • #1754
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Taco Chips wrote: »
    Who is shouting you down? You're being asked to clarify the reasoning behind your view and you can't obviously so you're complaining that you're being shouted down instead. Weak. Just like Waters, O'Brien, Quinn and the rest of that shower. Secondary school arguing tactics.

    Ok then, If we must....

    Can a homosexual couple procreate?


  • #1755
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,164 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Why did RTE's lawyers offer money to avoid a case?

    Because being involved in a court case would cost more.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1756
    Skylinehead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,690 ✭✭✭✭Skylinehead


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Am I not allowed to make that point?

    Do you want to shout me down on that too?

    Who's shouting here? I only see reasoned debate from the SSM side.


  • #1757
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    EuskalHerria wrote: »
    There seems to be a thousand differing views on it. Define yours.

    That would be having a fear of homosexuals.


  • #1758
    El Guapo!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,447 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Jesus


  • #1759
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    SW wrote: »
    Because being involved in a court case would cost more.

    How would it if they were right?


  • #1760
    Taco Chips
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 565 ✭✭✭Taco Chips


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Ok then, If we must....

    Can a homosexual couple procreate?

    Unless they are infertile they can have a biological child. But that is a poor point of reason, what about heterosexual couples who can't have children? What about older couples who are past fertile age? Do we annull their marriages?

    Actually this argument has been addressed and dealt with 3 or 4 times over the last 100 odd pages of this thread. Obviously you haven't been keeping up.


  • #1761
    Coeurdepirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Ok then, If we must....

    Can a homosexual couple procreate?

    Wonderful logic, let's also prevent infertile people and the elderly from marrying.


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  • #1762
    drquirky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,866 ✭✭✭drquirky


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    Why did RTE's lawyers offer money to avoid a case?

    Because they are spineless cowards who subscribe to the "careful now" school of alter boy style fealty to the Catholic establishment.


  • #1763
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    That would be having a fear of homosexuals.
    A phobia is a fear OR aversion to someone or something. It is not the fear, but the aversion aspect of this particular phobia we are all discussing. In that respect, Iona, Waters and O'Brien are homophobic.


  • #1764
    Coeurdepirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    That would be having a fear of homosexuals.

    This is something that homophobes say when they don't want to acknowledge their bigotry. Homophobia is not a fear of homosexuals, it is an irrational hatred or dislike of homosexuals. Everyone knows this and nitpicking at terminology does not make you appear intelligent.


  • #1765
    Delirium
    Moderators Posts: 52,164 ✭✭✭✭Delirium


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    How would it if they were right?

    There are no guarantees in any courtroom. It's cheaper to pay off Water and Iona instead of paying out legal fees while the case is in progress.

    If you can read this, you're too close!



  • #1766
    Kiwi in IE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,063 ✭✭✭Kiwi in IE


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    I think we can see by the few hysterical replies to my first comment on this subject how there can never be a rational 'debate' in this country.

    Liberals want to shut down the debate and shout and scream at anyone who chooses to disagree with them.

    The Iona Institute are shutting down debate by screaming libel because someone dared to publicly state a fact. I hardly think they are liberal!

    There does not need to be a 'debate'. The opinions of those who oppose LBGT marriage are completely irrelevant. LBGT marriage is nobody's business except LBGT people who wish to get married. Nobody else is being asked to marry anyone of the same gender, therefore it does not affect anyone in opposition and they have no reason to protest it.


  • #1767
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Coeurdepirate wrote: »
    Wonderful logic, let's also prevent infertile people and the elderly from marrying.

    I'm replying to another posters question.

    Cut the hysterics.


  • #1768
    Coeurdepirate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,576 ✭✭✭Coeurdepirate


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    I'm replying to another posters question.

    Cut the hysterics.

    As we are participating in a forum, this is an open discussion.

    Funny how you nitpick at the definition of homophobia while completely misusing the word hysterics in order to shut people up.


  • #1769
    Lyaiera
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,818 ✭✭✭Lyaiera


    No
    Fr. Ned wrote: »
    That would be having a fear of homosexuals.

    But they do fear. They fear for society. And they fear for marriage. And they fear for little babies. All because of the gays. Those fear inspiring gays.

    Homophobes in every definition of the word.


  • #1770
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Coeurdepirate wrote: »
    This is something that homophobes say when they don't want to acknowledge their bigotry. Homophobia is not a fear of homosexuals, it is an irrational hatred or dislike of homosexuals. Everyone knows this and nitpicking at terminology does not make you appear intelligent.

    I have neither.



    I have gay friends and some of my other friends have gay kids.

    They're sick of the hysterical reaction too.


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  • #1771
    Fr. Ned
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,589 ✭✭✭Fr. Ned


    Coeurdepirate wrote: »
    As we are participating in a forum, this is an open discussion.

    Funny how you nitpick at the definition of homophobia while completely misusing the word hysterics in order to shut people up.

    The same way you nitpicked my answer to another poster.


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