Clare GAA discussion thread

Stationmaster · 03-02-2014 04:22PM

No chance of getting the other 3 lads to play. As it is, if Podge keeps playing football, he'll lose his starting position with the hurlers.

buck65 · 03-02-2014 06:01PM

Why the hell would they want to play football with the 31st best team in the country when they can play hurling with the best?

Football gets in the way in Clare.

Mal-Adjusted · 03-02-2014 06:45PM

buck65 wrote: »

Why the hell would they want to play football with the 31st best team in the country when they can play hurling with the best?

Football gets in the way in Clare.

As much as i hate to say it, I agree with the above. Counties are slowly but surely becoming one sport entities with the lesser sport (usually hurling) marginalized, and not just in the big footballing counties. Remember the debacle with Cavan a while ago?

As it is, no county can seriously compete in both codes other than Cork and Dublin (and when they feel like it, Galway)

windy shepard henderson · 03-02-2014 09:12PM

buck65 wrote: »

Why the hell would they want to play football with the 31st best team in the country when they can play hurling with the best?

Football gets in the way in Clare.

you havent a clue what your talking about buddy, granted we havent been the strongest at inter county in the last 8 or 9 years but thats not down to lack of good players it down to club rivalries and players putting there club before county,

quick question the last clare club to get to a senior all ireland was (A), a football club or (B) , a hurling club

if you claim to know what your talking about you should have no bother answering it , and yes it was a joke about the 3 other cratloe players but its no harm people knowing there as good at both codes

windy shepard henderson · 03-02-2014 09:32PM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

As much as i hate to say it, I agree with the above. Counties are slowly but surely becoming one sport entities with the lesser sport (usually hurling) marginalized, and not just in the big footballing counties. Remember the debacle with Cavan a while ago?

As it is, no county can seriously compete in both codes other than Cork and Dublin (and when they feel like it, Galway)

infairness no one expects clare to compete competitively too often against teams like cork and kerry but there is no reason why clare cant be one or two divisions higher then where they are at the moment the players are there to cover both codes and always have been the last few managers the footballers had all turned out to be an absolute disaster , none of clares best footballers wanted to be part of it and in most cases many droped out and in my opinion rightly so

infairness the team that was put out in the 2012 munster final was mainly made up of intermediate players and two or 3 from out side the county that would struggle to make an avrage club team here

in no way was that team the best available in the county (hurlers excluded) or at any stage last year under the mick o dwyer cash cow, what colm collins has done i a few weeks is reverse the trend, for the first time in almost 10 years the kilmurry ibricane lads are making themselves available for selection and having no problems with playing with players from rival clubs

the last time clare had as many players putting there name forward for county duty was when the footballers were a steady division 1B (nowadays division 2) team, thats the problem with clare football and how its demise to division 4 occured

sasol · 07-02-2014 11:30PM

Waterford Crystal Final
Tipp 4-22 Clare 3-11

High scoring game given the awful weather

A lot of work to do for Clare. A good deal off the pace in the second half

rambojon · 08-02-2014 04:46AM

Surely footballers will be moved to miltowns sand based pitch following the deluge

Utopia Parkway · 08-02-2014 05:08AM

buck65 wrote: »

Why the hell would they want to play football with the 31st best team in the country when they can play hurling with the best?

Football gets in the way in Clare.

Bit insulting to West Clare people I would imagine but maybe not. I'm not from that part of the world.

From Galway myself but there is a lot of pride in Galway in producing good teams in both codes during most years. They don't do well every year obviously but a lot of years both codes have genuine aspirations to win All-Ireland's. And that's through all the age grades.

Clare is a dual county as well so why not aspire to both? Granted football is very much in the shadow at the moment but a high tide can lift all boats.

Clareman · 08-02-2014 10:59AM

buck65 wrote: »

Why the hell would they want to play football with the 31st best team in the country when they can play hurling with the best?

Football gets in the way in Clare.

Sure Ennis/Senan's/Scariff/Kilrush Rugby Clubs are never going to play the best teams in the country, they should all fold and play hurling as well by your logic. To say football get's in the way is an awful slight on a lot of people, I have no doubt that the great team of the 90s wouldn't have been heard of if it wasn't for the trail led by the footballers in 92.

If anyone is willing to make sacrifices and put in the work to represent their county then they should be allowed to, whether it's at the highest or lowest level it doesn't matter.

Grats · 08-02-2014 01:10PM

Football game switched from Cusack Park tomorrow - if that happens with hurling game next week where is it likely to be played?

sasol · 08-02-2014 02:04PM

Grats wrote: »

Football game switched from Cusack Park tomorrow - if that happens with hurling game next week where is it likely to be played?

I assume football is switched to Miltown ?

SMB is the obvious choice for the hurling if switched, although SMB was not playable last night for the Waterford Crystal so if both SMB and Cusack park are not playable, will they bring the hurling back to Miltown also ?

sasol · 08-02-2014 02:11PM

Clareman wrote: »

Sure Ennis/Senan's/Scariff/Kilrush Rugby Clubs are never going to play the best teams in the country, they should all fold and play hurling as well by your logic.

I think you're missing the point - how many players from Ennis/Senan's/Scariff/Kilrush Rugby clubs also play hurling and are in a position where they may need to choose one over the other ?

Does training for Ennis/Senan's/Scariff/Kilrush Rugby clubs require anything near the level of dedication required for the Clare footballers (even if they are division 4) ?

Playing hurling and football at intercounty level requires a near professional level of commitment. To give such a commitment to both codes is not possible in the opinion of many people. Then if a decision is to be made, who is going to win out - the best hurling team in the country, or one of the worset football teams ? Easy decision I would think.

To try and compare the level of commitment required for Ennis/Senan's/Scariff/Kilrush Rugby clubs versus intercounty GAA, is like comparing apples and oranges.

windy shepard henderson · 08-02-2014 03:48PM

sasol wrote: »

Waterford Crystal Final
Tipp 4-22 Clare 3-11

High scoring game given the awful weather

A lot of work to do for Clare. A good deal off the pace in the second half

yeah good first half poor second i would worry about kilkenny next week clare are a long way behind in terms of match fitness/sharpness

everyone seemed dead on there feet 10mins into the second half
i heard davey say earlier in the week that clare were 8 weeks behind everyone else on the second half performance last night it was hard to disagree with him

sasol · 08-02-2014 07:49PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

yeah good first half poor second i would worry about kilkenny next week clare are a long way behind in terms of match fitness/sharpness

everyone seemed dead on there feet 10mins into the second half
i heard davey say earlier in the week that clare were 8 weeks behind everyone else on the second half performance last night it was hard to disagree with him

I would be concerned about Kilkenny also. They are coming to Ennis on a mission to put the small fry back where they belong

But things are not as bad as they seem. Clare are in the middle of some very heavy training . I have heard that they had a heavy session as recent as Thursday night, so that may explain the heavy legs last night

windy shepard henderson · 08-02-2014 08:11PM

sasol wrote: »

I would be concerned about Kilkenny also. They are coming to Ennis on a mission to put the small fry back where they belong

But things are not as bad as they seem. Clare are in the middle of some very heavy training . I have heard that they had a heavy session as recent as Thursday night, so that may explain the heavy legs last night

yeah that was noticeable alright i wouldnt be too worried about the kilkenny game infairness with the new league set up a couple of wins gets you into the 1/4 finals anyway, i just think the game might be over hyped in some ways, some of the shops are selling tickets for it with the last two weeks as it is,

the league games in march and april are the games that show signes of progress it would be a more interesting game if it was played next month

windy shepard henderson · 08-02-2014 08:18PM

the footballers game against leitrim tomorow is changed to miltown , david tubridy is out injured for it and will be a big loss in what should be a tight game,

leitrim beat rosscomon and galway in the to win the FBD league last month and comfortably beat division favourites antrim last week so they will be no push over

rambojon · 08-02-2014 09:31PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

the footballers game against leitrim tomorow is changed to miltown , david tubridy is out injured for it and will be a big loss in what should be a tight game,

leitrim beat rosscomon and galway in the to win the FBD league last month and comfortably beat division favourites antrim last week so they will be no push over

True enough windy.. But I think Clare this year r a completely different outfit to last year..plus momentum from a good away win to a team that beat them at home last yr..funnily enough Clare's form away from home is much better than at home here's hoping for a change tomorrow !

Hidalgo · 08-02-2014 10:39PM

windy shepard henderson wrote: »

yeah good first half poor second i would worry about kilkenny next week clare are a long way behind in terms of match fitness/sharpness

everyone seemed dead on there feet 10mins into the second half
i heard davey say earlier in the week that clare were 8 weeks behind everyone else on the second half performance last night it was hard to disagree with him

Main worry I'd have is the weather. Pitch will more than likely be very heavy which won't suit Clare.

I wouldn't really read anything into a Waterford Crystal final, after all Clare shipped a heavy beating to Tipp in the League last year, and that was March iirc

Ideal league would be to finish anywhere in the top 4, that way you avoid the minefield of the relegation playoff and and are guaranteed a Q final.

rambojon · 09-02-2014 03:41PM

Draw at ht.. Clare into wind now. . No chance! Domination by leitrim.

windy shepard henderson · 09-02-2014 06:04PM

yeah poor enough game probably got out of jail but in truth to draw a game when two points up with 4 ins to go is not good enough ether

david tubridey was a big loss , very poor performance from the clare forwards bar martin o leary and gary brennan where most of the clare scores came from,shane brennan podge, sean collins, michael o shea and shane mcgrath all had below par performances the only silver lining was the news that tippeary drew with waterford which lets todays poor display off the hook and dosent damage the promotion chances too much

rambojon · 09-02-2014 07:58PM

rambojon wrote: »

Draw at ht.. Clare into wind now. . No chance! Domination by leitrim.

Very wired game .. Both sides made little use of gale straight down field and played this hand passing game much better into the wind.. Lack of ability to suit the conditions when aided meant either team couldn't get away. Oleary only shining light on very poor home game from Clare . Brennan work horse as usual dragged Clare thru game .

Keano · 16-02-2014 08:19PM

No comment on today's game yet?!

It was a great game and certainly the last 15 mins had a championship feel to it. The majority of our backs were excellent, Pat O'Connor was outstanding all day long. Colin Ryan has just continued on where he left out last year, may have a point to prove after not getting his all-star. Dublin next week will be a tough test a)they got embarrassed today and b)Clare were really up for it today - it will be hard to bring a lot of that intensity next week.

windy shepard henderson · 16-02-2014 08:39PM

Keano A Legend wrote: »

No comment on today's game yet?!

It was a great game and certainly the last 15 mins had a championship feel to it. The majority of our backs were excellent, Pat O'Connor was outstanding all day long. Colin Ryan has just continued on where he left out last year, may have a point to prove after not getting his all-star. Dublin next week will be a tough test a)they got embarrassed today and b)Clare were really up for it today - it will be hard to bring a lot of that intensity next week.

yeah hopefully davey will give a run out to some of the squad players next week it would be no harm to see a few changes in the half back line with bugler and donnllan geting a chance to get the fitness levels back up it has been noticable very much so in the last few games t he same could be said for shane o donnell and tony kelly the sharpness is a little off no point tryingto force things at this stage of the year

infairness it was a very entertaining game and and it is nice to complete the jigsaw by beating kilkenny bbut it is only febuary and we didnt get to see how strong our 2nd string realy were, in the same fixture last year shane o donnell and colom galvin layed down markers for the year ahead with great performances that day, it would have been nice to see the likes of cathel malone and tots to get a run from the start.

kilkenny were'nt afraid to do the same as paudraig walsh and the excelant joey holden proved today , if there was talking points today it would have to be the fact that tommy walsh should have seen the line after coming on
and to add to that brian gavin's terrible job in the middle today shows me he is not up to this standerd of reffaring who in there right mind taught he was sutible for the all ireland last year!!!

EIRE1922 · 16-02-2014 08:58PM

Clare can thank the referee Brian Gavin for the win!

Clare over carried the ball with steps numerous times and got away with it today and were even awarded frees for doing so. One count was 11 steps by a Clare player and even Shefflin (little dance) complained near the sideline. A Clare man holds a Kilkenny man's hurl and gets a free in the first half. 4 times throughout the match a Clare man stood on the ball and the referee gave a throw in. As soon as the sliotar is caught between the legs of a Kilkenny man in the last 5 minutes of the match two frees were awarded to Clare. A free out and free in to Clare. A joke. Clare were awarded a free for every 50/50!

Blantant fouling by Clare players all day today and Brian Gavin let them away with it. Tommy Walsh should have been booked though and not Colin Fennelly. Tommy Walsh was foulded at the end of the match and should have been a free.

Other refs will not let Clare away with that level of presisant fouling.

Kilkenny were never going to win that match with Brian Gavin refereeing it. He was intent on Kilkenny loosing it from the start. He does not like Kilkenny.

Clare had 12 of their starting 15 from last year's All-Ireland Final today. Podge Collins came on in the second half. Kilkenny were missing Richie Hogan, Richie Power, T.J. Reid, Michael Fennelly, J.J. Delaney, Brian Hogan, Kieran Joyce and Michael Rice. Jackie Tyrell, Aiden Fogarty and Tommy Walsh came on in the second half.

We will see what happens when Clare met a full strength Kilkenny team later in the League or Championship.

Clare were out of the game for the last 10 minutes of the first half. Kilkenny had three goal chances at the end of the first half.

brilliantboy · 16-02-2014 09:02PM

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Clare can thank the referee Brian Gavin for the win!

Clare over carried the ball with steps numerous times and got away with it today and were even awarded frees for doing so. One count was 11 steps by a Clare player and even Shefflin (little dance) complained near the sideline. A Clare man holds a Kilkenny man's hurl and gets a free in the first half. 4 times throughout the match a Clare man stood on the ball and the referee gave a throw in. As soon as the sliotar is caught between the legs of a Kilkenny man in the last 5 minutes of the match two frees were awarded to Clare. A free out and free in to Clare. A joke. Clare were awarded a free for every 50/50!

Blantant fouling by Clare players all day today and Brian Gavin let them away with it. Tommy Walsh should have been booked though and not Colin Fennelly. Tommy Walsh was foulded at the end of the match and should have been a free.

Other refs will not let Clare away with that level of presisant fouling.

Kilkenny were never going to win that match with Brian Gavin refereeing it. He was intent on Kilkenny loosing it from the start. He does not like Kilkenny.

Clare had 12 of their starting 15 from last year's All-Ireland Final today. Podge Collins came on in the second half. Kilkenny were missing Richie Hogan, Richie Power, T.J. Reid, Michael Fennelly, J.J. Delaney, Brian Hogan, Kieran Joyce and Michael Rice. Jackie Tyrell, Aiden Fogarty and Tommy Walsh came on in the second half.

We will see what happens when Clare met a full strength Kilkenny team later in the League or Championship.

Clare were out of the game for the last 10 minutes of the first half. Kilkenny had three goal chances at the end of the first half.

Thanks for the post.
It's good to hear that this Clare team aren't one dimensional and can out Kilkenny Kilkenny if that's what's required.

EIRE1922 · 16-02-2014 09:10PM

brilliantboy wrote: »

Thanks for the post.
It's good to hear that this Clare team aren't one dimensional and can out Kilkenny Kilkenny if that's what's required.

You mean with Brian Gavin's help?

Kristopherus · 16-02-2014 09:13PM

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Clare can thank the referee Brian Gavin for the win!

Clare over carried the ball with steps numerous times and got away with it today and were even awarded frees for doing so. One count was 11 steps by a Clare player and even Shefflin (little dance) complained near the sideline. A Clare man holds a Kilkenny man's hurl and gets a free in the first half. 4 times throughout the match a Clare man stood on the ball and the referee gave a throw in. As soon as the sliotar is caught between the legs of a Kilkenny man in the last 5 minutes of the match two frees were awarded to Clare. A free out and free in to Clare. A joke. Clare were awarded a free for every 50/50!

Blantant fouling by Clare players all day today and Brian Gavin let them away with it. Tommy Walsh should have been booked though and not Colin Fennelly. Tommy Walsh was foulded at the end of the match and should have been a free.

Other refs will not let Clare away with that level of presisant fouling.

Kilkenny were never going to win that match with Brian Gavin refereeing it. He was intent on Kilkenny loosing it from the start. He does not like Kilkenny.

Clare had 12 of their starting 15 from last year's All-Ireland Final today. Podge Collins came on in the second half. Kilkenny were missing Richie Hogan, Richie Power, T.J. Reid, Michael Fennelly, J.J. Delaney, Brian Hogan, Kieran Joyce and Michael Rice. Jackie Tyrell, Aiden Fogarty and Tommy Walsh came on in the second half.

We will see what happens when Clare met a full strength Kilkenny team later in the League or Championship.

Clare were out of the game for the last 10 minutes of the first half. Kilkenny had three goal chances at the end of the first half.

Were you watching that game through black & amber glasses. Thats a terrible combinaton of colours to try to look through. Very bad for the eyesight:D:D:D

windy shepard henderson · 16-02-2014 09:15PM

EIRE1922 wrote: »

Clare can thank the referee Brian Gavin for the win!

Clare over carried the ball with steps numerous times and got away with it today and were even awarded frees for doing so. One count was 11 steps by a Clare player and even Shefflin (little dance) complained near the sideline. A Clare man holds a Kilkenny man's hurl and gets a free in the first half. 4 times throughout the match a Clare man stood on the ball and the referee gave a throw in. As soon as the sliotar is caught between the legs of a Kilkenny man in the last 5 minutes of the match two frees were awarded to Clare. A free out and free in to Clare. A joke. Clare were awarded a free for every 50/50!

Blantant fouling by Clare players all day today and Brian Gavin let them away with it. Tommy Walsh should have been booked though and not Colin Fennelly. Tommy Walsh was foulded at the end of the match and should have been a free.

Other refs will not let Clare away with that level of presisant fouling.

Kilkenny were never going to win that match with Brian Gavin refereeing it. He was intent on Kilkenny loosing it from the start. He does not like Kilkenny.

Clare had 12 of their starting 15 from last year's All-Ireland Final today. Podge Collins came on in the second half. Kilkenny were missing Richie Hogan, Richie Power, T.J. Reid, Michael Fennelly, J.J. Delaney, Brian Hogan, Kieran Joyce and Michael Rice. Jackie Tyrell, Aiden Fogarty and Tommy Walsh came on in the second half.

We will see what happens when Clare met a full strength Kilkenny team later in the League or Championship.

Clare were out of the game for the last 10 minutes of the first half. Kilkenny had three goal chances at the end of the first half.

its a bit early in the year for souar grapes , brian gavin was terrible today and i can assure you he did nothing to help clare, and honstley you cant complain about players holding other players hurls the great king henry has been doing that for years...."dont let the gooch ref the match" was the battle cry that got up colom coopers nose against cratloe before christmas, i think "dont let henry ref the match" is one that should be used more often in future he gets away with more then he should!!!!

if you honstly think tommy walsh was fairly treated by given a yellow card for striking another player when he was no more then 30 seconds on the field you are way off the mark,

and for the record the reason clare had 12 out of last years all ireland 15 was to bring them up to pace , most of them started training 4 weeks ago and it was fairly obvious , we do have more players in the backround then what won the all ireland last year dont worry

Niallers87 · 16-02-2014 09:31PM

What was the incident Tommy Walsh should have been sent off for?

windy shepard henderson · 16-02-2014 09:52PM

Niallers87 wrote: »

What was the incident Tommy Walsh should have been sent off for?

strike to the face to john conlon
you would allow for a yellow in most occasions but it was his first action after coming on the field which made it look more intentional

to be honest i am surprised with some of the comments coming from some of the kilkenny supporters on different treads here what ever they may think brian gavin did very little to help our cause today

its the second week in febuary, its the first round of the league , its not going to make or break anyone's season .........
i cant figure it out anyway

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