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Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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  • #1502
    Links234
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,944 ✭✭✭✭Links234


    No
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  • #1503
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    No
    Links234 wrote: »
    Also, everyone check this out: http://www.chrisdidthis.com/send-a-message-to-rte-and-iona/

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  • #1504
    Ash.J.Williams
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,830 ✭✭✭✭Ash.J.Williams


    No
    Daith wrote: »
    What was your slavery comment about then?
    that this campaign has it's own place in history alongside the african american civil rights movement. I don;t feel they should be combined as they are different.


  • #1505
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭Daith


    No
    Ash.J.Williams wrote: »
    that this campaign has it's own place in history alongside the african american civil rights movement. I don;t feel they should be combined as they are different.

    It absolutely does. Engaging in "homosexual acts" was only legalized in 1993 FFS!

    It's the same with any minority that wants to be viewed as equal, womens rights, african american civil rights, LGBT rights.


  • #1506
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I listened to anecdotal evidence by people who were adopted by same sex couples, the evidence was inconclusive in my opinion, it could simply depend on how the child feels about having two people of the same sex rather than one of each sex
    For some children it works no problem, for others the lack of a mother or father is a problem.

    See this is what I have a problem with I was basically brought up by my grand parents my mum was there but in fairness she is more like my sister she had me young and basically the first 10 yrs of my life was a battle ground between my grand parents the guards were called quite a few times, basically they were 2 people that should never have married they spawned 6 kids who basically have their own problem, a therapist would possible have a field day,
    One of them unfortunately married a woman who's basically hadn't a clue they had 7 kids he ended up getting custody he did a decent job, he was every thing to those kids he was mum/dad to those kids.
    Gender means feck all it does not define how much of a good parent you can be, plenty of hetroes doing a bad job as it is I know there are plenty of families like my own Dysfunctional family.


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  • #1507
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Nodin wrote: »
    I saw the orgy in the museum, as it was videoed, and there were no children present. You aren't that reliable a source, Robert.

    You are a member of pussy riot?

    I read reports that children were present, maybe when you were in the museum you didn't see them.


  • #1508
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    gcgirl wrote: »
    See this is what I have a problem with I was basically brought up by my grand parents my mum was there but in fairness she is more like my sister she had me young and basically the first 10 yrs of my life was a battle ground between my grand parents the guards were called quite a few times, basically they were 2 people that should never have married they spawned 6 kids who basically have their own problem, a therapist would possible have a field day,
    One of them unfortunately married a woman who's basically hadn't a clue they had 7 kids he ended up getting custody he did a decent job, he was every thing to those kids he was mum/dad to those kids.
    Gender means feck all it does not define how much of a good parent you can be, plenty of hetroes doing a bad job as it is I know there are plenty of families like my own Dysfunctional family.

    It depends on the child, that is what I took from a discussion with grown up children who had same sex parents, it works fine for some, others not so good.


  • #1509
    gcgirl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,044 ✭✭✭gcgirl


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    It depends on the child, that is what I took from a discussion with grown up children who had same sex parents, it works fine for some, others not so good.

    Bit like hetro parents works out fine for a few not so fine for others.
    Sometimes people should never consider being parents.


  • #1510
    rainbow kirby
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,928 ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    it works fine for some, others not so good.
    Same could be said about any set of parents really.


  • #1511
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    rainbow kirby wrote: »
    I get annoyed when people try to dictate to the LGBT community what analogies and what language to use to describe the struggle against homophobia and oppression.
    It's not just annoying. It's infuriating. How dare a group who hasn't a notion of what it's like to be discriminated on grounds of sexuality, try to tell me that what I experience isn't homophobia. Utter cheek.

    RobertKK wrote: »
    It depends on the child, that is what I took from a discussion with grown up children who had same sex parents, it works fine for some, others not so good.
    Wrong! You're clouding your judgement with your own assumptions. (which are wrong btw)


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  • #1512
    cloudatlas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭cloudatlas


    No
    Kiwi in IE wrote: »
    Why?

    Some aspects of the struggle are not so dissimilar that gay people don't have a right to borrow from African American History but I don't think it's an exact replica of the black civil rights struggle or that the words 'slavery' should be so easily substituted into sentences about gay marriage rights (which is what I have seen). It's not the same and it never will be. I don't think I'm diminishing the struggle of lgbt people by saying that I don't think it's exactly the same. (maybe someone will tell me I'm wrong???) Gays can see the victories of such movements and see them as a sign that any country can move past bigotry and oppression. The black civil rights struggle has been a beacon of hope to people all over the world but I don't think the comparison should be made so lightly.


  • #1513
    eyescreamcone
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,562 ✭✭✭eyescreamcone


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    It depends on the child, that is what I took from a discussion with grown up children who had same sex parents, it works fine for some, others not so good.

    Same as for hetro parents - works fine for some, others not so good.

    The fact that gays are every bit as good a parent as straights should have no bearing on whether or not same sex marriage should be legalised.

    Same sex marriage should be lagalised because it is the right thing to do.

    If you are not in favour of same sex marriage you are homophobic!!!


  • #1514
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Wrong! You're clouding your judgement with your own assumptions. (which are wrong btw)

    You are wrong, I listened to people who lived under same sex parents, for some it was no problem, others it was. You can call them wrong if you like, but you can put your own position as being the same for everyone.


  • #1515
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,644 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    You are wrong, I listened to people who lived under same sex parents, for some it was no problem, others it was.

    I've listened to lots of people who lived under straight parents, for some it was no problem, others it was.


  • #1516
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    You are wrong, I listened to people who lived under same sex parents, for some it was no problem, others it was. You can call them wrong if you like, but you can put your own position as being the same for everyone.
    You 'listened to people', here are the facts.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=85636781&postcount=182


  • #1517
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    Same as for hetro parents - works fine for some, others not so good.

    The fact that gays are every bit as good a parent as straights should have no bearing on whether or not same sex marriage should be legalised.

    Same sex marriage should be lagalised because it is the right thing to do.

    If you are not in favour of same sex marriage you are homophobic!!!

    Civil marriage should be abolished for all.

    I am also against heterosexual civil marriage. It is not about love, it is about the state deciding on legal rights, when a solicitor should be enough.
    The state should have no role in marriage.

    You can call people homophobic if they don't support SSM, but you should know there are also people who don't support the heterosexual version of civil marriage.
    The less of the state in one's life the better, one shouldn't need the state deciding on what a marriage is and what rights they give.

    Allow religious groups, humanist groups and whatever have marriage and allow them marry whoever they want.
    It should not be the state deciding on what marriage is.


  • #1518
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    I've listened to lots of people who lived under straight parents, for some it was no problem, others it was.

    Yes, and some here claim no problems under same sex parents.


  • #1519
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    Allow religious groups, humanist groups and whatever have marriage and allow them marry whoever they want.
    It should not be the state deciding on what marriage is.

    You made sense right up to there. So basically, screw the non-religious


  • #1520
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    You are wrong, I listened to people who lived under same sex parents, for some it was no problem, others it was. You can call them wrong if you like, but you can put your own position as being the same for everyone.

    Well, I say ban heterosexual marriage based solely on anecdotal evidence from close personal friends whose parents were an embarrassment to them and the cause of much bullying at school. My own parents were such a embarrassing shambles, I rarely brought anyone home. Their best friends(a lovely gay couple) were such well-adjusted, emotionally mature people that I can say (based solely on anecdotal evidence) that gay men would be much less problematic parents.

    See how well your argument is working Robert? We can all make blanket statements and assumptions, and nobody's position would be the same for anyone else. GREAT reason to stop SSM. Well done you :pac:


  • #1521
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    You made sense right up to there. So basically, screw the non-religious

    No, there are non religious ceremonies in there too, the whatever as I can't think of everything.

    I think the state should just get lost, it shouldn't be involved in the love business.


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  • #1522
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    No
    cloudatlas wrote: »
    Some aspects of the struggle are not so dissimilar that gay people don't have a right to borrow from African American History but I don't think it's an exact replica of the black civil rights struggle or that the words 'slavery' should be so easily substituted into sentences about gay marriage rights (which is what I have seen). It's not the same and it never will be. I don't think I'm diminishing the struggle of lgbt people by saying that I don't think it's exactly the same. (maybe someone will tell me I'm wrong???) Gays can see the victories of such movements and see them as a sign that any country can move past bigotry and oppression. The black civil rights struggle has been a beacon of hope to people all over the world but I don't think the comparison should be made so lightly.

    I don't get this attitude. As the Coretta Scott King speech posted a few pages back said, they all come from the same place of bigotry and discrimination.

    I think some injustices are more extreme, but I think all civil rights struggles, be it women's suffrage, black civil rights in the US, Catholics civil rights in the North, Anti-apartheid campaigns, travellers rights etc are all essentially about the fight for equality and equal dignity and respect.

    The injustices might manifest themselves in different forms, and the campaigns may take different paths, but ultimately they are about the right for every man, woman and child to be treated with equal dignity and respect.


  • #1523
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭Daith


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yes, and some here claim no problems under same sex parents.

    The argument that Iona (and others) present is that the best place for a child is always the biological mother and father. That's not realistic either.

    You're good parents or bad parents or average parents regardless of what your sexuality is.


  • #1524
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    No, there are non religious ceremonies in there too, the whatever as I can't think of everything.

    I think the state should just get lost, it shouldn't be involved in the love business.
    I think the State are perfectly entitled to be involved in marriage - it is surely far more reliable than a religious matter, and covers legal issues regarding co-habitation and shared life.


  • #1525
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    I think the state should just get lost, it shouldn't be involved in the love business.

    And who are you to tell people how they should/should not express their love for each other?


  • #1526
    RobertKK
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,775 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Obliq wrote: »
    Well, I say ban heterosexual marriage based solely on anecdotal evidence from close personal friends whose parents were an embarrassment to them and the cause of much bullying at school. My own parents were such a embarrassing shambles, I rarely brought anyone home. Their best friends(a lovely gay couple) were such well-adjusted, emotionally mature people that I can say (based solely on anecdotal evidence) that gay men would be much less problematic parents.

    See how well your argument is working Robert? We can all make blanket statements and assumptions, and nobody's position would be the same for anyone else. GREAT reason to stop SSM. Well done you :pac:

    Yes, I said ban heterosexual civil marriage.


  • #1527
    petronius
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 849 ✭✭✭petronius


    If you disagree with the liberal mainstream all they do is resort to name calling, pathetic!


  • #1528
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    petronius wrote: »
    If you disagree with the liberal mainstream all they do is resort to name calling, pathetic!
    Well, at least they don't censor and tarnish other people's opinions.


  • #1529
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,335 ✭✭✭Daith


    No
    petronius wrote: »
    If you disagree with the liberal mainstream all they do is resort to name calling, pathetic!

    If you want to point out when someone says something offensive don't! They'll resort to legal threats, won't appear on a show with a right to respond and want money.

    Pathetic!


  • #1530
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    No
    petronius wrote: »
    If you disagree with the liberal mainstream all they do is resort to name calling, pathetic!

    You've just ignored the entire thread, haven't you?


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  • #1531
    Obliq
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,371 ✭✭✭Obliq


    No
    RobertKK wrote: »
    Yes, I said ban heterosexual civil marriage.

    We have a new leader, people! Bow down to Robert, for he has spoken and pronounced what is best for us all. Yay. Now I know the limitations I should put on the celebration of my love for my man. Thank you kind sir, I now know how wrong I have been to admire the great marriages of friends and family.


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