Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

bodice ripper · 02-02-2014 10:01PM

No

I think this debacle is brilliant. Suing and getting tax payers money because you react to a public debate like a spoilt brat is hardly going to endear these people and their religious fundamentalist views to the voting public, is it?

returnNull · 02-02-2014 11:14PM

No

bodice ripper wrote: »

Suing and getting tax payers money because you react to a public debate like a spoilt brat is hardly going to endear these people and their religious fundamentalist views to the voting public, is it?

You'd hope so!

david75 · 03-02-2014 01:38AM

No

Breda O Brien playing the victim card in today's times
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-times-columnist-says-rté-libel-payment-was-not-about-the-money-1.1677013#.Uu7vak1ex54.twitter

J_E · 03-02-2014 01:44AM

No

david75 wrote: »

Breda O Brien playing the victim card in today's times
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-times-columnist-says-rté-libel-payment-was-not-about-the-money-1.1677013#.Uu7vak1ex54.twitter

Wasn't about the money...but it sure was a bonus.

Wonder what the holiday plans are?

hotmail.com · 03-02-2014 01:48AM

No

Breda obviously incapable of refusing money. She learns from her masters.

efb · 03-02-2014 01:49AM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Wasn't about the money...but it sure was a bonus.

Wonder what the holiday plans are?

A week in the Vatican reading the confidential confessions of the paedo priests?

A Scoundrel · 03-02-2014 01:51AM

No

david75 wrote: »

Breda O Brien playing the victim card in today's times
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-times-columnist-says-rté-libel-payment-was-not-about-the-money-1.1677013#.Uu7vak1ex54.twitter

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but her comment "I don't accept that I'm homophobic" reads a little strange.

Any ordinary punter would typically say " I have no problem with gay people", but maybe that would be a stretch too far for oul Breda.

Homophobic? Not for us to say, the lawyers would tell us.

People will make up their own minds....

J_E · 03-02-2014 01:52AM

No

A Scoundrel wrote: »

Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but her comment "I don't accept that I'm homophobic" reads a little strange.

Any ordinary punter would typically say " I have no problem with gay people", but maybe that would be a stretch too far for oul Breda.

Homophobic? Not for us to say, the lawyers would tell us.

Make of it what you will.

It's yet another way to wriggle in their systematic deconstruction of the term.

david75 · 03-02-2014 01:54AM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

It's yet another way to wriggle in their systematic deconstruction of the term.

That's exactly what her and those involved on her side are trying to do in all this

It won't help them. At all.

She should donate the money the belongto or a similar gay charity. Then she'd be unimpeachable.

J_E · 03-02-2014 01:57AM

No

david75 wrote: »

She should donate the money the belongto or a similar gay charity. Then she'd be unimpeachable.

It would be a respectable gesture but the damage is permanent as to their reputations.

david75 · 03-02-2014 01:59AM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

It would be a respectable gesture but the damage is permanent as to their reputations.

People have very short memories either way.
But every time anyone from Iona opens their mouth, the do themselves damage just by appearing so totally intolerant and bigoted it fronting it with 'we're all about family'

This is going to come down to middle Ireland being able to see past that smoke screen.

Nodin · 03-02-2014 06:09AM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Wasn't about the money...but it sure was a bonus.

Wonder what the holiday plans are?

It won't be a holiday. It'll be a retreat.

In Hawaii, or Mauritius.

Sarky · 03-02-2014 08:43AM

No

My arse it wasn't about the money. The "nobody takes you seriously without a settlement" line is interesting. I'm pretty sure nobody takes her any more seriously than they did before, and that was precious little because she's a whiny self-righteous pillock.

There's a whole chunk of Irish media seem to be in damage control mode just for the Iona crew. That's worrying, even if the overkill is having the effect of digging the c*nts a deeper hole.

stateofflux · 03-02-2014 08:57AM

they are in my mind unquestionably part of a network of catholic lobby groups with the same archaic misogynistic and homophobic agenda

NuMarvel · 03-02-2014 08:59AM

No

It was pointed out on Ireland AM this morning that the censored part of the interview can be found online easily enough. The opinion of the panel as to why Iona aren't suing those outlets? Money.

And it's true. RTE is an easy target that will settle early for a quiet life. RTE made attempts at removing videos and transcripts of the deleted section from other sites early on, but they've long since stopped. Why aren't Iona suing them? If they are so worried about their good name, shouldn't they at least be hounding RTE to keep the comments offline?

Daith · 03-02-2014 09:09AM

No

They can't argue that using the word "homophobia" shuts down the debate. They refused a right to reply and called it inadequate!

All about the money.

cloudatlas · 03-02-2014 09:32AM

No

I get annoyed when people liken this struggle to black emancipation, not the same at all if you have to choose an analogy don't pick that one.

AerynSun · 03-02-2014 09:43AM

No

cloudatlas wrote: »

I get annoyed when people liken this struggle to black emancipation, not the same at all if you have to choose an analogy don't pick that one.

How is it not the same at all? Black people are born that way, but gay people aren't? Or what?

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2014 09:46AM

No

AerynSun wrote: »

How is it not the same at all? Black people are born that way, but gay people aren't? Or what?

slavery

AerynSun · 03-02-2014 09:49AM

No

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

slavery

So are you saying that because LGBT people aren't shackled and made to pick cotton, that the oppression they suffer isn't really oppression and shouldn't be abolished?

rainbow kirby · 03-02-2014 09:50AM

No

cloudatlas wrote: »

I get annoyed when people liken this struggle to black emancipation, not the same at all if you have to choose an analogy don't pick that one.

I get annoyed when people try to dictate to the LGBT community what analogies and what language to use to describe the struggle against homophobia and oppression.

Kiwi in IE · 03-02-2014 09:51AM

No

NuMarvel wrote: »

If they are so worried about their good name

Their what?

Fundies don't like they idea of LGBT people adopting. They believe they have a right to campaign in an attempt to prevent then from doing so because they don't like it. They expect to be taken seriously by wider society, despite that they have no rational or logical reasoning that they can provide. They get upset and ask to be compensated when somebody calls a spade a spade on television, but they still feel it is their right to fill the media with their bigoted belief that LBGT people are in some way inferior to the rest of us, and therefore not suitable to bring up children.

Well I really don't like the idea of fundies adopting children either, and I'm sure I'm not alone there. I don't like the idea of them bringing up children and brainwashing them to be the bigoted fundies of the future. The difference is that I recognise I don't have a right to try and attempt to encourage the whole of society to deny anyone their rights on the basis that I do not like their lifestyle. That would be inciting hatred would it not?

Corkfeen · 03-02-2014 09:51AM

No

cloudatlas wrote: »

I get annoyed when people liken this struggle to black emancipation, not the same at all if you have to choose an analogy don't pick that one.

I think the interracial marriage aspect tends to be the applicable one.

Daith · 03-02-2014 09:52AM

No

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

slavery

Being a criminal before 1993 if you engaged in homosexual activity.

It's not tit for tat though.

Kiwi in IE · 03-02-2014 09:52AM

No

cloudatlas wrote: »

I get annoyed when people liken this struggle to black emancipation, not the same at all if you have to choose an analogy don't pick that one.

Why?

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2014 09:52AM

No

FouxDaFaFa wrote: »

I think it will pass if everyone eligible to vote actually makes the effort to go out and vote. But I predict a huge mobilisation/scare-mongering campaign by certain groups to get the more conservative voters to the stations.

Even if the referendum fails, how can we sustain the status quo without undermining our discrimination laws?
After all, we are currently discriminating legally because of sexuality.

they won't

AerynSun · 03-02-2014 09:56AM

No

Corkfeen wrote: »

I think the interracial marriage aspect tends to be the applicable one.

Do you have to say 'interracial marriage' on this forum? I get a visual image of a black man kissing a white woman, and I don't like it, it creeps me out. Saw it happen once, and I still get nightmares about it. (The tingly feeling is shock, right? Definitely was nothing to do with the black man being pretty damned hot...)

Links234 · 03-02-2014 09:56AM

No

rainbow kirby wrote: »

I get annoyed when people try to dictate to the LGBT community what analogies and what language to use to describe the struggle against homophobia and oppression.

Also, I would point to the words of Coretta Scott King:

Coretta Scott King, speaking four days before the 30th anniversary of her husband’s assassination, said Tuesday the civil rights leader’s memory demanded a strong stand for gay and lesbian rights. “I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice,” she said. “But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, ‘Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.’” “I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.’s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people,” she said. – Reuters, March 31, 1998.

Speaking before nearly 600 people at the Palmer House Hilton Hotel, Coretta Scott King, the wife of the late Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., Tuesday called on the civil rights community to join in the struggle against homophobia and anti-gay bias. “Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood,” King stated. “This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.” – Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998, front page.

Ash.J.Williams · 03-02-2014 10:01AM

No

AerynSun wrote: »

So are you saying that because LGBT people aren't shackled and made to pick cotton, that the oppression they suffer isn't really oppression and shouldn't be abolished?

i didn't say that at all...

Daith · 03-02-2014 10:02AM

No

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

i didn't say that at all...

What was your slavery comment about then?

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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