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Iona vs Panti

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  • #542
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    I'm fairly certain that most of the lgbt users that read your comments found them absurdly offensive.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88776832&postcount=512

    There is the post. Which comments then are "absurdly offensive"?


  • #543
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Any brave souls going to watch the in the interests balance for Iona show tonight?


  • #544
    SpaceTime
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    I'm off to buy the popcorn ...


  • #545
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88776832&postcount=512

    There is the post. Which comments then are "absurdly offensive"?

    This post is the specifically offensive one.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=88774357&postcount=498

    You conclude that all the straight people give up their recreational drug use while gay people would carry on. This being your reason why same sex parents are inferior. Rather anecdotal experiences to say the least. It was also pointed out that those that were surveyed were between the age of 15 to 22 so doesn't exactly prove your point.

    As a person in that age range, think it's worth pointing out that many people in my age group do absurd amounts of substance abuse. Does this mean that they'll be awful parents ten years from now? Probably not tbh, some will have life long problems. Others will simply end that phase in their life.


  • #546
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,197 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I suppose I should. I did end up watching Tubridy's interview with Timara Lawless last night in spite of my fears that Tubridy would be vile in his questioning. (And he was, but it was interesting nonetheless).


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  • #547
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Jernal wrote: »
    Any brave souls going to watch the in the interests balance for Iona show tonight?
    Did I understand it correctly that Pussy Riot or a member of the so called "band" who don't make any music are going to be involved?

    Could be a own-goal having left-wing extremists and provocateurs arguing your case, which could be the intention I suppose.


  • #548
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    Did I understand it correctly that Pussy Riot or a member of the so called "band" who don't make any music are going to be involved?

    Could be a own-goal having left-wing extremists and provocateurs arguing your case, which could be the intention I suppose.

    Think most of the western world have no issue with Pussy Riot. Have an immense amount of respect for them to be frank. However they won't be in the debate to best of knowledge.


  • #549
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Would it kill you to read the post properly before you make such ugly accusations?
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    You conclude that all the straight people give up their recreational drug use while gay people would carry on.
    I quite clearly did not do that. From the very same post: "there are obviously exceptions to this rule".
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    This being your reason why same sex parents are inferior.
    Inferior? Unbelievable:rolleyes: ...While I never said that I did in fact say the exact opposite. From the very same post:

    It is my view that you can view a homosexual relationship as equal in every regard to a traditional one but still acknowledge that they are different with "different" being neither positive nor negative and not be homophobic. This doesn't mean that the individuals themselves are inherently different just that the dynamic of the relationship can be different.

    Well that was an incredibly easy house of cards to knock over. Is there anything else you would like me to clear up or should we just let the accusation linger, without being able to back it up?

    +++

    Also you are accusing David Smith, a senior health promotion officer for gay men as being "absurdly offensive" for giving his professional opinion.

    'It may be because their social life is a very important part of identity - certainly compared to heterosexuals. Gay men also continue to take drugs for much longer than heterosexuals, long after others have chosen to settle down with a family.'


  • #550
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    ...This doesn't mean that the individuals themselves are inherently different just that the dynamic of the relationship can be different.

    In what way are you suggesting that the dynamic of a same sex relationship 'can be different' from a heterosexual relationship in a way that is an exclusive property of a same sex relationship, and necessarily differentiated from a dynamic possible in a heterosexual relationship?


  • #551
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Think most of the western world have no issue with Pussy Riot. Have an immense amount of respect for them to be frank. However they won't be in the debate to best of knowledge.
    You respect people who put chickens into their vaginas?


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  • #552
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,228 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    SpaceTime wrote: »
    It was remarkable though how conservative Ireland became.

    There was most definitely a power grab that resulted in a strange religious corporatist state for several decades.

    You also had a lot of things that just continued as if nothing had changed with independence and they became frozen in British public administration as it was in 1921.

    I mean for example the courts and judicial system structure didn't even reflect the constitution until the 1960s! (1961 to be precise)

    It wasn't really that strange - given that it was Fianna Fail and Fine Gael who were the main political forces.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #553
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You respect people who put chickens into their vaginas?

    I think you're being sensationalist in the way you present this bit of 'evidence' against Pussy Riot's 'respectability': perhaps you'd like to explain the back story and give a more thorough analysis of the statement they were trying to make?


  • #554
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    AerynSun wrote: »
    In what way are you suggesting that the dynamic of a same sex relationship 'can be different' from a heterosexual relationship in a way that is an exclusive property of a same sex relationship, and necessarily differentiated from a dynamic possible in a heterosexual relationship?
    In the way that the ingredients of the relationship are different. Seeing as men and women are different. Different doesn't mean inferior or superior as I've been at pains to point out.


  • #555
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    In the way that the ingredients of the relationship are different. Seeing as men and women are different. Different doesn't mean inferior or superior as I've been at pains to point out.

    Could you please be more specific about the differences as you understand them?


  • #556
    Links234
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    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    You respect people who put chickens into their vaginas?

    As opposed to... Cocks? :p


  • #557
    Brown Bomber
    Site Banned Posts: 8,331 ✭✭✭Brown Bomber


    AerynSun wrote: »
    I think you're being sensationalist in the way you present this bit of 'evidence' against Pussy Riot's 'respectability': perhaps you'd like to explain the back story and give a more thorough analysis of the statement they were trying to make?
    I'm not so interested in the statements of agent-provacateurs. If a bunch of neo-Nazis burst into a synagogue, took it over and started shouting vulgarly at the Jews attending would you defend them then?


  • #558
    FouxDaFaFa
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    Jernal wrote: »
    Any brave souls going to watch the in the interests balance for Iona show tonight?
    I'm going to but I'm dreading it.


  • #559
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Brown Bomber wrote: »
    I'm not so interested in the statements of agent-provacateurs.

    You seemed interested enough to open discussion of their 'art' on this thread when doing so would support your 'argument' - why back out now that you've gotten an interested response?


  • #560
    vitani
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,824 ✭✭✭vitani


    FouxDaFaFa wrote: »
    I'm going to but I'm dreading it.

    Ditto. Have pulled the sofa forward so I've room to hide behind it if I need to.


  • #561
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    AerynSun wrote: »
    I think you're being sensationalist in the way you present this bit of 'evidence' against Pussy Riot's 'respectability': perhaps you'd like to explain the back story and give a more thorough analysis of the statement they were trying to make?

    BB is referring to the fact that two members of Pussy Riot were members of a group called Voina. They left that group in 2009. In 2010, Voina may have put a frozen chicken in an unorthodox place but neither members of Pussy Riot were involved. So nope, I have no problem with their protests against a highly corrupt government and church. Russia is in a volatile state and they helped draw attention to it at the time. So my respect is not rescinded.


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  • #562
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    BB is referring to the fact that two members of Pussy Riot were members of a group called Voina. They left that group in 2009. In 2010, Voina may have put a frozen chicken in an unorthodox place but neither members of Pussy Riot were involved. So nope, I have no problem with their protests against a highly corrupt government and church. Russia is in a volatile state and they helped draw attention to it at the time. So my respect is not rescinded.

    Unorthodox place?


  • #563
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Is there going to be a different thread for tonight's debate or is it happening here?


  • #564
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    Jernal wrote: »
    Unorthodox place?

    He's right on the location. :pac: I wasn't referring to within the Russian Orthodox Church or anything.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voina#How_to_Snatch_a_Chicken


  • #565
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Jernal wrote: »
    Unorthodox place?

    As a feminist, I have to point out that that's the most orthodox place to put things of productive value :pac:


  • #566
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    AerynSun wrote: »
    As a feminist, I have to point out that that's the most orthodox place to put things of productive value :pac:

    Personally, I'd aim for a roast in the oven when it comes to chicken but whatever floats one's boat..... Totally getting food poisoned though.


  • #567
    lazygal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    david75 wrote: »
    Is there going to be a different thread for tonight's debate or is it happening here?

    I think we'll have to check the homosexual agenda.


  • #568
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Personally, I'd aim for a roast in the oven when it comes to chicken but whatever floats one's boat..... Totally getting food poisoned though.

    Who's to say that oven wasn't roasting? Besides... gives a whole new meaning to flipping the bird at the government.


  • #569
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    lazygal wrote: »
    I think we'll have to check the homosexual agenda.

    Is this it?
    Bear-Hug-.jpg


  • #570
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Homosexuality. Found in all species.
    Homophobia. Only found in one.


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  • #571
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    david75 wrote: »
    Homosexuality. Found in all species.
    Homophobia. Only found in one.

    That was actually naked John Waters originally. So just picture naked John Waters watching polar bears.


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