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"Irish Language part of the Republican Agenda" according to Orange Order

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  • #2
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Its the OO, they spend their summers lobbing pieces of patio at police lines, what did you expect?


  • #3
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    I thought they were busy ripping off super heroes?


  • #4
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Protestants have as much right to learn Irish as any other person north or south.

    "A word of warning to Protestants who go to learn Irish ... it's part of the republican agenda''

    As if learning Irish will somehow turn union/loyalist Protestants into rabid Republicans.

    This sectarian drooler just despises the idea that we might all get along some time.


  • #5
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    I don't have much time for the OO but he has a point about the politicisation of the Irish language by nationalists and the impact this is having on unionist speakers.


  • #6
    thecatspjs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭thecatspjs


    I wish we all spoke Irish all the time.


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  • #7
    shruikan2553
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    So only protestants are susceptible to the republican agenda? The ability to speak Irish does tend to cause "I'm more Irish than you syndrome" but it has been reported other religions outside of protestantism can develop it.


  • #8
    AllGunsBlazing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭AllGunsBlazing


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Stuff like this makes me glad the border is there - we have more than enough of our own lunatics down here without adding the ones they have up north to the pile!

    Is there some sort of high wall or moat that I'm unaware of which impedes said lunatics from travelling down south?:confused:


  • #9
    EuskalHerria
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,273 ✭✭✭EuskalHerria


    Obviously a response to the growing number of unionists looking to learn the Irish language.

    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/growing-appetite-among-protestant-unionist-and-loyalist-people-to-learn-irish-language-says-wife-of-former-pup-leader-29901196.html

    It's always great to see regressive organisations putting forward ludicrousness and paranoia as their position.


  • #10
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,687 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    Is there some sort of high wall...

    The wall is so massive that migrating Geese have to fly around the ends of it.


  • #11
    thecatspjs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 519 ✭✭✭thecatspjs


    AllGunsBlazing wrote: »
    Is there some sort of high wall or moat that I'm unaware of which impedes said lunatics from travelling down south?:confused:

    Nope, but there's signs covered in fadas. Freaks them out and sends them scuttling back north.


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  • #12
    Albertofrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭Albertofrog


    So Gusty Spence (ex head of the UVF) and Diane Irvine (wife of David Irvine) are republicans.
    Must be news to them.
    Idiots.


  • #13
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    I don't have much time for the OO but he has a point about the politicisation of the Irish language by nationalists and the impact this is having on unionist speakers.

    I know a couple of people from the north who would see themselves as unionist yet are fluent in the language. Whereas I see myself as republican and can't speak a word of it, nor do I want to.

    This leads me to believe that the whole label of 'politics' applied by others to the language is vastly overblown =p

    The ones politicising it are those who keep going on about it in a political sense. In this case, the OO. They want it to be politicised because it suits their viewpoint, and gives them reason to bleat on about how it's part of someone else's agenda. Never their own though.. is it?!


  • #14
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    I should hope it is. It is our original language after all.


  • #15
    Days 298
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Days 298


    People have politicized the language to its detriment. Nothing new for a bigoted xenophobic organisation to give out


  • #16
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    My name is URL wrote: »
    I know a couple of people from the north who would see themselves as unionist yet are fluent in the language. Whereas I see myself as republican and can't speak a word of it, nor do I want to.

    This leads me to believe that the whole label of 'politics' applied by others to the language is vastly overblown =p

    The ones politicising it are those who keep going on about it in a political sense. In this case, the OO. They want it to be politicised because it suits their viewpoint, and gives them reason to bleat on about how it's part of someone else's agenda. Never their own though.. is it?!
    I think you have a point on the OO wanting to politicise the language for their own purpose to create division and emphasise the cultural difference between the two Irelands but conversely nationalists have been using the language for years to try foster a national identity distinct from England for years before them.

    A language should be a neutral tool of communication but in the real world they're often hijacked by certain groups for their own political agenda. Chittick is responding disproportionally to what he sees as a threat to his culture. I don't think he has any genuine dislike of the language, in fact he even mentions his predecessor spoke it.


  • #17
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    david75 wrote: »
    I should hope it is. It is our original language after all.
    No it isn't.


  • #18
    [Deleted User]
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    It's ironic that the first people who tried to revive the language over 120 years ago were protestants.


  • #19
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No it isn't.

    Fcuk. That's right. It was Samoan.


  • #20
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No it isn't.


    Gwan. Enlighten me.


  • #21
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It's ironic that the first people who tried to revive the language over 120 years ago were protestants.

    They were also the ones to try stamp it out initially.


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  • #22
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    david75 wrote: »
    Gwan. Enlighten me.
    No one knows what language the people of pre celtic Ireland spoke.


  • #23
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    No one knows what language the people of pre celtic Ireland spoke.

    Maybe they spoke Irish.


  • #24
    [Deleted User]
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    david75 wrote: »
    They were also the ones to try stamp it out initially.
    No that was the (Cromwellian) republicans.


  • #25
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Banjo String wrote: »
    Maybe they spoke Irish.
    Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.


  • #26
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    ............

    A language should be a neutral tool of communication but in the real world they're often hijacked by certain groups for their own political agenda. Chittick is responding disproportionally to what he sees as a threat to his culture. I don't think he has any genuine dislike of the language, in fact he even mentions his predecessor spoke it.

    He also brings in comparisons with Hitlers takeover of the Sudetenland. Evidently he's just full of warmth.


  • #27
    david75
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,611 ✭✭✭david75


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.

    By those lights you don't know they didn't.


  • #28
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Irish is a celtic language, the first Irish spoken in Ireland was primitive Irish, the language written on ogham stones. No one knows what language(s) people spoke before the celts came but it wasn't Irish.

    Utter nonsense. The celts didn't come. ( we aren't really celts). The previous people were not exterminated. What crap.


  • #29
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Frank Lee Midere wrote: »
    Utter nonsense. The celts didn't come. ( we aren't really celts). The previous people were not exterminated. What crap.
    When did I ever say the previous population was exterminated? Please try and read the conversation before you label people's posts are "crap". My post was in response to a poster who claimed Irish was our original language.


  • #30
    Iwasfrozen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    david75 wrote: »
    By those lights you don't know they didn't.
    The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

    The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

    Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.


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  • #31
    [Deleted User]
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    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    The Ceide fields in Mayo prove that Ireland has been inhabited since at least 3,500 BC

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland#Prehistoric_Ireland

    The Indo-European languages (of which Irish belongs) didn't arrive in Ireland until around 1000BC

    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

    Irish is not the original language of Ireland like you claimed.
    Who knows what caused the language shift or was it a population replacement/assimilation back then as it was before recorded history.

    Nothing whatsoever to do with the original point of this thread though.


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