Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

LookingFor · 01-02-2014 07:09PM

No

Susan Phillips on this...oh lord. Not again.

She's the person I referred to earlier who was accusing gay people of 'trying to pinch my marriage' during the PrimeTime civil partnership debates. Not homophobic at all, of course.

I'm trying to remember - but is she a member of Iona? Does she rep Iona? I thought she was introduced as such during the civil partnership debates but I'm not 100% sure.

Obliq · 01-02-2014 07:11PM

No

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

But some people genuinely believe marriage should just be between a man and a woman, and would also be opposed to polygamy. I don't agree with them or even understand them, but if they believe marriage should be between one man and one woman, how is that homophobia? Not agreeing with interracial marriage is not about believing marriage should only be between one man and one woman.

How can you justify anyone taking a stance about some people being different, or not equal to other people? It is more for you to say how these "genuine beliefs" in people's unequal right to marry could somehow be a righteous position, than it is for us to accommodate that strange and alienating belief.

Lots of people held a genuine belief that whites were better than blacks. They were wrong because they thought some people were unequal to others. For the most part, that belief was down to what they had been taught and their lack of education to the happy position that we are all equal (or should be).

Daith · 01-02-2014 07:11PM

No

LookingFor wrote: »

Susan Phillips on this...oh lord. Not again.

She's the person I referred to earlier who was accusing gay people of 'trying to pinch my marriage' during the PrimeTime civil partnership debates. Not homophobic at all, of course.

I'm trying to remember - but is she a member of Iona? Does she rep Iona? I thought she was introduced as such during the civil partnership debates but I'm not 100% sure.

Some man should tell her she pinched voting of him and now his right to vote has been damaged.

I don't believe she is a member of Iona though. They're far too clever to be caught out in a debate.

Femme_Fatale · 01-02-2014 07:11PM

20Cent wrote: »

Question then is why they believe that. Only answer seems to be that they consider homosexual marraige inferior.

Zachariah Purple Drug wrote: »

Because it's an irrational aversion to homosexuality and denying them rights based on that.

But if they were also opposed to polygamy because it's not marriage between a man and a woman, why would it be homophobia rather than just believing marriage should be one particular way?

Daith · 01-02-2014 07:14PM

No

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

But if they were also opposed to polygamy because it's not marriage between a man and a woman, why would it be homophobia rather than just believing marriage should be one particular way?

But if they were also opposed to polygamy because it's not marriage between one white man and one white woman, why would it be racism rather than just believing marriage should be one particular way?

Look I think a child should have two parents. I think it's the best for that child. What I'm not though is anti-single parents. I don't actively suggest that having two parents is more special than having one parent. I don't campaign so that the child of one parent should have less rights.

I don't think believing that marriage should be something makes you a racist or homophobe. It's when you view other relationships less special than marriage that there's an issue.

Daith · 01-02-2014 07:32PM

No

I should also point out that alot of Iona's views were applicable to civil partnership too. I hate the fact that it's suddenly all about marriage and they're being only called homophobes based on marriage.

efb · 01-02-2014 07:45PM

No

Saw this on twitter

20Cent · 01-02-2014 07:45PM

No

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

But if they were also opposed to polygamy because it's not marriage between a man and a woman, why would it be homophobia rather than just believing marriage should be one particular way?

But why do they believe marriage should be a particular way?
There must be a reason, they must think that ssm has some negative affect.

Femme_Fatale · 01-02-2014 07:57PM

20Cent wrote: »

But why do they believe marriage should be a particular way?
There must be a reason, they must think that ssm has some negative affect.

But maybe not if they're also opposed to polygamy.

20Cent · 01-02-2014 08:05PM

No

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

But maybe not if they're also opposed to polygamy.

We're not having a referendum on polygamy though.

LookingFor · 01-02-2014 08:07PM

No

Daith wrote: »

I should also point out that alot of Iona's views were applicable to civil partnership too. I hate the fact that it's suddenly all about marriage and they're being only called homophobes based on marriage.

I think Iona would love to be able to say that they supported partnership but that now it's 'just about marriage, too far!' etc. to try and make themselves seem more reasonable (vainly, I would suggest).

In fact, David Quinn is already trying to mislead here IMO. See his latest Independent column, where he claims he supported 'partnership rights' for gay couples. I'm not sure what rights he's referring to - the right to breathe air? - but when partnership law came onto the agenda for same sex couples he actively and vocally campaigned against it, with associated warnings and fear mongering. Perhaps he had his own idea of what 'partnership rights' gay couples should have, but putting it as he does in such an unqualified fashion would mislead people into thinking he's been on the pro side of rights advancements up until now, until the point of marriage equality.

Annasopra · 01-02-2014 08:21PM

No

LookingFor wrote: »

Susan Phillips on this...oh lord. Not again.

She's the person I referred to earlier who was accusing gay people of 'trying to pinch my marriage' during the PrimeTime civil partnership debates. Not homophobic at all, of course.

I'm trying to remember - but is she a member of Iona? Does she rep Iona? I thought she was introduced as such during the civil partnership debates but I'm not 100% sure.

No
She isn't in Iona. She was a County Councillor in Wicklow up until 99. She was also a memver of the Church of Ireland general synid.

She appears in the media a lot as a "political commentator"

She has a very LONG history of publicly opposing gay rights. She opposed decriminalisation of gwy male sex in 1993.
In 1997 she opposed IGLYO (International lgbtq youth) having a picnic at Glendalough!
In 2006 she was laughed off the late late show for telling Katherine Zappone and Anne Louise Gilligan they are not married.

01-02-2014 08:23PM

Being opposed to it just because it's ick or you want to be special is one thing, but trying to deny it from other people is another

Bobby42 · 01-02-2014 08:24PM

No

Sure during the constitutional convention he portrayed himself as some sort of champion of gay rights.

He went on and on about how much he supported homosexuality being decriminalised.

I went something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGVIwRLC3bQ

NuMarvel · 01-02-2014 09:11PM

No

Any day now David Quinn will claim it was he who encouraged David Norris to challenge the law on homosexual activity in the first place!

david75 · 01-02-2014 09:18PM

No

Is there going to be a different thread for tonight's debate or is it happening here?

EuskalHerria · 01-02-2014 09:36PM

No

RTE should recoup any compensation from increased viewers and charging advertisers more.
Hopefully they will have this as the first topic, save irregular viewers the pain of Brendan O'Connor.

david75 · 01-02-2014 09:42PM

No

Doubt it'll be given more than ten or fifteen minutes to be honest

Annasopra · 01-02-2014 10:45PM

No

85,000
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/iona-e1391293409148.jpg

Links234 · 01-02-2014 10:48PM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

85,000
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/iona-e1391293409148.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBCq8XDgrP0

Clandestine · 01-02-2014 10:48PM

80 grand? Oh man

I was astonished, I thought it was only a meager sum. The knowledge that tax payer money went to this is sickening. If I had one I'd cancel my tv licence in a heartbeat

david75 · 01-02-2014 10:49PM

No

A disgusting amount.

At least this'll make it an issue across all media this week.

AerynSun · 01-02-2014 10:50PM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

85,000
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/iona-e1391293409148.jpg

Well, whatever piece of the 85,000 pie John Waters got, at least he's now willing to support making gay marriage legal! :pac:

[Always look on the bright side of life, as the song goes...]

EuskalHerria · 01-02-2014 10:55PM

No

AerynSun wrote: »

Well, whatever piece of the 85,000 pie John Waters got, at least he's now willing to support making gay marriage legal! :pac:

[Always look on the bright side of life, as the song goes...]

I saw the quote from him saying "just legalise gay marriage now". A genius way of using reverse psychology.

If John Waters said it, I'm not so sure now....

lazygal · 01-02-2014 11:00PM

No

Anyone on for a campaign to stop paying the licence fee if this is where the money goes?

EuskalHerria · 01-02-2014 11:01PM

No

lazygal wrote: »

Anyone on for a campaign to stop paying the licence fee if this is where the money goes?

I started my own campaign years ago.

01-02-2014 11:02PM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

85,000
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:
http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/iona-e1391293409148.jpg

:eek::mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5mLjKI968g

Annasopra · 01-02-2014 11:47PM

No

Saturday night show was car crash

and Susan Philips tried to claim she didn't oppose decriminalisation

https://twitter.com/charlytwits/status/429758124749123584/photo/1

Suzy Byrne ‏@suzybie 28m
In the twenty years since Susan Philips has opposed gay clergy in Church of Ireland, same sex marriage and lgbt parenting #satnightshow
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Suzy Byrne ‏@suzybie 29m
In 1994 Susan Philips opposed an international lgbt youth conference held in Dublin going on a day trip and picnic to Wicklow #satnightshow
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Suzy Byrne ‏@suzybie 29m
In 1993 Susan Philips opposed the decriminalisation of homosexuality - I was in a radio debate with her on it. #satnightshow
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Suzy Byrne ‏@suzybie 29m
Susan's opinions for over 20 years .. As experienced by me and others - I don't want to shut her up at all and never have

eorpach · 01-02-2014 11:49PM

The introduction of someone who has actually been on the receiving end of homophobic violence sort of stole the thunder from the smiling panellist who repeatedly cried foul about the content of her Twitter feed, huh?

pl4ichjgy17zwd · 01-02-2014 11:49PM

No

mango salsa wrote: »

Saturday night show was car crash

and Susan Philips tried to claim she didn't oppose decriminalisation

https://twitter.com/charlytwits/status/429758124749123584/photo/1

"I'm not THAT old!" *crickets*

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