Gardai harrasing me?

wicklowstevo · 31-01-2014 06:08PM

tipptom wrote: »

Do they not have to tell you why they want to know your name and address?

despite what micheal d says , you do not have to be given a reason for a garda asking your name , if you fail to give it then yes you can be arrested for that to verify your name and address , which is a separate offence which carries a separate charge.

in practical terms . garda sees a lad doing something silly or in an area where he thinks he might be doing something or about to do something or carrying something he shouldnt be , so garda goes over to lad . howa lads whats the names? lad says im not telling you , garda thinks hello hello hello whats this fella trying to hide , might be he is thinking about running off coz he has a bit of something in his pocket or has a warrant or is wanted or something etc, of course thats a good way to got arrested if you want to get a nice sharp edge on your grinding axe.

some people around here need to take a deep breath and think about why they get stopped by the po po

masti123 · 31-01-2014 06:14PM

jimgoose wrote: »

It is a criminal offence to refuse to identify yourself to a Garda when required.

It is often said that 'If a Garda asks you for your name and address, you must give it to him'.
I've heard a lot of people say it and I hear activists say it to eachother with full conviction. I've heard cops and legal people say it. The ICCL even advise it.

It’s bull****, it’s a lie and we've got to get that into our heads. If you believe it's true then you must obviously have knowledge of the relevant provision in law, and please post it here as a comment, with ’chapter and verse’ please, if you do.

tipptom · 31-01-2014 06:16PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Huge difference here is somebody attacking the Gardaí is doing something wrong. If you took up what I said saying a Gardaí can't defend himself you are way off. I have not heard of one story of the Gardaí having their jaws broken by children.

I didn't say anything resembling Culchie Gardaí being trained in youth culture. I said they have no comprehension of true urban underprivileged environment. They literally don't have the social skills or comprehension to defuse a situation instead they act like storm troopers and make situations worse.

Not seeing any Gardaí victims in what I have described. Does it mean it is OK they attack innocent people because they get attacked? That sounds like saying that a form of psychosis is acceptable in the Gardai. They are allowed attack people because their job is hard.

Saying somebody beaten up by the cops is fair enough because they probably didn't show enough respect as the cops are only human is not acceptable to me and NEVER will be. They should be held to a higher standard than a normal citizen not a lesser one and when on duty that is completely solid no movement they cannot attack people and cover for each other. If you accept this corruption then accept it all from the banks to the politicians.

What absolute rubbish,stormtroopers,no social skills,no comprehension of an urban underprivileged environment, so an underprivileged environment stops when you step out of the confines of Dublin then?
You're not a social worker or youth worker by any chance?

You had a bad experience or heard of some with nasty coppers that happened to be born outside Dublin.
You need to get over your prejudices and hatred before it eats you up.

Ray Palmer · 31-01-2014 06:21PM

JohnnyChimpo wrote: »

Tbf I don't think the Gardaí press office are gonna put out a memo when one of the lads takes a bateing off some 15yo scummer amateur boxer.

Sure look how they were with those pictures of the horse trying to ride the Garda in Smithfield. Didn't see the funny side at all.

So they don't press charges against them? Now that is unbelievable.

RDM_83 again · 31-01-2014 06:22PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Huge difference here is somebody attacking the Gardaí is doing something wrong. If you took up what I said saying a Gardaí can't defend himself you are way off. I have not heard of one story of the Gardaí having their jaws broken by children.

I didn't say anything resembling Culchie Gardaí being trained in youth culture. I said they have no comprehension of true urban underprivileged environment. They literally don't have the social skills or comprehension to defuse a situation instead they act like storm troopers and make situations worse.

Not seeing any Gardaí victims in what I have described. Does it mean it is OK they attack innocent people because they get attacked? That sounds like saying that a form of psychosis is acceptable in the Gardai. They are allowed attack people because their job is hard.

Saying somebody beaten up by the cops is fair enough because they probably didn't show enough respect as the cops are only human is not acceptable to me and NEVER will be. They should be held to a higher standard than a normal citizen not a lesser one and when on duty that is completely solid no movement they cannot attack people and cover for each other. If you accept this corruption then accept it all from the banks to the politicians.

I am not a huge fan of the Gardai and that May Day stuff was disgraceful and a guy I know was very badly treated by them once, but that line about "true urban underprivileged environment" is interesting to me, why should those areas and their inhabitants be expected to receive a higher level of tolerance for behavior that wouldn't be tolerated in more "normal" areas.

Edit: Not a garda hater either I know two lads personally that are in the force and they are both decent guys

Ray Palmer · 31-01-2014 06:30PM

tipptom wrote: »

What absolute rubbish,stormtroopers,no social skills,no comprehension of an urban underprivileged environment, so an underprivileged environment stops when you step out of the confines of Dublin then?
You're not a social worker or youth worker by any chance?

You had a bad experience or heard of some with nasty coppers that happened to be born outside Dublin.
You need to get over your prejudices and hatred before it eats you up.

Maybe you can't comprehend saying somebody doesn't have the social skills is not same as saying they have no social skills. They don't have the social skill do deal in the environment they are in.

I didn't have A bad experience I had many over a number of years. I am perfectly well rounded I am argue on here about a point that certain people can't comprehend such as yourself. You clearly don't as you can't understand what is being said.

So you are wrong I have a prejudice I have experience which you don't. I would never say a Dubliner should go down and police a rural deprived area and would think it stupid to think they should. It goes both ways

I am not a social working or a scumbag

wicklowstevo · 31-01-2014 06:35PM

masti123 wrote: »

Basically every 1 or 2 weeks I get stopped and searched by the Gardai, for no reason all i'm doing is walking, they always come up with excuses as to why they're searching me eg. 'I thought you were smoking a joint' (It was a rollie), 'That field you came out of is well known for drug use' etc. What can i do/say to stop this? thanks

this whole thread is starting to stink, tbh

the poster says he is a 17 year but other posts refer to him having at least two kids ???? ok possible , and another post refers to his intention to buy a house a lot less likely,

do you know any 17 year olds with two kids who can afford to buy a house ? might be there is a real reason why you are being stopped , or might be you are just trying to stir up some bad feeling against the "pigs "

tipptom · 31-01-2014 06:36PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

So they don't press charges against them? Now that is unbelievable.

Just google "Gardaí's jaw broken by youths", one particularly unsavoury case among them of kids in a park isolating a woman garda and breaking her jaw alongside the other her other horrific injuries,but feck it she was probably from Mayo anf didn't understand the special status that should be afforded towards the Dublin city underprivileged.

steddyeddy · 31-01-2014 06:36PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I am not a huge fan of the Gardai and that May Day stuff was disgraceful and a guy I know was very badly treated by them once, but that line about "true urban underprivileged environment" is interesting to me, why should those areas and their inhabitants be expected to receive a higher level of tolerance for behavior that wouldn't be tolerated in more "normal" areas.

Edit: Not a garda hater either I know two lads personally that are in the force and they are both decent guys

Well I don't believe in class distinctions based on economic differences but based on those criteria I have been both working class and educated class. Growing up in a disadvantaged area the gaurds treated me different than they do now. I suppose that's the difference in treatment a lot of people are talking about. Not wanting to be harassed by the gaurds for looking poor isn't looking for special treatment.

steddyeddy · 31-01-2014 06:38PM

How many people believe a state police force (guardians of the peace) should be allowed hit someone without physical provocation?

masti123 · 31-01-2014 06:40PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

this whole thread is starting to stink, tbh

the poster says he is a 17 year but other posts refer to him having at least two kids ???? ok possible , and another post refers to his intention to buy a house a lot less likely,

do you know any 17 year olds with two kids who can afford to buy a house ? might be there is a real reason why you are being stopped , or might be you are just trying to stir up some bad feeling against the "pigs "

I already cleared up why I posted that thrend and when have I said I have two kids? your the second person to go through all 180 of my posts big creep haha

Jonny7 · 31-01-2014 06:48PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

So once you think somebody is being an idiot it is okay to hit them. If you are Gardaí you expect your fellow cops to protect you for doing this. You don't see how that is a problem? Who is making this judgement call it is OK to beat one person over another? What is topping them doing it to people for no reason as they ACTUAL DO.

They aren't Judge Dread and physical punishment is illegal here too.

Utter ridiculousness to suggest somebody goes to A&E and wait however many number of hours for a punch.

So do you approve of the Gardaí involved in the May Day cover up?

No, I didn't say anything of the sort.

You clearly have some "issue" with cops. If you take this attitude and prejudice when dealing with them, you're pretty much guaranteed to have problems at some stage

Just treat them with respect like you treat should anyone else and you won't have issues - and if you do, you're well within your rights to log it/report it

steddyeddy · 31-01-2014 06:50PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

No, I didn't say anything of the sort.

You clearly have some "issue" with cops. If you take this attitude and prejudice when dealing with them, you're pretty much guaranteed to have problems at some stage

Just treat them with respect like you treat should anyone else and you won't have issues - and if you do, you're well within your rights to log it/report it

A man takes issue with people who were harassing him shocker! Next in the news ice is cold!

tipptom · 31-01-2014 06:54PM

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Maybe you can't comprehend saying somebody doesn't have the social skills is not same as saying they have no social skills. They don't have the social skill do deal in the environment they are in.

I didn't have A bad experience I had many over a number of years. I am perfectly well rounded I am argue on here about a point that certain people can't comprehend such as yourself. You clearly don't as you can't understand what is being said.

So you are wrong I have a prejudice I have experience which you don't. I would never say a Dubliner should go down and police a rural deprived area and would think it stupid to think they should. It goes both ways

I am not a social working or a scumbag

Do they have the social skills to deal with people from Foxrock who misbehave or should they just be chucked out of their jobs because of a one section of society.

There are loads of Dublin cops working outside of Dublin in rural deprived areas and it poses no problems and it does not appear to anybody that it is stupid that they do.

Where can you quote me saying you were a scumbag or acting like a scumbag?

You don't know what experiences I have had with cops and just because you say your right and I cannot comprehend you doesn't mean you are right.

wicklowstevo · 31-01-2014 06:54PM

masti123 wrote: »

I already cleared up why I posted that thrend and when have I said I have two kids? your the second person to go through all 180 of my posts big creep haha

"I cant let me kids out to play without them picking up syringes, dog sh!t is the least of my worries lol"
" kids" imply more than one
4/12/2014 people who dont clean up their dog crap thread

Jonny7 · 31-01-2014 06:59PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

A man takes issue with people who were harassing him shocker! Next in the news ice is cold!

The actual individuals involved or the whole profession?

Seriously comes across as the latter...

steddyeddy · 31-01-2014 07:03PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

The actual individuals involved or the whole profession?

Seriously comes across as the latter...

Well he has reason to distrust the individuals involved but you can't judge them all on the actions of bullies.

masti123 · 31-01-2014 07:03PM

wicklowstevo wrote: »

"I cant let me kids out to play without them picking up syringes, dog sh!t is the least of my worries lol"
" kids" imply more than one
4/12/2014 people who dont clean up their dog crap thread

heard it in a song so i thought id comment it ha youtube: 4real boss tv. Just wondering is your life really that boring that went through 13 pages of posts? :pac:

wicklowstevo · 31-01-2014 07:06PM

well is it better or worse than making up stories and posting them on the internet ?

systemicrisk · 31-01-2014 08:05PM

masti123 wrote: »

heard it in a song so i thought id comment it ha youtube: 4real boss tv. Just wondering is your life really that boring that went through 13 pages of posts? :pac:

Your explanations are dubious. If they are true you should make it clearer when you are quoting a song or posting for someone else because if you dont clarify this then when conflicting information is given im different threads ot looks like you are telling porkies.

fire_me · 31-01-2014 08:52PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

No, I didn't say anything of the sort.

You clearly have some "issue" with cops. If you take this attitude and prejudice when dealing with them, you're pretty much guaranteed to have problems at some stage

Just treat them with respect like you treat should anyone else and you won't have issues - and if you do, you're well within your rights to log it/report it

simplistic in the extreme , if you think all that is required to always receive unconditional respect and decency from AGS is for you to provide them with same , you are indeed naïve

weldoninhio · 31-01-2014 09:04PM

Raider190 wrote: »

And do you call when your property gets stolen ,your house gets broken into or you get assaulted . It ain't Ghostbusters

More anti garda sentiment from Santa Cruz . Will you ever change your tune. ???

I've only had a few dealings with the Gardai in my 31 years, but if i was robbed the only reason i'd go to the Gardai would be if whatever stolen was insured and i needed a police report. If it wasn't insured, there'd be no point calling them. Sitting in for 3/4 hours waiting for them to come and look around and get no follow up. Pointless.

I had a phone and wallet pickpocketed 2 weeks ago in Dublin. Wrote them off. No point calling the cops.

Jonny7 · 31-01-2014 09:31PM

fire_me wrote: »

simplistic in the extreme , if you think all that is required to always receive unconditional respect and decency from AGS is for you to provide them with same , you are indeed naïve

Wait, I've forgotten, who we bashing again, muslims? .. travellers?.. aahh the guards

sorry five hour old username..please continue to provide generalisations..

I'm surprised with the gross police brutality in this country, you can get away with posting such brave sentiment online

31-01-2014 09:45PM

OP is a 17 year old with more than one kid who was buying a house last year in Clondalkin. Start em young.

Trolls don't even bother their arse any more.

Gardai harrasing me?

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