Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

SpaceTime · 31-01-2014 03:30PM

One straight couple I know are considering demanding a civil partnership to show how ridiculous the whole lack of marriage equality is.

eyescreamcone · 31-01-2014 03:31PM

No

Daith wrote: »

They suggested that they would no longer perform the civil marriage part after the wedding if same sex marriage happened.

That's within their right.

I'd like to see everybody have go through a civil ceremony.
If you want a religious ceremony as well then that is your option.
Plenty of countries are set up like this.

J_E · 31-01-2014 03:31PM

No

Entirely speculative so far but

@goldenshots: BREAKING: unconfirmed reports that John Waters got 30k from @rte & IONA ppl got 11k each. Beyond outrageous if true. #TeamPanti #pantigate

If that's true...that's outrageous. Will have to see if it holds any truth.

Edit: Second source saying it's 52k.

Zubeneschamali · 31-01-2014 03:32PM

No

Daith wrote: »

They suggested that they would no longer perform the civil marriage part after the wedding if same sex marriage happened.

This is the case in lots of countries: you have to go to an office and do the civil thing even if you get "catholic" married by a priest. I think it would be no harm to separate the two in people's heads.

SpaceTime · 31-01-2014 03:33PM

eyescreamcone wrote: »

That's within their right.

I'd like to see everybody have go through a civil ceremony.
If you want a religious ceremony as well then that is your option.
Plenty of countries are set up like this.

That is the situation in France for example and it seems to work fine.
They like to keep a proper separation of church and state what with being an actual republic and all and actually meaning "liberté, egalité, fraternité" rather than just paying lip service to it.

They had their big gay marriage debate too and it turned nasty, but it passed.

France has a *big* and very increasing problem with far right politics though which plays into a lot of those kinds of debates.

Daith · 31-01-2014 03:34PM

No

SpaceTime wrote: »

The church threatening to refuse to sign and process civil marriage paperwork will simply result in a lot more couples deciding they're more hassle than they're worth and going for the totally civil option.

To be honest I thought the Church would do this anyway. It would mean that only actual Catholics who want to get married in a Church under the eyes of their god and religion would do so.

SpaceTime · 31-01-2014 03:35PM

Daith wrote: »

To be honest I thought the Church would do this anyway. It would mean that only actual Catholics who want to get married in a Church under the eyes of their god and religion would do so.

Well, it's a religious organisation but it's also a charity/business of sorts too. No weddings = less money = roof falling in & priests not being paid.

They're more pragmatic than you'd think

Like any organisation, bums on seats counts - particularly if they're paying the bills. So, frightening off the punters by turning all dogmatic isn't likely to happen.

Call me a cynic, but I am pretty convinced that's what's driving the current reforms at the vatican. They can see the writing on the wall (and in the current account).
Organisations don't survive for the length of time the Catholic Church's been around without being quite savvy about the PR & marketing.

Ghost Buster · 31-01-2014 03:38PM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Entirely speculative so far but

@goldenshots: BREAKING: unconfirmed reports that John Waters got 30k from @rte & IONA ppl got 11k each. Beyond outrageous if true. #TeamPanti #pantigate

If that's true...that's outrageous. Will have to see if it holds any truth.

Why oh why and why would Waters get more?

Zubeneschamali · 31-01-2014 03:39PM

No

Ghost Buster wrote: »

Why oh why and why would Waters get more?

He was on the BAI, RTÉ's regulator.

J_E · 31-01-2014 03:41PM

No

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He was on the BAI, RTÉ's regulator.

That would be the idea anyway

SpaceTime · 31-01-2014 03:41PM

To be fair, he did resign from the BAI.

Bannasidhe · 31-01-2014 03:43PM

No

SpaceTime wrote: »

To be fair, he did resign from the BAI.

Thought he did that after he complained...

Zubeneschamali · 31-01-2014 03:47PM

No

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Thought he did that after he complained...

I'd imagine that it was pointed out that he could hardly take cash off RTÉ and continue in the role, so he quit and took the cash.

diddlybit · 31-01-2014 03:48PM

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Entirely speculative so far but

@goldenshots: BREAKING: unconfirmed reports that John Waters got 30k from @rte & IONA ppl got 11k each. Beyond outrageous if true. #TeamPanti #pantigate

If that's true...that's outrageous. Will have to see if it holds any truth.

Edit: Second source saying it's 52k.

Horrified.

J_E · 31-01-2014 03:48PM

No

It's still not confirmed, but utterly sickening if true, and I hope RTE get into a lot of **** over it.

rainbow kirby · 31-01-2014 03:49PM

No

*barf*

SpaceTime · 31-01-2014 03:50PM

Is this a job for the Public Accounts Committee?

They're kinda the new super-heros of the Dail! (I say that with my tongue in my cheek)

Should anyone wish to raise any issues about public moneys with them :

Here's the current membership list:

http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/oireachtasbusiness/committees_list/public-accounts/members/

If RTE are spending public money, it would surely be within their remit to look into it?

Ghost Buster · 31-01-2014 03:57PM

No

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

He was on the BAI, RTÉ's regulator.

And so was more damaged?

Zubeneschamali · 31-01-2014 04:04PM

No

Ghost Buster wrote: »

And so was more damaged?

This wasn't damages awarded by a court, this was Pay-Up-Or-Else money.

Waters had more Else to threaten them with.

Ghost Buster · 31-01-2014 04:12PM

No

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

This wasn't damages awarded by a court, this was Pay-Up-Or-Else money.

Waters had more Else to threaten them with.

Very Christian all together

floggg · 31-01-2014 04:23PM

No

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

This wasn't damages awarded by a court, this was Pay-Up-Or-Else money.

Waters had more Else to threaten them with.

Though his comments are most easily identifiable as homophobic. Far less nuanced.

Sarky · 31-01-2014 04:27PM

No

Oh, this looks interesting. Irish Times journalist Ronan McGreevy just tweeted that Pat Rabbite has made some statements on this fiasco, including "those who dish the stick should be able to take it too."

Did he just tell the Iona Institute to grow a pair, if you'll excuse the expression?

returnNull · 31-01-2014 04:29PM

No

Sarky wrote: »

Did he just tell the Iona Institute to grow a pair, if you'll excuse the expression?

hopefully a gay pair too for extra points

Foxhound38 · 31-01-2014 04:34PM

No

Sarky wrote: »

Oh, this looks interesting. Irish Times journalist Ronan McGreevy just tweeted that Pat Rabbite has made some statements on this fiasco, including "those who dish the stick should be able to take it too."

Did he just tell the Iona Institute to grow a pair, if you'll excuse the expression?

Full statement

Proper order IMO

Taco Chips · 31-01-2014 04:42PM

No

Those compensation numbers are scandalous. My mouth is actually hanging open. Disgraceful he shouldn't have gotten a red cent. Disgusting pigs.

hotmail.com · 31-01-2014 04:43PM

No

Them Christians will surely donate their "damages" to charity..surely?

Sarky · 31-01-2014 04:44PM

No

As Geoff Shorts said recently, like any good follower of Jesus they'll give it all to the poor and not interfere in non-Judeo-Christian marriage.

Days 298 · 31-01-2014 04:47PM

No

Why are they allowed to call themselves an Institute. They are lobbyists not scholars or researchers. Its misleading to the average person when a survey or report is cited and is made by The Iona Institute. Credible name for a sickening organisation

Maximus Alexander · 31-01-2014 04:50PM

No

I did always have a soft spot for Rabbitte.

J_E · 31-01-2014 04:50PM

No

Days 298 wrote: »

Why are they allowed to call themselves an Institute. They are lobbyists not scholars or researchers. Its misleading to the average person when a survey or report is cited and is made by The Iona Institute. Credible name for a sickening organisation

There is no naming convention in Ireland for the word Institute. I could set up the Institute of Apples and Oranges and it would be fine.

Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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