Your reasons for emigrating

ArnieSilvia · 28-01-2014 10:21AM

lufties wrote: »

I admire your positiveness and you are right, emigration/immigration is the norm nowadays. With regard to Ireland, I wish the government had the foresight to invest in indigenous industry, they seem to just rely on the whims of multinationals coming in and out. This cannot be sustained. For example, we don't even own our fisheries, why is this? we also had a beet industry that is no more.
As much as I dislike FG/Lab/, I can see what they are trying to do with the I.T sector and food/agriculture, which is a good thing. A lot more could be done though and with a change in perspective, Ireland could be a thriving nation.

On a side note, another thing is booze. Not all of us are p1ssheads of course, but a lot of us are without going into statistics. We Irish, including myself need to shake off the 'drunken' stereotype and our destructive relationship with alcohol. In my opinion, this is the root of a lot of our problems.

Drink problem is an issue I have to admit. I take weighed view though having seen English etc. on holidays. I don't drink, and see how many lives and families here are ruined by this. Genuinely nice, and more importantly very intelligent people get dragged into drink (with obvious consequences) and I dare to say that this is a big factor on Ireland's economy which could be booming otherwise.

Can't stand constant nagging at work about going out drinking and "drink talk". One of guys set up "piss up fund" that we are meant to do betting (another thing I hate) and outcomings will be spent on a night out (drink). With a reminder on Outlook coming in!!!

Don't want to drag off thread but Germans found out a long time ago that multinationals are quick to come in and quick to get out of the country. Problem is, by doing this they cause a lot of sociological trouble. People move into the region, houses, services are built and then they are left with nothing. In the region I come from, coal mining is a big industry and it will run out in 25 years. There was a delegation from Rhein-Ruhr Gebiet (traditionally they had heavy industry there as well) who are 25 years ahead of the same issue and they advised to avoid multinationals at all costs.

Talking about costs, I admire Ireland for free water. Wait till the meters come in. Water is very expensive everywhere. And if water managing company is sold, say bye bye to cheap water. Where I come from water bill is way more than electricity. I expect to pay 150 euro monthly for water in few years here.

28-01-2014 10:28AM

I moved to England about 6 months ago.

Reason for moving was the job I was applying for was within my company and I could keep my length of service and get a better job in a better area for better money.

This particular job would have been next to impossible to get in Dublin (closer to front office financial services).

My plan is to work it and move around the department for a couple of years experience, add it to my CV and then look around Dublin to see if my CV is of any use to employers.

I am happy where I'm living, and don't feel homesick just yet (hard to when I have boards.ie and Ryanair)

mandrake04 · 28-01-2014 10:41AM

maninasia wrote: »

Ask the average Aussie on their views on the black fellas or refugees, listen to the answers.

Define an average Aussie?

lufties · 28-01-2014 10:52AM

ArnieSilvia wrote: »

Drink problem is an issue I have to admit. I take weighed view though having seen English etc. on holidays. I don't drink, and see how many lives and families here are ruined by this. Genuinely nice, and more importantly very intelligent people get dragged into drink (with obvious consequences) and I dare to say that this is a big factor on Ireland's economy which could be booming otherwise.

Can't stand constant nagging at work about going out drinking and "drink talk". One of guys set up "piss up fund" that we are meant to do betting (another thing I hate) and outcomings will be spent on a night out (drink). With a reminder on Outlook coming in!!!

Don't want to drag off thread but Germans found out a long time ago that multinationals are quick to come in and quick to get out of the country. Problem is, by doing this they cause a lot of sociological trouble. People move into the region, houses, services are built and then they are left with nothing. In the region I come from, coal mining is a big industry and it will run out in 25 years. There was a delegation from Rhein-Ruhr Gebiet (traditionally they had heavy industry there as well) who are 25 years ahead of the same issue and they advised to avoid multinationals at all costs.

Talking about costs, I admire Ireland for free water. Wait till the meters come in. Water is very expensive everywhere. And if water managing company is sold, say bye bye to cheap water. Where I come from water bill is way more than electricity. I expect to pay 150 euro monthly for water in few years here.

Yes drink is a scourge, I have a bit of a drink problem myself and am determined to conquer it. Booze has given me great fun and has been a good crutch to me, but it also has played a part in damaging my relationships and friendships throughout my life so far. All that money spent and nothing to show for it only emotional turmoil. Anyway, I'm going off thread so onwards and upwards.

I spent time in Germany and found it ok to live, disposable income was pretty much the same as I had in Ireland, but with the benefit of public health cover. If I lived in Ireland again I would try focus on more positive things like family, eating and resting well, and keeping physically active. Now that I've seen some of the world after 5 years of being overseas, Ireland doesn't seem so bad. I'm not ready to move back though as my career is important to me at the moment, and London has a lot to offer in that respect.

cloudatlas · 28-01-2014 03:10PM

It's interesting that drink is mentioned a lot. I actually know someone who moved to Ireland as part of a positive step when they were recovering from alcohol abuse. I presume it helped that he got away from people and a place where his drinking incubated. Ireland was a fresh start with no one to judge his past actions.

I don't know if people will agree but I think it's hard to compartmentalize your life here there is too much of a social over lap, if you have an interest in something you can be sure you will meet people from other spheres of your life while pursuing that interest because Ireland is so small, some people enjoy that but sometimes I find it off putting.

maninasia · 29-01-2014 03:19PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Define an average Aussie?

I guess it would be the average voter who keeps supporting governments to put refugees in prison like conditions on tropical islands NOT in Australia.

There's a lot of kick back about my comments, and by no means am I saying all Australians are the same, but there's a certain way of thinking in Australia that even becomes ingrained in recent immigrants there.
And the treatment of aboriginals was an absolute disgrace, the apology was a LONG time in coming and their land rights have never been adequately dealt with. From my way of thinking every aboriginal alive in Australia today should be a multi millionaire considering the wealth in the land that was stolen from them.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-week/leading-article/9012731/the-right-man/

Abbott, a former seminarian and Rhodes scholar, did what none of his contemporaries dared: he opposed the progressive consensus. His opposition to the carbon tax and plans to turn back unlawful boat arrivals resonated with his party’s conservative base as well as Middle Australia, where the political gravity remains right-of-centre. With simple, unequivocal slogans and policies (‘Stop the boats’, ‘Stop the carbon tax’) Mr Abbott ruthlessly attacked Labor’s indecision and obfuscation. It worked, Labor panicked and replaced Rudd with Julia Gillard. When she failed, they put Rudd back in. Australian voters seem unconvinced.

Irish people in general, while conservative in some ways (abortion), are not so easily led by sloganeering and 'anti this' or 'anti that'. Except maybe 'anti bankers' at this stage.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/australians-want-boat-arrivals-treated-more-harshly-poll-20140108-30g97.html

A strong majority of Australians, 60 per cent, also want the Abbott government to “increase the severity of the treatment of asylum seekers.”
Groups most strongly favouring harsher policies are older Australians (aged over 70 years – 68 per cent), and self-employed people (71 per cent). People in Queensland and Western Australia are slightly more supportive of a more severe approach (65 per cent and 64 per cent respectively) than in Victoria and NSW (both 62 per cent).
Only 30 per cent of Australians think asylum seekers should not be treated more severely, while 9 per cent are unsure.
A majority of Australians - 59 per cent - oppose refugees receiving government welfare assistance. Only 27 per cent believe that refugees should receive government support.

These views espoused above 'stop the boats' and 'stop the carbon tax' are occurring during the longest sustained boom in Australia's history. Hate to see what happens when things slow down!

SamAK · 29-01-2014 03:30PM

maninasia wrote: »

I guess it would be the average voter who keeps supporting governments to put refugees in prison like conditions on tropical islands NOT in Australia.

Just like Irish culchies, you get white Australian rednecks. The beer drinking, singlet wearing, ute driving types that moan about boat people 'ruining' 'their' country.

The 'stolen generation' of the Aboriginal people is a particularly black area....aboriginal children being removed from their families and forcibly integrated into white society.....until as recently as the 60's. I have heard that there are laws banning whites from going to certain areas of the outback where some groups of Aboriginals live, relatively untouched by the modern world.

I was invited to go to a traditional Aboriginal Corroboree while I was down there.....ended up not going, and I sincerely regret it. Next time, maybe. I am very interested in learning more about 'Dreamtime'.

Guess I was too young and stupid to appreciate the opportunity to experience first hand the customs and culture of one of the oldest indigenous groups on Earth.

mandrake04 · 29-01-2014 10:35PM

Well your average Aussie could likely be Black, Brown or Yellow not just white. So if you ask the average Aussie what does he think of a black fella you could get one of a dozen different answers.

Although I do get what you are saying, some people don't like them but it would be definitely a minority in general not that different to how many Irish people perceive the members of the traveling community, some people in Ireland think it's a perfectly acceptable form of racism but would never consider themselves racist.

Sort of makes me laugh and not in a good way.

mandrake04 · 29-01-2014 11:20PM

SamAK wrote: »

The 'stolen generation' of the Aboriginal people is a particularly black area....aboriginal children being removed from their families and forcibly integrated into white society.....until as recently as the 60's. I have heard that there are laws banning whites from going to certain areas of the outback where some groups of Aboriginals live, relatively untouched by the modern world.

I was invited to go to a traditional Aboriginal Corroboree while I was down there.....ended up not going, and I sincerely regret it. Next time, maybe. I am very interested in learning more about 'Dreamtime'.

Guess I was too young and stupid to appreciate the opportunity to experience first hand the customs and culture of one of the oldest indigenous groups on Earth.

The whole stolen generation thing is accepted as Australia's shame, it happened at a time when people were ignorant and thought that for the benefit of all concerned this was the best way of going about it, very similar time and attitude to the Magdalene Laundries, holy order orphanages and forced adoptions in Ireland.

There are aboriginal communities in remote areas that are called dry communities in that no alcohol is allowed and use opal fuel to prevent petrol sniffing, its against the law for outsiders to bring such into the communities. Domestic violence and child abuse is very high and most murdered aboriginals are done by other aboriginals. 40,000 years of tribal wars and settling differences with a spear is hard to rub out in just 200 years.

Indigenous people are 14 times more likly to be incarcerated than non-indigenous people, in WA it is 20 times.

Indigenous people are given preference in public employment and public services, extra benefits & family payments over all other citizens.

I have been on an Aboriginal culture tour in Broome, despite their problems a lot of these communities make the best of it and if you have a genuine interest they are happy enough to explain it.

jank · 30-01-2014 04:27AM

maninasia wrote: »

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Irish people in general, while conservative in some ways (abortion), are not so easily led by sloganeering and 'anti this' or 'anti that'. Except maybe 'anti bankers' at this stage.

Eh?? Oh we Irish, so enlightened and democratic. There are campaigns about anti everything in Ireland. Anti property tax, anti water charges, anti PS reform in the unions...Stones and glass houses comes to mind.
From my experience government here for its faults its much more accountable and transparent than in Ireland.

lufties · 30-01-2014 04:51AM

SamAK wrote: »

Just like Irish culchies, you get white Australian rednecks. The beer drinking, singlet wearing, ute driving types that moan about boat people 'ruining' 'their' country.

The 'stolen generation' of the Aboriginal people is a particularly black area....aboriginal children being removed from their families and forcibly integrated into white society.....until as recently as the 60's. I have heard that there are laws banning whites from going to certain areas of the outback where some groups of Aboriginals live, relatively untouched by the modern world.

I was invited to go to a traditional Aboriginal Corroboree while I was down there.....ended up not going, and I sincerely regret it. Next time, maybe. I am very interested in learning more about 'Dreamtime'.

Guess I was too young and stupid to appreciate the opportunity to experience first hand the customs and culture of one of the oldest indigenous groups on Earth.

You forgot to say 'mullet sporting'

Wompa1 · 30-01-2014 05:18AM

Money and to try something new. Took my first 'professional' job in Ireland back in 2007. Got lucky in that I had a job throughout the fallout BUT no bonuses, no raises, hit the glass ceiling pretty quick. So after nearly 5 years of that I put my CV online on American sites..less than 6 weeks later, I was in Arizona working a new job, not knowing anybody or anything about the place.

But it's been pretty fun so far. The money on offer here is crazy compared to back home. If I stayed in Ireland I could never achieve financial security or at least not by working!

Push Pop · 30-01-2014 06:40AM

Wompa1 wrote: »

Money and to try something new. Took my first 'professional' job in Ireland back in 2007. Got lucky in that I had a job throughout the fallout BUT no bonuses, no raises, hit the glass ceiling pretty quick. So after nearly 5 years of that I put my CV online on American sites..less than 6 weeks later, I was in Arizona working a new job, not knowing anybody or anything about the place.

But it's been pretty fun so far. The money on offer here is crazy compared to back home. If I stayed in Ireland I could never achieve financial security or at least not by working!

You're situation is very like mine, do you find yourself missing the rain? I actually do sometimes, it's weird. Sedona is stunning, I was there last month.

maninasia · 30-01-2014 06:43AM

jank wrote: »

Eh?? Oh we Irish, so enlightened and democratic. There are campaigns about anti everything in Ireland. Anti property tax, anti water charges, anti PS reform in the unions...Stones and glass houses comes to mind.
From my experience government here for its faults its much more accountable and transparent than in Ireland.

I take that on board, but at least it hasn't degenerated to sloganeering against foreigners or sloganeering FOR big business under Rupert Murdoch and mining billionaires directions. The odd gypsy kid aside...

That this hasn't happened yet in a big way, even if some parties could pick up some votes from a disgruntled minority who hate on foreigners and that Ireland has gone through a very bad patch, it does speak to the good aspects of Irish society, a certain maturity and levelheadedness in thinking. That's the real 'fair go' in action.

Ireland has taken on a massive amount of immigration (easily as much or more than Australia by percentage over the last 15 years from a minuscule amount of immigration previously).

Nelson Muntz · 30-01-2014 06:54AM

maninasia wrote: »

I take that on board, but at least it hasn't degenerated to sloganeering against foreigners or sloganeering FOR big business under Rupert Murdoch and mining billionaires directions. The odd gypsy kid aside...

That this hasn't happened yet in a big way, even if some parties could pick up some votes from a disgruntled minority who hate on foreigners and that Ireland has gone through a very bad patch, it does speak to the good aspects of Irish society, a certain maturity and levelheadedness in thinking. That's the real 'fair go' in action.

Ireland has taken on a massive amount of immigration (easily as much or more than Australia by percentage over the last 15 years from a minuscule amount of immigration previously).

Have you ever actually been to Australia? The entire place is built on immigration. Greeks, Vietnamese, Italians, English, Irish, South Africans & just about every other country on the planet is represented. Apart from a few bogans in Cronulla a few years ago, racial incidents are rare indeed.

jank · 30-01-2014 07:34AM

maninasia wrote: »

I take that on board, but at least it hasn't degenerated to sloganeering against foreigners or sloganeering FOR big business under Rupert Murdoch and mining billionaires directions. The odd gypsy kid aside...

That this hasn't happened yet in a big way, even if some parties could pick up some votes from a disgruntled minority who hate on foreigners and that Ireland has gone through a very bad patch, it does speak to the good aspects of Irish society, a certain maturity and levelheadedness in thinking. That's the real 'fair go' in action.

Ireland has taken on a massive amount of immigration (easily as much or more than Australia by percentage over the last 15 years from a minuscule amount of immigration previously).

Well the real argument is more nuanced than what you portray. I don’t like the "Stop the boats" mantra either much as I don't like those that jump on the issue and use it as a way to deplore the way Australia treats foreigners and so on. Plenty of hot air coming from both sides in that debate.

However, the keys things are this.

Conducting refuge policy via the means of illegal transports provided by people smugglers and human traffickers coming over from Indonesia is not the way to go. I don't think anyone would think that it is. This is illegal and more importantly highly dangerous for those travelling. Hundreds have died trying to make the journey. Vast majority of them come via Airplane anyway. (Although I don’t really understand it when one jumps on a plane in say Singapore or HK, land in OZ and say "I want to be classified as a refugee" Singapore and HK are not exactly warzones… but that is a different topic)

Secondly, most of these people would be economic refugees, not actual refugees in the traditional sense as we know it. Even if they land in northern Australia what should be done about them? Just hand them PR and be done with it? They will of course need to be processed.

Thirdly Australia is currently at No.3 in the rankings for the refugee resettlement after the US and Canada. It may of course do more, but so could every country.

Lastly, some people are rightfully concerned on exactly who is being left into the country. If you want to apply for a visa to almost any Western nation one is asked about the past and will need a police check. This is accepted as norm. Many people arriving have no such records therefore it is very hard to judge if it’s safe to leave them off walking the public streets. Stories like this make this pretty self evident.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/australian-judge-finds-muslim-cultural-differences-valid-excuse-for-rape/

Personally I don’t like seeing people who are trying to start a new life dying in the ocean, so any measure that can stop the people smugglers from exploiting people to this end will garner my support. The ALP solution under Gillard was found to be unconstitutional and they suspended the Pacific solution that was found to be most successful in stoping these boats and thereby saving lives. There are no easy answers and I definitely hear none (realistic ones) from the bleeding hearts.

Finally to add, no major party is asking for an overhaul to the present legal immigration methods or its curtailment and indeed currently 25% of the population is foreign born the vast majority living their lives in peace. For Sydney this figure is double. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-27/an-australia27s-foreign-born-population-on-the-rise-as-record-/5221196
Meanwhile in enlightened Europe there have been race riots in the UK, Sweden, Holland and France the past number of years... Oz is not utopia but it does things a lot better than most places.

mandrake04 · 30-01-2014 08:35AM

Actually Australia grants Permanent Residency to 190,000 people every year, every shade of colour and creed. Chinese, Indian top the list ahead of UK.

(incidentally only 2.7 % of the 190,000 are Irish)

They are not against foreigners at all, that's just a red herring.

They are not anti-refugee either the actually upped the Refugee quota from 13,750 to 20,000 as long as they come from UNHCR camp.

Aussies biggest gripe is not about real refugees, their biggest gripe is that they like a say in who comes to their country.... if they are from a UNCHR camp that's ok..... not someone who pays $10,000 to smuggled in.

Its all about the fair go, if someone pays to get on a boat then some poor bastard waiting in a camp to be resettled misses out.

jank · 31-01-2014 02:56AM

Agreed with the above, the notion that Australia is fundamentally racist and hate foreigners has its roots in the Australia of old and seeded with ignorance and stupidity that led ironically to previous racist polices of old. The figures and facts tell a different story yet people want to believe a narrative just to make themseleves feel superior. These people would classify themsevles as enlightend, educated liberals, again ironicly.

SamAK · 31-01-2014 01:14PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Actually Australia grants Permanent Residency to 190,000 people every year, every shade of colour and creed. Chinese, Indian top the list ahead of UK.

(incidentally only 2.7 % of the 190,000 are Irish)

Aussies biggest gripe is not about real refugees, their biggest gripe is that they like a say in who comes to their country.... if they are from a UNCHR camp that's ok..... not someone who pays $10,000 to smuggled in.

Or someone who pays ten grand to a native Aussie for a sham marriage.

Does happen

I'd love a permanent visa. As it stands, I used up my 1 year 417 work visa and stupidly missed out on the requirement for a second one by only working in regional areas for 60 days, when the minimum requirement is 90 or so.

I think the only way i'm getting back in is as a non-working tourist, sponsored employment before I get there or sufficient qualifications to pass their (confusing) points system!

Hence, i've committed to 6 years of higher level education here. I can completely uinderstand why the Aussie gov wouldn't want unskilled people...so i'm happy to do the time in a relevant industry in the North before I relocate.

All a pipedream for now..baby steps, baby steps!

mandrake04 · 31-01-2014 01:48PM

SamAK wrote: »

Or someone who pays ten grand to a native Aussie for a sham marriage.

Does happen

I'd love a permanent visa. As it stands, I used up my 1 year 417 work visa and stupidly missed out on the requirement for a second one by only working in regional areas for 60 days, when the minimum requirement is 90 or so.

I think the only way i'm getting back in is as a non-working tourist, sponsored employment before I get there or sufficient qualifications to pass their (confusing) points system!

Hence, i've committed to 6 years of higher level education here. I can completely uinderstand why the Aussie gov wouldn't want unskilled people...so i'm happy to do the time in a relevant industry in the North before I relocate.

All a pipedream for now..baby steps, baby steps!

Yeah but if you marry an Aussie you cant get PR straight away, they only give you a limited temporary visa for 2 years and then you still have to prove its an ongoing relationship, joint bank statements, household bills, lease/mortgage they really drill down. It would be 2 years of paperwork hell.

$10,000 wouldn't be worth it, like you say it does happen but maybe $100,000 would be closer.

they usually only give you straight to PR if you been married or in a relationship and have kids together.

points system not that confusing you only need 60, if you are not too old have useful qualifications and a few years experience and of course can read & write and speak English you meet the requirement.

But on saying that average over the last 5 years only 3800 Irish people per year qualify.

mandrake04 · 31-01-2014 03:04PM

jank wrote: »

The figures and facts tell a different story yet people want to believe a narrative just to make themseleves feel superior.

I sometimes think those on temporary visas tend to beat this drum the loudest, it's probably an over compensation for their lack of rights.... less than a second class citizen and it eats into them. One of late springs to mind in WA.

I think others hate to see those in Australia doing well, sure you know yourself begrudgement is like a national disease.

res ipsa · 31-01-2014 10:24PM

maninasia wrote: »

I take that on board,

Ireland has taken on a massive amount of immigration (easily as much or more than Australia by percentage over the last 15 years from a minuscule amount of immigration previously).

Ireland takes in unskilled workers /dole moles whereas Oz poaches skilled workers from around the world.

hegarty147 · 31-01-2014 10:29PM

I left Ireland for Canada not for employment reasons as I had a good job at home. I left because i was sick of the "depression and the recession" it was really getting me down. Everyone is so positive in Canada the public service is efficient, politics is not as dirty as home. Canada's biggest scandal is rob ford ffs.

I hate it when commentators in Ireland say all the emmigrants are forced from Ireland I wasnt forced I left of my own free will because I couldnt take there negativity anymore.

maninasia · 01-02-2014 06:40AM

jank wrote: »

Agreed with the above, the notion that Australia is fundamentally racist and hate foreigners has its roots in the Australia of old and seeded with ignorance and stupidity that led ironically to previous racist polices of old. The figures and facts tell a different story yet people want to believe a narrative just to make themseleves feel superior. These people would classify themsevles as enlightend, educated liberals, again ironicly.

A lot of kickback again, and as I mentioned immigrants to Australia take on these views against refugees (and not that surprising to be honest ). I've lived in Australia and experienced it's different parts first-hand.

'Stop the boats'...doesn't speak to a liberal population full stop. The poll results are above, the majority of Aussies don't agree with providing any welfare to refugees , legal or illegal, doesn't matter.

There are unanswered questions regarding aboriginal rights in Oz, I don't think that's really been dealt with at all (i.e. mineral rights..shouldn't they belong to the tribal groups that occupied that land for 1000s of years)?

Everything is fine until you mention giving the black fella his land rights back, then all hell breaks loose. You are talking about 100s of billions of AUD in play. An apology means nothing compared to that. There's bit and pieces given back to them but I guess since most of them were killed off and moved off the land it's fairly convenient all round.

At the same time I am not saying it is black and white either, it's obviously got a Western democracy with overall checks and balances...but I wouldn't paint it as some sort of multicultural 'fair go' haven, that's a myth.

The Aussie · 01-02-2014 06:44AM

mandrake04 wrote: »

it's probably an over compensation for their lack of rights.... less than a second class citizen and it eats into them. One of late springs to mind in WA.

And doesn't he squeal like a stuck Pig.....

How can it be sad and highly amusing at the same time is beyond me, aww bless.

The Aussie · 01-02-2014 06:53AM

maninasia wrote: »

There are unanswered questions regarding aboriginal rights in Oz, I don't think that's really been dealt with at all.

What like how do the British and their "imperial lap dogs" (;) LOL) of their time absolve themselves of all doings and leave another country to clean up their mess.....

maninasia · 01-02-2014 06:55AM

Eh..make sense man! I'm talking about how the Australian aborigines should be entitled to 100s of billions of mineral rights in Australia, now.
Instead you get people like this directing your politics for you. She got what she wanted in the end, money talks.

http://www.news.com.au/national/australias-richest-woman-cracks-over-carbon-tax/story-e6frfkp9-1226095904539

For the cost of building this trial mine alone, I could have bought myself a beautiful new private jet," Ms Rinehart said.
"But who would be paying the wages of these contractors if I had spent that on a luxurious private jet and two pilots instead?
"I could have gotten for myself one or two beautiful yachts, like many of my friends have, and employed six or more yacht crew and taken off.
"But I'm pleased with my choices to invest instead in Australia, as I know I've done something important for Australia's future, with the projects we have built to date."

Australian progressive policies

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-24923094

Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott has begun steps to scrap the carbon tax, introducing a repeal bill at the first meeting of the new parliament.

The Aussie · 01-02-2014 07:02AM

maninasia wrote: »

Eh..make sense man! I'm talking about how the Australian aborigines should be entitled to 100s of billions of mineral rights in Australia.

No your not....

maninasia wrote: »

But I guess since most of them were killed off and moved off the land it's fairly convenient all round.

So you want to try this again without the fluffing this time.

The Aussie wrote: »

What like how do the British and their "imperial lap dogs" (;) LOL) of their time absolve themselves of all doings and leave another country to clean up their mess.....

WilyCoyote · 01-02-2014 07:10AM

hegarty147 wrote: »

I left Ireland for Canada not for employment reasons as I had a good job at home. I left because i was sick of the "depression and the recession" it was really getting me down. Everyone is so positive in Canada the public service is efficient, politics is not as dirty as home. Canada's biggest scandal is rob ford ffs.

I hate it when commentators in Ireland say all the emmigrants are forced from Ireland I wasnt forced I left of my own free will because I couldnt take there negativity anymore.

Ditto! Even if the Irish weather seems tropical to our winter

playedalive · 01-02-2014 04:37PM

hegarty147 wrote: »

I left Ireland for Canada not for employment reasons as I had a good job at home. I left because i was sick of the "depression and the recession" it was really getting me down. Everyone is so positive in Canada the public service is efficient, politics is not as dirty as home. Canada's biggest scandal is rob ford ffs.

I hate it when commentators in Ireland say all the emmigrants are forced from Ireland I wasnt forced I left of my own free will because I couldnt take there negativity anymore.

Yeah the negativity can be infectious alright. Being unemployed, on top of the this depressing atmosphere, kinda increases the negativity in me. But I do think it is justified but it is kinda annoying that the place is full of 'depression and recession. You can get dragged in, unemployed or not.

Even though you don't like what the commentators say, it is true that many people are 'forced' to leave. I do like living in Ireland but there is very little opportunities and reasons for me to stay here careerwise at present. Maybe it's not all bad as it'll make me a better person. Nevertheless, it is not only 'forced' emigration and people do it of their own accord.

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