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Do you think the Iona Institute are homophobic?

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  • #332
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    No
    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    Just remember ''Gay community'' single fathers support you so in the future you can return the favour. :D

    You positive you're not one of us? Sure, you even have BEAR in your name. I'm going to have to look through the handwritten register... eireannBEAR bear bear... where is it now? (I'm the one who keeps the names of all of the gays in our 'community' book).

    :D


  • #333
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    walrusgumble wrote: »
    We now have new Constitutional provision about best interest of the child. Whether that improves the laws on guardianship rights of married and unmarried father being comparable is up in the air

    This does not have really have a postitive bearing on equal rights for fathers

    Unmarried fathers are still in the boat that they are. Even if a gay had a child from a hetro relationship, but is now married to another person (whether gay or hetro) , the relationship with the child is the same. It will help if the father was married to the mother (guardianship wise) or has little difficulty getting those rights as an unmarried dad

    Thanks for the reply,im not going to derail the thread any further and while i dont fully understand the implications of gay marriage for single dads,Some of the fathers rights groups believe it will have a positive effect in this area.


  • #334
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    AerynSun wrote: »
    You positive you're not one of us? Sure, you even have BEAR in your name. I'm going to have to look through the handwritten register... eireannBEAR bear bear... where is it now? (I'm the one who keeps the names of all of the gays in our 'community' book).

    :D

    My sons called eireann and his nickname is bear...but after words i did realize how ''gay'' my username sounds. :D


  • #335
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Find me these gay people who want to deny themselves rights and I'll give you a shiny penny!

    https://mobile.twitter.com/PaddyJManning
    https://mobile.twitter.com/richardwaghorne

    I'll await the shiny penny ;-)

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #336
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    No
    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Told ye


    ....everytime. Still no idea what his problem with it is either.


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  • #337
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    No
    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    My sons called eireann and his nickname is bear...but after words i did realize how ''gay'' my username sounds. :D

    That's okay, you're always welcome, whatever the name is or what it sounds like :)

    ... unless it has kkk in it, or something like that. Then we'd chase you away ;)


  • #338
    eorpach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 301 ✭✭eorpach


    mango salsa wrote: »
    https://mobile.twitter.com/PaddyJManning
    https://mobile.twitter.com/richardwaghorne

    I'll await the shiny penny ;-)

    I suspect that the individual in the second link you presented is only behaving that way to get a rise out of people and get his name out there - it's the worst form of journalism!


  • #339
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    mango salsa wrote: »
    https://mobile.twitter.com/PaddyJManning
    https://mobile.twitter.com/richardwaghorne

    I'll await the shiny penny ;-)

    Joke's on you Salsa girl! I didn't have a penny at all!

    And now I have the names of one of these 'gays' that every one is talking about.

    My research can begin.....


  • #340
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    No
    eorpach wrote: »
    I suspect that the individual in the second link you presented is only behaving that way to get a rise out of people and get his name out there - it's the worst form of journalism!

    I can't access the second one... drat. Just my luck.


  • #341
    floggg
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,821 ✭✭✭floggg


    No
    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    Im not pushed on this matter,but i will vote in favour,I find it disgraceful that the governments wasting money on a vote though,surely it can be pushed through without one.

    Just remember ''Gay community'' single fathers support you so in the future you can return the favour. :D

    I don't support the rights of single fathers in the hope of horse trading favours. I support it because providing fathers with rights with regard to their children and children rights with regard to their fathers is the right thing to do.

    In the same vein, I would hope when the marriage equality referendum takes place you vote yes because it's the right thing to do.


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  • #342
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    No
    AerynSun wrote: »
    I can't access the second one... drat. Just my luck.


    An arsehole of the 1st order, if I recall. Tried to do an American style right wing think tank here.


  • #343
    AerynSun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 544 ✭✭✭AerynSun


    No
    Nodin wrote: »
    Tried to do an American style right wing think tank here.

    I'm guessing it tanked?


  • #344
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    Nodin wrote: »
    An arsehole of the 1st order, if I recall. Tried to do an American style right wing think tank here.
    Yeah about 10 years ago. It fell apart - a lot of young turk PDs were involved.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #345
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Joke's on you Salsa girl! I didn't have a penny at all!

    And now I have the names of one of these 'gays' that every one is talking about.

    My research can begin.....

    Reminds me of when a poster was banned and went off to pridon complaining about the lesbian agenda.

    I really wouldn't bother researching Manning or Waghorne. They're not interesting. Mannings appearance on Primetime was frankly obnoxious.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #346
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    mango salsa wrote: »
    Reminds me of when a poster was banned and went off to pridon complaining about the lesbian agenda.

    Lesbian agenda sounds like a really great Kraut rock band to me.


  • #347
    Sierra 117
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 629 ✭✭✭Sierra 117


    No
    AerynSun wrote: »
    I'm guessing it tanked?

    Probably from a lack of think.


  • #348
    billy the squid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,811 ✭✭✭✭billy the squid


    The real question is, is the Iona institute a real institute?


  • #349
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    No
    billy the squid wrote: »
    The real question is, is the Iona institute a real institute?

    Don't be silly. Of course not.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #350
    NuMarvel
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,279 ✭✭✭NuMarvel


    No
    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    The debate has nothing to do with gay-marriage.
    Gay-marriage is a smokescreen

    The battle is to keep those dirty queers from adopting fine upstanding Aryan Catholic children, and preventing them from doing their communion and stuff!

    They're too late, we already can. I'm going off to adopt one now so I can tell them Santa doesn't exist. :P
    efb wrote: »
    Can you start s thread to discuss this rather than derail this one?

    That's been suggested to him numerous times before. But for someone who keeps bringing it up, he's amazingly reticent to talk about it in the appropriate venues.
    Phill Ewinn wrote: »
    I'm asking why. I still have no answer. The rights issues you are on about can be settled with civil partnership legislation. You have not explained why marriage should change.

    The position of marriage in the Constitution means that it can never have a direct equivalent. Civil partnership would always have to be in second place.

    Besides which, if you're okay with gay people getting the same rights and duties as marriage, why would you put the State through the inefficiencies of operating two separate, but identical laws and systems. It would be far simpler and more cost effective to just let gay people marry in the same way as heterosexual couples marry.
    eireannBEAR wrote: »
    Once gay marriage is made legal,will it have any positive bearing on equal rights for fathers??

    Not marriage itself, but the Minister for Justice is working on separate child and family relationships legislation that includes a piece about giving automatic guardianship to unmarried fathers. It's been in the news because of the extra protections it will give to children being raised by gay couples, but I think it will benefit far more heterosexual parents than gay parents. There's a briefing note here - http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Children%20and%20Family%20Relationships%20Bill%202013%20141113.pdf/Files/Children%20and%20Family%20Relationships%20Bill%202013%20141113.pdf.


  • #351
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    billy the squid wrote: »
    The real question is, is the Iona institute a real institute?
    There are no naming conventions in Ireland regarding calling yourself an Institute. Whereas in the UK and other places it's quite strict, you can call yourself a counsellor or institute and have no issues.


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  • #352
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    No
    Hey look!
    33 couples got married at the grammy's and don't harm anyone else's marriage

    http://www.upworthy.com/watch-33-gay-and-straight-couples-get-married-on-the-grammys-without-hurting-anyone-elses-marriage?c=ufb1


  • #353
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    amdublin wrote: »
    Hey look!
    33 couples got married at the grammy's and don't harm anyone else's marriage

    http://www.upworthy.com/watch-33-gay-and-straight-couples-get-married-on-the-grammys-without-hurting-anyone-elses-marriage?c=ufb1
    Just don't read the Youtube comments on these videos...people saying some atrocious things.


  • #354
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭Daith


    No
    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Just don't read the Youtube comments on these videos...people saying some atrocious things.

    In fairness that's all youtube comments...


  • #355
    eireannBEAR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,713 ✭✭✭eireannBEAR


    NuMarvel wrote: »

    but the Minister for Justice is working on separate child and family relationships legislation that includes a piece about giving automatic guardianship to unmarried fathers. It's been in the news because of the extra protections it will give to children being raised by gay couples, but I think it will benefit far more heterosexual parents than gay parents. There's a briefing note here - http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Children%20and%20Family%20Relationships%20Bill%202013%20141113.pdf/Files/Children%20and%20Family%20Relationships%20Bill%202013%20141113.pdf.

    Hi,Thanks for the reply,Nearly all the dads in fathers groups have guardianship,This legislation falls utterly short the problem is joint custody,So the mother legally has no right to deny access.


  • #356
    amdublin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭amdublin


    No
    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Just don't read the Youtube comments on these videos...people saying some atrocious things.

    :(


  • #357
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    No
    Are RTE going to have to issue an apology to the Iona crowd after broadcasting 'Same Love'at the Grammies?


  • #358
    _Redzer_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,056 ✭✭✭_Redzer_


    No
    efb wrote: »
    Are RTE going to have to issue an apology to the Iona crowd after broadcasting 'Same Love'at the Grammies?

    Funnily enough the news was on earlier and they covered it. Two lads were about to kiss and they cut it out. They must be trying to cover their ass


  • #359
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    No
    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Funnily enough the news was on earlier and they covered it. Two lads were about to kiss and they cut it out. They must be trying to cover their ass
    It's rather sad that two people of the same sex kissing is viewed as unacceptable during the evening news but twerking is liable to make it in....


  • #360
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    No
    Corkfeen wrote: »
    It's rather sad that two people of the same sex kissing is viewed as unacceptable during the evening news but twerking is liable to make it in....
    A lot of people are quite against the likes of gay men holding hands and kissing because it makes them feel sick apparently... (I don't mention women because while its still put in the same regard, people seem to have way less of a problem with it. I have seen lesbian couples many times on Dame St in evening time and nobody seems to throw any disgusting looks. Have two men and suddenly...)

    On a related note, RTE have put themselves in an awful position by bending to Iona's will so readily. Shows how easily they can be manipulated, and that is very worrying.


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  • #361
    Daith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭Daith


    No
    _Redzer_ wrote: »
    Funnily enough the news was on earlier and they covered it. Two lads were about to kiss and they cut it out. They must be trying to cover their ass

    Ha ha no way!


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