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Useless Weekend Nighsts in Rural Pubs

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    biko wrote: »
    *I am from Dublin and other pubs are bad...*

    Shouldn't you be dragging this off to a more appropraite geogrpahically based forum...?

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,323 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Where I stayed in Leitrim, Kinlough, there is just four pubs, I can understand why young folk scarper to hell out of there. Typical weekend entertainment in Kinlough consists of one guy with programmable keyboard with drum machine and a piano accordion who near enough plays in all the pubs throughout the weekend nights, well, Thursday to Sunday anyway. Mainly atrocious Irish C&W stuff. No doubt he will be practising some Garth Brooks numbers for the summer. Most of the young folk head off to Bundoran which has more pubs and nightclubs or Sligo, although they still seem like ghost towns sometimes compared to Galway.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Where I stayed in Leitrim, Kinlough, there is just four pubs, I can understand why young folk scarper to hell out of there. Typical weekend entertainment in Kinlough consists of one guy with programmable keyboard with drum machine and a piano accordion who near enough plays in all the pubs throughout the weekend nights, well, Thursday to Sunday anyway. Mainly atrocious Irish C&W stuff. No doubt he will be practising some Garth Brooks numbers for the summer. Most of the young folk head off to Bundoran which has more pubs and nightclubs or Sligo, although they still seem like ghost towns sometimes compared to Galway.

    Kinlough sounds like paradise compared to what I'm used to down this side. The fact that a pub can have music 4 nights would be very unusual in Southern half of the country. Yes, even poor music would be better than a silent, empty pub on a Saturday night.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Necrominus wrote: »
    Just back from my local (and supposedly dying) rural pub. Great crowd, great craic, reasonably cheap beer... what more could you ask for? I hate big towns and cities with their horrible swill most pass off as beer, loud music and large crowds. Worst thing is I'm only 27. Is something wrong with me?

    What part of the country? Leitrim or Longford more than likely? Certainly not Cork, Waterford or Tipperary.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    shedweller wrote: »
    Yawn.
    Obvious thank whore is obvious.
    It was just a joke - "thanks-whoring" gets applied to anything at all sometimes.
    ElecKtrA wrote: »
    East Cork???....ahh....come on..we all know there is no life in Whitegate :-P

    Cork City isn't that much better to be fair! Yes ..there are a few more pubs and clubs but they are rarely packed on a non-bank holiday/normal weekend! I'm afraid I'm afraid if you want some atmosphere then it's good aul Dublin...imo :-)
    Not my experience of Cork. There's no way it's "not much better than" the dead rural pubs, which are dead at the weekends, whereas Cork has places that are unbearably packed, e.g. Crane Lane. It's normal for pubs to be quiet on a week-night, even in Dublin. I love Dublin too though, and I'm not saying Cork is amazing, but it's strange to say Cork pubs are as quiet as rural ones that are even dead at weekends.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    Used to live on the Cork/Limerick border and there was always cracking nights to be had. Always made fell real welcome too. Shame it's gone that way.

    OP could it have anything to do with the amount of lads from the sticks that's moved away to find work? Just a thought.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    It was just a joke - "thanks-whoring" gets applied to anything at all sometimes.

    Not my experience of Cork. There's no way it's "not much better than" the dead rural pubs, which are dead at the weekends, whereas Cork has places that are unbearably packed, e.g. Crane Lane. It's normal for pubs to be quiet on a week-night, even in Dublin. I love Dublin too though, and I'm not saying Cork is amazing, but it's strange to say Cork pubs are as quiet as rural ones that are even dead at weekends.

    I agree 100% with this. There is no problem with Cork city pubs, always full. It is the county ones that problem is with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Staplor


    Last night I was in a small village pub in Limerick, the owner does what he should, friendly chap, looks out for the older customers, gets games of cards going, pool tournaments, live sport, live music, cleanish toilets. Grand little boozer. Last night I went for a few with my brother in law, he booked a taxi to collect him and bring him the 10 miles home, the taxi didn't show, didn't answer his calls. He had to sleep on the couch, busses from the boozers is what is needed, reliable transport.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Used to live on the Cork/Limerick border and there was always cracking nights to be had. Always made fell real welcome too. Shame it's gone that way.

    OP could it have anything to do with the amount of lads from the sticks that's moved away to find work? Just a thought.

    Yes, rural parts of Cork, Limerick, etc. are all nice and friendly places. I am from Laois originally but live in Cork at present. I find it a friendly place. But it is a shame how the pubs in rural places are dying.

    I think for one place in particular, a gang who used to play pool and darts disintegrated because 7 of them left to go to Australia.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,573 ✭✭✭pragmatic1


    Yeah my rural locals are so depressing I'd rather stay at home at this stage.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    Used to live on the Cork/Limerick border and there was always cracking nights to be had. Always made fell real welcome too. Shame it's gone that way.

    OP could it have anything to do with the amount of lads from the sticks that's moved away to find work? Just a thought.

    I don't like using the phrase (can't think of a better one) but people "grow up" as well, start getting married etc and oftentimes obeying 'her indoors' breaks up the camraderie.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    pragmatic1 wrote: »
    Yeah my rural locals are so depressing I'd rather stay at home at this stage.

    Saturdays are dead completely. Fridays are gone too. Only problem on Fridays staying home is that Tubridy Show and the family all watch it and I hate it! An empty pub ain't much better though. Sundays are about the best and can't understand why with the earlier closing and work the next day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,959 ✭✭✭gugleguy


    ElecKtrA wrote: »
    East Cork???....ahh....come on..we all know there is no life in Whitegate :-P

    I'm afraid if you want some atmosphere then it's good aul Dublin...imo :-)
    Dublin Northside or Southside or City Centre (O'Connell St / Abbey street ...)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,181 ✭✭✭Bleating Lamb


    Might not be the pc correct answer but fact is when Gaybo and his crew brought in the new drink driving limits it had a devastating effect in the morale if people of all ages in rural areas,the local pub had been a place to meet socially,talk about farming,politics.current events over a few drinks.the Stasi approach under Gaybo was death knell of crowds in pub and mental health of a lot of people of all ages in rural Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,184 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I live in a small village, there are 7 pubs here and 5 are now closed.

    I go into Galway maybe once a month or up to Dublin a few times a year, there is a good atmosphere and although the pint is more expensive it's a lot better than drinking one from here where the pipes are not maintained and theGuinness tastes terrible.

    The rural pubs did ok years ago where the local men went there every weekend but it's different these days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Might not be the pc correct answer but fact is when Gaybo and his crew brought in the new drink driving limits it had a devastating effect in the morale if people of all ages in rural areas,the local pub had been a place to meet socially,talk about farming,politics.current events over a few drinks.the Stasi approach under Gaybo was death knell of crowds in pub and mental health of a lot of people of all ages in rural Ireland.

    I think that all this has definitely contributed to the fall of the rural pub. With regard to drink driving: it is one of many examples of a tunnel vision, one dimensional approach to a problem. The aim is to 'reduce road deaths' whereas the aim should be to 'reduce road deaths without harming pub business'.

    With no bus services or even taxis, many are either forced to drink drive or stay home. As more stay home, others then who even have a lift stay away as there is no one to talk to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    I live in a small village, there are 7 pubs here and 5 are now closed.

    I go into Galway maybe once a month or up to Dublin a few times a year, there is a good atmosphere and although the pint is more expensive it's a lot better than drinking one from here where the pipes are not maintained and theGuinness tastes terrible.

    The rural pubs did ok years ago where the local men went there every weekend but it's different these days.

    I was in towns like Dromod, Manorhamiliton, Cavan, Mohill, Ballymahon, and so on and found the atmosphere here way, way better than what we have down in Southern Ireland at the time. It was a relief to get out of the Southern half of this country a few times last year and I will be arranging more time in Leitrim, Longford, Westmeath and the like again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭flynnlives


    Its quite simple really.

    What rurual pubs need is to turn into cafe bars. Were the selection of coffee and tea etc is as good as the drink available.

    If we go to the local one of us will have to drive and they will get a manky cup of tea from a filthy cup and near gone off milk and then get charged 3 euro for the slop.

    But alas publicans are only interested in feeding people pints. Society has changed. Time for the vintners to cop on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭AndonHandon


    flynnlives wrote: »
    Its quite simple really.

    What rurual pubs need is to turn into cafe bars. Were the selection of coffee and tea etc is as good as the drink available.

    If we go to the local one of us will have to drive and they will get a manky cup of tea from a filthy cup and near gone off milk and then get charged 3 euro for the slop.

    But alas publicans are only interested in feeding people pints. Society has changed. Time for the vintners to cop on.

    It's been said before but adapt or die. People are drinking a good bit less than they did 10 years ago, it's not all about alcohol in a pub!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 58,686 ✭✭✭✭Necro


    What part of the country? Leitrim or Longford more than likely? Certainly not Cork, Waterford or Tipperary.

    Sligo actually.Why that matters I'm not quite sure?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    Might not be the pc correct answer but fact is when Gaybo and his crew brought in the new drink driving limits it had a devastating effect in the morale if people of all ages in rural areas,the local pub had been a place to meet socially,talk about farming,politics.current events over a few drinks.the Stasi approach under Gaybo was death knell of crowds in pub and mental health of a lot of people of all ages in rural Ireland.

    Pubs and other businesses need to adapt to changing times (and minor trifles like laws designed to save lives) instead of sitting on their holes whinging about the nanny state.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    Necrominus wrote: »
    Sligo actually.Why that matters I'm not quite sure?

    The problem of poor nights in pubs is worse in some counties than others. Sligo, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford, etc. all tend to have a better community culture where the traditional Irish local pub is still doing ok in comparison to other places. A large part is that everyone makes the effort and tries their best.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    anncoates wrote: »
    Pubs and other businesses need to adapt to changing times (and minor trifles like laws designed to save lives) instead of sitting on their holes whinging about the nanny state.

    The current environment is hardly business friendly. While I am all for laws designed to save lives, these should be well thought out and not implemented in ways that do other damage. I am against drink driving but if that is to be implemented properly, a cheap form of transport to and from pubs and other venues needs to be implemented too. A lot lies at the government's door and something to kickstart rural business is well overdue (and the problem predates the 2008 onwards corruption economy).

    That said, it is true that some pubs have only themselves to blame for why they are the way they are. I know 2 or 3 where the owner is not even friendly to the customers and others where no entertainment whatsoever is laid on. Yet, such venues assume a god given right to have custom!

    It is often said that that some of the Western, Midlands and Northern counties are the poorest counties in Ireland (I'd put Kerry, Waterford and Cork (apart from the city) into the category too!). Yet, compared to the their poor Southern equivalents, overall people make the most of things, their pubs are much more welcoming, there is more entertainment and there is more of a sense of community. Medium sized midlands towns provide a far livelier and rewarding experience in general.

    While the state's attitudes are anything but helpful, I don't believe that an end to the corruption economy, a reform of the drink driving laws (to incorporate a cheap/free form of transport), cheaper drinks or even if there was no smoking ban would affect a lot of the dire pubs out there. Their owners have no enthusiasm and while negative government policy make have initiated this, positive government policy will not snap them out of it. They have gone down a road of indifference and hate owning the pub and want to sell but can't. The only hope for many is that the economy improves and innovative buyers come along to purchase them and revive them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    It's been said before but adapt or die. People are drinking a good bit less than they did 10 years ago, it's not all about alcohol in a pub!

    This is very true. I think the blind assumption of many publicans is to just provide drink and nothing else. What makes a pub is a nice crowd, music, sing songs, cards, live matches, etc. Drinking with nothing going on around you is no better or no worse than opening a bottle of wine and wasting it watching the Tubridy Show on a Friday night!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,378 ✭✭✭BuilderPlumber


    flynnlives wrote: »
    Its quite simple really.

    What rurual pubs need is to turn into cafe bars. Were the selection of coffee and tea etc is as good as the drink available.

    If we go to the local one of us will have to drive and they will get a manky cup of tea from a filthy cup and near gone off milk and then get charged 3 euro for the slop.

    But alas publicans are only interested in feeding people pints. Society has changed. Time for the vintners to cop on.

    True. Some publicans are totally uninventive. Most rural pubs often serve just Guinness and 2 lagers and that's it often. Another problem is that other drinks are frightfully dear like cider in a bottle. A nice selection of tea and coffee would be nice as you said. Especially in the cold weather, even for those drinking.

    The best aspects of pubs plus new ideas to enhance them is needed. More inventive bar food too.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    True. Some publicans are totally uninventive. Most rural pubs often serve just Guinness and 2 lagers and that's it often. Another problem is that other drinks are frightfully dear like cider in a bottle. A nice selection of tea and coffee would be nice as you said. Especially in the cold weather, even for those drinking.

    The best aspects of pubs plus new ideas to enhance them is needed. More inventive bar food too.

    There's a good bit of inventiveness in the uk, open mic nights, specials on food and pints, quizzes etc. There are people here who tend to pooh-pooh uk pubs as not having 'craic'...usually the '800 years of oppression' people with chips on the shoulder...and follow the Premiership and/or Corrie at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,187 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Saturdays are dead completely. Fridays are gone too. Only problem on Fridays staying home is that Tubridy Show and the family all watch it and I hate it! An empty pub ain't much better though. Sundays are about the best and can't understand why with the earlier closing and work the next day.

    Fcuk, that's grim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭gobnaitolunacy


    I'd walk ten miles and back for a pint rather than watch Tubbers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,925 ✭✭✭✭anncoates


    The current environment is hardly business friendly. While I am all for laws designed to save lives, these should be well thought out and not implemented in ways that do other damage. I am against drink driving but if that is to be implemented properly, a cheap form of transport to and from pubs and other venues needs to be implemented too. A lot lies at the government's door and something to kickstart rural business is well overdue (and the problem predates the 2008 onwards corruption economy).

    Exactly what I'm talking about.

    Business is failing and it's everybody else's problem - and expense - to rectify it.

    What is to stop rural publicans getting their hands on, or renting, a minibus and targeting a particular night to put on something in the pub. Get somebody in the community to drive the bus. Charge a fiver a head to sort out the driver.

    Fair enough though the government could do their bit by making it easier to make these types of initiatives work.

    I love the pub and I know it's a vital resource in small communities but it's a business and if the margin is that tiny as to make the initiative impossible, then it's not viable. I know plenty of people from rural areas that have adapted: taking turns to drive, etc.

    As with anything in Ireland (look at taxi drivers) it's often just a cry to unfairly shore up business that is refusing to adapt to demand and there are no shortgae of vested groups to do the bidding.


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  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Having grown up on essentially the outskirts of Connemara I can tell you that rural pubs, in my experience, are the most depressing places ever. Since there was nothing else to do in the village, we would spend the majority of our time in or around the local pub. Dour furnishings, glum lighting, elderly gents sat at the bar, staring at absolutely nothing, with others falling asleep on the bar stools. I was absolutely delighted to get the heck out of Dodge.


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