Amber [RTE] [ Spoilers ]

Happyman42 · 24-01-2014 11:04am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

for those of you that are annoyed at Amber....do not repeat do not watch this critically acclaimed movie!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387898/

Very good film, would teach a few of Amber's cast how to do 'enigmatic'.

RockDesk · 24-01-2014 11:11am

I realise I should have given a link to the interview. I can't seem to link directly but if you go to http://www.rte.ie/2fm/ and look at the very latest section, it's headed there. He starts talking about it 4 and a half minutes in.

To be honest, I really enjoyed the programme, and the ending didn't bother me. I just decided myself what I thought happened to her. But there are certain things that are unanswered from the programme, or I found to be completely irrelevant to the story and that really bothered me. Writers/producers shouldn't expect viewers to invest so much time into these characters and then decide that NOTHING needs to be explained. For example, we are assuming the guy in prison looked at the phone and saw the pictures, then told Terrence. But I don't buy that, I don't know how Terrence knew and I feel that should have been answered properly. Maybe they could have dedicated the time we saw the father having the escort over to the police/prison guards finding out who knew.

Also, I really didn't like how condescending the producer sounded in the interview above. That bothered me more than the ending, but I liked Ryan's handling of it.

BabysCoffee · 24-01-2014 11:23am

Wattle wrote: »

I'm not sure we were tricked into thinking that. And if we knew up front that there was no definite answer no-one would have watched it in the first place. In a way the ending reminded me of Picnic At Hanging Rock. There's no answer to the mystery in that film either. Mind you Amber is not a patch on that film.

Hanging Rock is an amazing film. The haunting music adds an incredible air to it.

kunst nugget · 24-01-2014 11:25am

Mardy Bum wrote: »

It was taking the mickey out of the stereotypical kidnapping and lazy script writing from numerous whodunit shows (postmodern tongue in cheek). If the writing was lazy we would have had a nice end with zero ambiguous scenes. It would have been nice and clear for a dumbed down audience who are used to Poirot and Midsomer Murders and the father would have killed the Amber. However we got something a little different without the spoon feeding that the vast majority of the audience has become accustomed to unfortunately.

Was the phone story also taking the mickey out of lazy script writing because that was atrocious writing…

I actually have no problem with the ending but the rest of it was so sloppy and ill-conceived. Accusing people who didn't enjoy this badly thought out mess of a programme of being dumbed down is ridiculous imo.

CountyHurler · 24-01-2014 11:26am

I think the final part was what seriously let the show down.. Dont get me wrong it hadnt been fantastic up to that, but it was at least watchable, if a little bit boring. But the ridiculous last episode was what really let it down.. Within ten minutes, Ben had learned how to create his paedo profile and "led to the rescue of those two girls in America"... That was right at the end of the series and was badly written and scripted.. The whole section should have been left out.

The storyline about Ben's middle eastern "friend" was also ridiculous. She seemed to let the accent slip at the end of every sentence.. "Ha-Ben, I only meet-a you to talk about Amber, a-that is it, inanyways"

And bringing in Con Murphy and "comedian" Eric Lalor was just distracting and certainly did not bring up the standard of the acting.

kunst nugget · 24-01-2014 11:36am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

for those of you that are annoyed at Amber....do not repeat do not watch this critically acclaimed movie!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387898/

Hardly comparing like to like.

I think Broadchurch would be a better comparison. Masterfully executed and engaging series dealing with many of the same issues as Amber. I'd recommend everyone to watch it to see how it can be done successfully.

Happyman42 · 24-01-2014 11:37am

CountyHurler wrote: »

And bringing in Con Murphy and "comedian" Eric Lalor was just distracting and certainly did not bring up the standard of the acting.

Keith Duffy in Love/Hate too.

Somebody in commissioning seems to be orchestrating this 'idea' of casting known 'celebs' but is obviously taking no hand in making decisions about the content and direction.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 11:48am

martingriff wrote: »

Would you have watched a show knowing an ending. I have not seen it and know people are mad there is not a happy ever after ending but why does there need to be

Yes, if I knew it was meant to be an exploration of how an unexplained disappearance impacts on a family or on people connected to the missing person. But from the start this was presented as a typical whodunnit and so as viewers we spent a lot of time looking for clues and weighing up this character and that character's motives, instead of concentrating solely on the effects of Amber's disappearance on those left behind.
Also, it was messy and disjointed and had several not very credible scenes and incidents. It just wasn't executed very well, regardless of the intentions of the writer.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 11:50am

Mardy Bum wrote: »

It was taking the mickey out of the stereotypical kidnapping and lazy script writing from numerous whodunit shows (postmodern tongue in cheek). If the writing was lazy we would have had a nice end with zero ambiguous scenes. It would have been nice and clear for a dumbed down audience who are used to Poirot and Midsomer Murders and the father would have killed the Amber. However we got something a little different without the spoon feeding that the vast majority of the audience has become accustomed to unfortunately.

You seem determined to assume that anyone who didn't like this wasn't intelligent or arty enough to appreciate it. That's not the case. Yes we got something a 'little bit different', but that doesn't automatically mean it was good or devoid of lazy writing.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 11:52am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

for those of you that are annoyed at Amber....do not repeat do not watch this critically acclaimed movie!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387898/

I saw Cache a few years ago and thought it was excellent. I thought Amber was weak.

martingriff · 24-01-2014 12:02pm

Calliope Chubby Larvae wrote: »

Yes, if I knew it was meant to be an exploration of how an unexplained disappearance impacts on a family or on people connected to the missing person. But from the start this was presented as a typical whodunnit and so as viewers we spent a lot of time looking for clues and weighing up this character and that character's motives, instead of concentrating solely on the effects of Amber's disappearance on those left behind.
Also, it was messy and disjointed and had several not very credible scenes and incidents. It just wasn't executed very well, regardless of the intentions of the writer.

As I said have not seen it so can not give a judgement of the acting also this show has been around for a few years and from what I heard has been shown in America and the UK. I think to set it up as only a program of the impactys would have not have been good for the show as I say not many people would not have watched it. To think people are pissed at the ending as they can't see a bad guy is understanding but it happens a lot in real life

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 12:07pm

martingriff wrote: »

As I said have not seen it so can not give a judgement of the acting also this show has been around for a few years and from what I heard has been shown in America and the UK. I think to set it up as only a program of the impactys would have not have been good for the show as I say not many people would not have watched it. To think people are pissed at the ending as they can't see a bad guy is understanding but it happens a lot in real life

I don't agree. There have been lots of successful plays, programmes and films that explore the impact of a tragedy or disaster on the people concerned. To set something up as a whodunnit because you want to trick people into watching it is a bit shoddy, if that is actually what RTE did.

gerbilgranny · 24-01-2014 12:35pm

RockDesk wrote: »

I realise I should have given a link to the interview. I can't seem to link directly but if you go to http://www.rte.ie/2fm/ and look at the very latest section, it's headed there. He starts talking about it 4 and a half minutes in.

To be honest, I really enjoyed the programme, and the ending didn't bother me. I just decided myself what I thought happened to her. But there are certain things that are unanswered from the programme, or I found to be completely irrelevant to the story and that really bothered me. Writers/producers shouldn't expect viewers to invest so much time into these characters and then decide that NOTHING needs to be explained. For example, we are assuming the guy in prison looked at the phone and saw the pictures, then told Terrence. But I don't buy that, I don't know how Terrence knew and I feel that should have been answered properly. Maybe they could have dedicated the time we saw the father having the escort over to the police/prison guards finding out who knew.

Also, I really didn't like how condescending the producer sounded in the interview above. That bothered me more than the ending, but I liked Ryan's handling of it.

Thanks for this! Listening to the interview now, and you're spot on about Ryan's handling of the condescending producer. Yer man saying 'the programme is full of clues - if you want to know what happened to Amber, watch it' - maddening!

Shiraz 4.99 · 24-01-2014 12:35pm

The biggest question raised here is how did such a rural place get a Luas stop, looked like Offaly ffs

gerbilgranny · 24-01-2014 12:39pm

Producer said that numerous parties in the U.S. are discussing re-making 'Amber' for the American market - hope they put a few more clues in for their viewers!

And I wasn't tweeting or anything else while I watched it - there just weren't enough 'clues' or 'answers' in the programme - silly producer!

kunst nugget · 24-01-2014 12:41pm

gerbilgranny wrote: »

Producer said that numerous parties in the U.S. are discussing re-making 'Amber' for the American market - hope they put a few more clues in for their viewers!

It's okay, the American father will find 2 Irish girls in the Ukraine and one of them will be Amber…

Laois_Man · 24-01-2014 12:43pm

Says it all that they want to remake it instead of just use what's there

But I dunno what the outcry in the ending is about. It was a bit thick that they kept showing the same scene's over and over again....and went down the path of showing boring time-fillers. But I was satisfied wnough with the ending. The girl is dead and nobody gets caught and her body never gets found. That's life!

I don't know why we analyze everything in so much more depth and pick more holes in it when it's Irish.

Happyman42 · 24-01-2014 12:44pm

gerbilgranny wrote: »

Producer said that numerous parties in the U.S. are discussing re-making 'Amber' for the American market - hope they put a few more clues in for their viewers!

What drama series that RTE ever produced has that NOT been said about?The subliminal 'It's that good even the 'muricans want to re-make it' :rolleyes:

kunst nugget · 24-01-2014 12:53pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

I don't know why we analyze everything in so much more depth and pick more holes in it when it's Irish.

It's been one of the highest rated shows on RTE for a long while and it's structure and ambivalent ending mean it's going to be a big topic of conversation for people on its merits and its failings.

Should we not talk about it lest we be accused of begrudgery of some sort?

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 12:55pm

gerbilgranny wrote: »

Producer said that numerous parties in the U.S. are discussing re-making 'Amber' for the American market - hope they put a few more clues in for their viewers!

And I wasn't tweeting or anything else while I watched it - there just weren't enough 'clues' or 'answers' in the programme - silly producer!

I also hope they don't sit on the fence while they're making it, and just decide from the start whether it's going to be a 'whodunnit' or an exploration of the emotional, psychological and practical fallout from her disappearance. There was nothing particularly 'brave' about Amber, it was actually the opposite - trying to be all things to all people.

gerbilgranny · 24-01-2014 12:58pm

Shiraz 4.99 wrote: »

The biggest question raised here is how did such a rural place get a Luas stop, looked like Offaly ffs

Someone on Twitter said the Luas doesn't stop there now (I guess they decided it was a bad idea after Amber's disappearance!) but the excellent documentary 'Luas...a tale of two lines' explained that stations were constructed anticipating increasing population and infrastructure that has yet to happen due to the recession.

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 1:05pm

I actually thought it was a made up station when I saw it first. I don't think I've ever seen such a quiet and deserted Luas station. There wasn't a soul around and no one else got off the train.

sassyj · 24-01-2014 1:05pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

for those of you that are annoyed at Amber....do not repeat do not watch this critically acclaimed movie!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387898/

Plenty of good films and dramas end without everything been tied up neatly.
Someone said the same thing yesterday re "Inception" - don't watch if you are upset by Amber. I've watched both, Inception was great, Amber was ****.
I didn't missing the ever so sophisticated message at the end of the programme, it's just the entire series was crap, and I only watched to the end to see who did do it. Parts of it made Fair City look good. A bad series can't carry off an ending like that.

Laois_Man · 24-01-2014 1:09pm

kunst nugget wrote: »

It's been one of the highest rated shows on RTE for a long while and it's structure and ambivalent ending mean it's going to be a big topic of conversation for people on its merits and its failings.

Should we not talk about it lest we be accused of begrudgery of some sort?

Love/Hate had bigger ratings and only ended a few weeks ago.

I have commented and criticized too - but I didn't find the ending ambivalent :rolleyes:

kunst nugget · 24-01-2014 1:15pm

Laois_Man wrote: »

Love/Hate had bigger ratings and only ended a few weeks ago.

And Love/Hate's ending generated a lot of debate as well

Laois_Man wrote: »

I have commented and criticized too - but I didn't find the ending ambivalent :rolleyes:

Bully for you. What's with the roll-eyes?

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 1:19pm

I couldn't understand those roll eyes either. It was an ambivalent ending. One that allowed viewers to decide for themselves, if they wished, what happened to Amber but not one that definitely stated what happened.

As I said before, some very patronising posts on this thread.

WayneScott · 24-01-2014 1:34pm

gerbilgranny wrote: »

Thanks for this! Listening to the interview now, and you're spot on about Ryan's handling of the condescending producer. Yer man saying 'the programme is full of clues - if you want to know what happened to Amber, watch it' - maddening!

none of the listen links play for me
OK works other pc

Big Game · 24-01-2014 1:37pm

Only caught it last night. The end reminded me of the end of Season 1 of US version of The Killing, nothing solved and open for a second season. If, as the writer appears to say there was never any plan for a second season then it's a pretty lame ending. There's plenty of holes you can pick in it, the phone getting chucked down the drain was beyond ridiculous, the final scene with the decoy van was very hackneyed, why have the journalist / Godmother say she hadn't seen the child since she was born given how close she seemed to be to the mother etc etc. Not sure about what the parents were written to be so dislikable, if it was to give a hint that Amber may have committed suicide because of them breaking up and being geranl arseholes then the whole thing with her going into town to get her replacement bulb, looking annoyed at losing her phone, missing her stop etc made no sense. Plus she gernally appeared to be a reasonably happy girl, doubt she would have just though 'sure I'll hop off the bridge now coz Mum's gonna have a canary after me losing my phone'.

That said, it was generally watchable, clearly influenced by the current trend for Scandanavian drama but obviously falling short of those standards. Watched the first 3 episodes bak to back and think that was probably better than watching it on consecutive nights, it felt more coherent watching over the space of 2 and a quarter hours.

But the over reaction on here is absolutely comical, a gang of toddlers stamping their feet in a creche because the haven't been given what they want spings to mind.....

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 24-01-2014 1:44pm

Big Game wrote: »

Only caught it last night. The end reminded me of the end of Season 1 of US version of The Killing, nothing solved and open for a second season. If, as the writer appears to say there was never any plan for a second season then it's a pretty lame ending. There's plenty of holes you can pick in it, the phone getting chucked down the drain was beyond ridiculous, the final scene with the decoy van was very hackneyed, why have the journalist / Godmother say she hadn't seen the child since she was born given how close she seemed to be to the mother etc etc. Not sure about what the parents were written to be so dislikable, if it was to give a hint that Amber may have committed suicide because of them breaking up and being geranl arseholes then the whole thing with her going into town to get her replacement bulb, looking annoyed at losing her phone, missing her stop etc made no sense. Plus she gernally appeared to be a reasonably happy girl, doubt she would have just though 'sure I'll hop off the bridge now coz Mum's gonna have a canary after me losing my phone'.

That said, it was generally watchable, clearly influenced by the current trend for Scandanavian drama but obviously falling short of those standards. Watched the first 3 episodes bak to back and think that was probably better than watching it on consecutive nights, it felt more coherent watching over the space of 2 and a quarter hours.

But the over reaction on here is absolutely comical, a gang of toddlers stamping their feet in a creche because the haven't been given what they want spings to mind.....

While they were dislikeable they were quite believable as a sophisticated but shallow couple who rate themselves according to the car they drive, the labels they wear etc. and have probably passed those values on to their daughter.

I don't see any over reaction. Just people seriously irritated that a four hour drama spread over four nights sold the viewer short at the end and expressing their opinions on a discussion board.

gerbilgranny · 24-01-2014 2:06pm

Big Game wrote: »

Not sure about what the parents were written to be so dislikable, if it was to give a hint that Amber may have committed suicide because of them breaking up and being geranl arseholes

But the helpful producer when interviewed told us it was obvious she had been murdered by someone not featured in the programme, and her body was in the water - it was all so obvious, apparently!

Big Game · 24-01-2014 2:18pm

Calliope Chubby Larvae wrote: »

While they were dislikeable they were quite believable as a sophisticated but shallow couple who rate themselves according to the car they drive, the labels they wear etc. and have probably passed those values on to their daughter.

I don't see any over reaction. Just people seriously irritated that a four hour drama spread over four nights sold the viewer short at the end and expressing their opinions on a discussion board.

Numerous posts with the usual 'That's 4 hours of my life I won't get back, fcuk you RTE!', 'Can I have my tv licence money back?!' etc etc etc. As if people would have been doing something constructive on a cold wet January night! At best they'd still have been sat in front of the fire watching another channel.

No issues with people pointing out why they think a show fell short but that sort of foot stamping adds nothing.

gerbilgranny · 24-01-2014 2:32pm

Now I've listened to Ryan Tubridy's brief chat with the actress who played Amber, recorded yesterday. SHE didn't know what happened to Amber - Ryan had to inform her!

mrsbyrne · 24-01-2014 2:36pm

Hippo wrote: »

I abandoned it after the phone was thrown down the drain. An entire episode that went nowhere, and indicative of lazy writing.

My husband had been defending the whole series to me, up to that point. Then even he threw in the towel.

martingriff · 24-01-2014 2:49pm

Calliope Chubby Larvae wrote: »

I don't agree. There have been lots of successful plays, programmes and films that explore the impact of a tragedy or disaster on the people concerned. To set something up as a whodunnit because you want to trick people into watching it is a bit shoddy, if that is actually what RTE did.

Really they tricked you. I have seen lots of tv programs, films and read books where you are lead to believe something only to be lead the opposite way by the end should I be annoyed I was tricked. To me that is what makes something great. Again I can not talk about the acting yes people can be annoyed with an ending but it been taken as far as it is is crazy and the producer to come out with what he said to try an appease people was idiotic. Make sure you read spoilers about shows sometimes if you do not want to be tricked

mikom · 24-01-2014 2:51pm

Miguel_Sanchez wrote: »

New four part drama coming out on RTE in January I think. Although from what I read on Twitter today it's available on US Netflix already.

https://twitter.com/elgray/statuses/269663999057092608

It stars David Murray and Eva Birthistle as recently separated parents whose teenage daughter goes missing.

Has anyone seen it yet?

mikom wrote: »

Looks like a barrel of laughs.

So this went well. I take it......

lukin · 24-01-2014 2:59pm

I read in the Examiner today that Tubridy got quite irritated with the co-producer in an interview on 2FM:
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/tubridy-on-controversial-amber-ending-i-told-the-tv-to-fk-off-29946620.html
Fair play to Tubs though; he actually got him to admit

that Amber is dead

Vel · 24-01-2014 3:07pm

Some of the worst acting I have seen in a long time, with special mention for the dad, Charlie and the journalist friend

DeepBlue · 24-01-2014 3:50pm

lukin wrote: »

I read in the Examiner today that Tubridy got quite irritated with the co-producer in an interview on 2FM:
http://www.independent.ie/entertainment/tv-radio/tubridy-on-controversial-amber-ending-i-told-the-tv-to-fk-off-29946620.html

According to the Examiner "RTE presenter Ryan Tubridy has expressed his anger at the final scenes of hit series Amber, admitting that he shouted at "the TV to F-off." and ‘‘I nearly put my fist through the screen, I was so annoyed.’’

So now he knows how the rest of us feel if we ever have to watch the Late Late. :pac:

mikom · 24-01-2014 3:53pm

DeepBlue wrote: »

According to the Examiner "RTE presenter Ryan Tubridy has expressed his anger at the final scenes of hit series Amber, admitting that he shouted at "the TV to F-off." and ‘‘I nearly put my fist through the screen, I was so annoyed.’’

I'd say the screen was worried about being on the receiving end of his matchstick.

teddyhead · 24-01-2014 4:10pm

Vel wrote: »

Some of the worst acting I have seen in a long time, with special mention for the dad, Charlie and the journalist friend

I would agree about the latter two but after rewatching it and seeing that the dad is the perpetrator(its obvious after 15 minutes of episode 1) , his weird behavior is appropriate. He is acting badly or weird because that is what a murderer might be likely to do.The actor has been directed to act badly I think. We see from the first minute that he has a bit of a temper and may be a control freak,yes its just bickering , but in a totally inappropriate place(lazerquest). Later of course , he seeks to control the investigation as much as possible and frequently shows his temper. I believe he killed Amber ,having followed her,perhaps angered by her sneaking off and lying to him.

dee_mc · 24-01-2014 4:18pm

teddyhead wrote: »

I would agree about the latter two but after rewatching it and seeing that the dad is the perpetrator(its obvious after 15 minutes of episode 1) , his weird behavior is appropriate. He is acting badly or weird because that is what a murderer might be likely to do.The actor has been directed to act badly I think. We see from the first minute that he has a bit of a temper and may be a control freak,yes its just bickering , but in a totally inappropriate place(lazerquest). Later of course , he seeks to control the investigation as much as possible and frequently shows his temper. I believe he killed Amber ,having followed her,perhaps angered by her sneaking off and lying to him.

That argument makes no sense taking into account his later online search for Amber, and the abrupt end to his relationship with the prostitute when he thought Amber was coming home.

teddyhead · 24-01-2014 4:20pm

dee_mc wrote: »

That argument makes no sense taking into account his later online search for Amber, and the abrupt end to his relationship with the prostitute when he thought Amber was coming home.

The theme of 'Red herrings' is big in the show. I think Ben set up a few of his own. It would be in his interest to act a bit 'mad' in the aftermath of his 'tragedy'.Like stalking people , orchestrating a crazy investigation into trafficking/child pornography and other mad things.

Mr.McLovin · 24-01-2014 4:51pm

“If you watch the series closely enough, there are enough clues in there as to her fate, and it’s there,

- Co-producer on the show, Paul Duane

Really?

I enjoyed the show and I suspected from episode 1 the type of ending we got but there were just too many loose ends left. The phone down the drained annoyed me most, nobody thought of asking the staff did they see a phone?

I would of went with a day 1 ending and a glimpse of a body under water...

The prison guy story was confusing but not in a good way and got far fetched to keep with the 'realism' of never being found.

The series had potential and maybe another episode in it. It seemed dragged out at times but yet felt rushed when things really mattered got interesting.

I've seen worst on tv but it was an opportunity wasted for a great drama set in Dublin

teddyhead · 24-01-2014 5:00pm

bottlebrush wrote: »

who dunnit?

The Da did it 100%. The clues are certainly there. Its just tough going sitting through the mass of filler, soapy stuff and rubber characters.

Mr.McLovin · 24-01-2014 5:03pm

bottlebrush wrote: »

Yes, would have thought so, but the producer has confirmed that the killer was not in the drama.

I don't think they know who done it themselves :pac:

lukin · 24-01-2014 5:39pm

It's funny 'cause I was watching that film Prisoners recently which had a similar storyline. Warning, spoiler to follow;

the ending was wrapped up quite neatly in it as there was a definitive answer to what happened to the missing children.
I was actually p****d off at that and said to myself "Typical Hollywood, it would have been more interesting if they were killed or never found".

So in that respect I agree with those who said it was quite daring of the writer(s) to end Amber the way they did.

AnonoBoy · 24-01-2014 6:55pm

lukin wrote: »

It's funny 'cause I was watching that film Prisoners recently which had a similar storyline. Warning, spoiler to follow;
the ending was wrapped up quite neatly in it as there was a definitive answer to what happened to the missing children.
I was actually p****d off at that and said to myself "Typical Hollywood, it would have been more interesting if they were killed or never found".
So in that respect I agree with those who said it was quite daring of the writer(s) to end Amber the way they did.

I agree with you about the end to Prisoners somewhat.

However the writing in Prisoners is far, far better than Amber

Mardy Bum · 24-01-2014 7:35pm

Happyman42 wrote: »

Like you it indulged in patronising the audience, 'if you are not 'clever' or 'artsy' enough to get it...f*** off'.
Pathetic actually.

Quite an ironic statement considering your contribution to the forum.

I judge TV against other TV shows. This was no world beater but it at least attempted something different. You seem to judge tv against theatre without any of the considerations that goes into making a prime time drama. Public funded broadcasting is not HBO. It never will be. David Lynch David Chase and David Simon are rarities like Shakespeare and Joyce.

Happyman42 · 24-01-2014 10:28pm

Mardy Bum wrote: »

Quite an ironic statement considering your contribution to the forum.

I judge TV against other TV shows.

You shouldn't, you should judge it as a piece of drama.

This was no world beater but it at least attempted something different.

No it didn't, there was nothing unique or different about it as plenty of others have pointed out.

You seem to judge tv against theatre without any of the considerations that goes into making a prime time drama.

No I don't, I merely point to the processes involved in getting a piece to stage and the differences between that and the way RTE in particular seem to operate, leading to flawed drama's. In that sense the process is exactly the same, interrogate the writing until it is right.

Public funded broadcasting is not HBO. It never will be. David Lynch David Chase and David Simon are rarities like Shakespeare and Joyce.

Pathetic excuse, top dramas have been produced for a lot less than this.

AnonoBoy · 24-01-2014 11:36pm

Happyman42 - if you'd liked this show I would have had to eat my head.

But I'm with you - poor writing let it down, whatever the intentions of the makers was the scripts just did not cut it at all.

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