Kickass Torrents & Eircom. (MOD: No Posting torrent site links!)

naughto · 21-01-2014 11:15PM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

On Vodafone Fibre don't think just send you a warning after 300GB?
They don't cap just monitor it or something along those lines.
I'd love to have Fibre, stuck with Sky instead. :'(

is there a cap with e fiber?it says unlimited but id say theres a cap in the small print.

i was with sky,i broke the contract and dident have to pay for breaking it.if fiber is in your area alan id get it

AlanS181824 · 21-01-2014 11:15PM

pajopearl wrote: »

Yeah, there's a disclaimer on their website that says there is a FUP in place but will NEVER slow you down or cut you off for going over it. Seemingly it's just a monitor to check for suspicious activity such as hacking :rolleyes:

Or running your own server....
When I had Chorus I once ran nearly a TB over.
Considering I only have 10Mb now (Had 16Mb but it was lowered) it's hard to go over 100GB or so.

kateilou · 21-01-2014 11:15PM

pajopearl wrote: »

I'm not sure that ISP's are too bothered about bandwidth usage either TBH. I got Voda Fiber in September, was quiet in my first month. Then got really into my downloading. I don't have Sky or UPC or even Saorview so all my TV watching is on Netflix or torrents and my TV is constantly on. Don't download music, just TV and movies. Looked at my bill for October and I had managed to DL 847GB. It's been consistently around the 500GB-600GB a month since.

Thas alotta gigs there :eek: thought i was bad using around 30

AlanS181824 · 21-01-2014 11:24PM

naughto wrote: »

is there a cap with e fiber?it says unlimited but id say theres a cap in the small print.

i was with sky,i broke the contract and dident have to pay for breaking it.if fiber is in your area alan id get it

There's a cap of 30GB on one of the eFibre products but the other is unlimited.
I'm in a 200Mb UPC area as well as a fibre area. When I rang up and asked about canceling I was told that as they don't do early termination charges there is no way of cancelling. So I am stuck with it until April. How did you manage to leave and avoid any fee?

StaticNoise · 21-01-2014 11:29PM

That's a load of BS. UPC charge you €200 termination, and they have such a free in place.
There is a €10 downgrade fee on each service that you wish to reduce (eg. step your broadband down).

james66 · 21-01-2014 11:34PM

The saddest part is that the Irish people allowed these bastards to censor our internet without even fighting it. Once they know they can censor one website they will continue to do it.

naughto · 21-01-2014 11:38PM

AlanS181824 wrote: »

There's a cap of 30GB on one of the eFibre products but the other is unlimited.
I'm in a 200Mb UPC area as well as a fibre area. When I rang up and asked about canceling I was told that as they don't do early termination charges there is no way of cancelling. So I am stuck with it until April. How did you manage to leave and avoid any fee?

i just signed up with eircom and let them sort it out.
you pay a month in advanced with sky same with the tv.id ring upc or eircom and let them sort it,even if you get charged the most ican see would be 80euro to leave them.there min price contract is 40euro.

when you do leave them make sure your cancle the sky talk aswell.unless you are talking a calls package with eircom.
i just have stand alone fiber with eircom i dont have a calls package,because of this they did not cancle sky talk and i got a bill of it last week,have since cancled it

naughto · 21-01-2014 11:40PM

james66 wrote: »

The saddest part is that the Irish people allowed these bastards to censor our internet without even fighting it. Once they know they can censor one website they will continue to do it.

but there will allways be ways around it,just look at the interest in this thread:pac::pac:

AlanS181824 · 21-01-2014 11:41PM

naughto wrote: »

i just signed up with eircom and let them sort it out.
you pay a month in advanced with sky same with the tv.id ring upc or eircom and let them sort it,even if you get charged the most ican see would be 80euro to leave them.there min price contract is 40euro.

when you do leave them make sure your cancle the sky talk aswell.unless you are talking a calls package with eircom.
i just have stand alone fiber with eircom i dont have a calls package,because of this they did not cancle sky talk and i got a bill of it last week,have since cancled it

Thanks for that.
When I rang up I was told to ring up again on 18 March to cancel (Actual contract ends April 18) this is due to getting billed 1 month in advance I believe.
I think I will just leave, I'll keep the TV though, will probably go with Vodafone or UPC. I'll have to find out for sure.
Thanks again.

james66 · 21-01-2014 11:45PM

naughto wrote: »

but there will allways be ways around it,just look at the interest in this thread:pac::pac:

Its not about getting around it. Its the fact they have the power to block it thats scary. No government let alone the IRMA should have that power to decide what websites I can't view. Its a violation of human rights. http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/06/un-warns-internet-restrictions-violate-human-rights.php

Engine No.9 · 21-01-2014 11:53PM

james66 wrote: »

Its not about getting around it. Its the fact they have the power to block it thats scary. No government let alone the IRMA should have that power to decide what websites I can't view. Its a violation of human rights. http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/06/un-warns-internet-restrictions-violate-human-rights.php

I don't agree with it but it's not the website that's blocked per sé. It's the copyrighted material which is on the website which is objectionable. If they removed all copyrighted material from the site then the ISP's would have no choice but to unblock them again.

I repeat, I don't agree with them being blocked, just had to pick you up on that point.

james66 · 21-01-2014 11:57PM

pajopearl wrote: »

I don't agree with it but it's not the website that's blocked per sé. It's the copyrighted material which is on the website which is objectionable. If they removed all copyrighted material from the site then the ISP's would have no choice but to unblock them again.

I repeat, I don't agree with them being blocked, just had to pick you up on that point.

Nothing is hosted on torrent websites they just link. The actual content is hosted by millions of people. Even if they hosted content what right do they have to block access to a website?

Engine No.9 · 21-01-2014 11:59PM

james66 wrote: »

Nothing is hosted on torrent websites they just link. The actual content is hosted by millions of people. Even if they hosted content what right do they have to block access to a website?

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

RedXIV · 22-01-2014 12:02AM

james66 wrote: »

Nothing is hosted on torrent websites they just link. The actual content is hosted by millions of people. Even if they hosted content what right do they have to block access to a website?

Its a pain in the ass but on the bright side it takes months to go through the court system, takes a few hours to register a new domain and copy content across. Its a shame our government is so technologically backward, but it is laughable when they try to enforce this sort of stuff

james66 · 22-01-2014 12:08AM

pajopearl wrote: »

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

Yes they have no right to block access to any site even for linking to child porn, terrorism ect What happens normally is the hosting account gets suspended and the domain seized and the people who own the site get jailed.

TouchingVirus · 22-01-2014 12:10AM

pajopearl wrote: »

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

No, you're wrong.

The website that hosts child pornography is hosting that content. They are the distributor of the infringing content.

The torrent sites are not hosting data, they are just a conduit. A torrent file is just a set of instructions, a recipe if you will, for obtaining content. Some of that content is illegal, other content is perfectly legal.

They wilfully block torrent sites yet there are many, many parts of the internet where I can find out how to make bombs - some of them are just smoke bombs, other instructions will help me make a fertilizer bomb. Again, these places are just hosting instructions and they're not blocked.

It is an issue between the person using the torrent to download illegally and the copyright holders. The state has no business, nor do ISPs, blocking content on the internet.

To draw the comparison between child pornography hosting and copyright infringement is beyond maddening, they are completely different issues.

briany · 22-01-2014 01:05AM

TouchingVirus wrote: »

It is an issue between the person using the torrent to download illegally and the copyright holders. The state has no business, nor do ISPs, blocking content on the internet.

The music/movie industry has sued a ton of private individuals over the last decade or more. It hasn't helped much. Suing a load of ordinary people is not a good PR move, it turns out, and you won't recoup your 'projected' lost earnings by trying to fleece someone who's already skint.

I don't believe that the music/movie industry is on it's last legs but we are seeing the death throes of an old way of thinking. People are always going to make content, people are always going to consume it, and the only thing that can change, is the business around it.

mikom · 22-01-2014 02:51AM

pajopearl wrote: »

Even if the website contains child pornography??? Same argument!

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

Engine No.9 · 22-01-2014 02:55AM

mikom wrote: »

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

A bit extreme but the point is solid :rolleyes: All I was sayin is I don't agree with it but I see the argument.

briany · 22-01-2014 03:12AM

You wouldn't shut down the road for the same reason you wouldn't shut down a torrent site. Most users of both would be normal people who abhor cp and would both shun and be hostile to producers and/or consumers of such material if they came to light. It's a self policing system.

Cali_Em · 22-01-2014 10:10AM

briany wrote: »

Laws don't seem to matter much if they affect an industry's bottom line.

...

You don't need to express surprise about the lack of effort made. Eircom are only doing the minimum required by the court order. Being any more stringent about is it not in their interest, from a financial or public relations standpoint.

Agreed.. the lynchmob is out for eircom, but they've just obeyed the letter of the law - nothing more. As someone further up stated - if you know how to 'torrent', you'll know how to get around this

TouchingVirus · 22-01-2014 10:16AM

Cali_Em wrote: »

Agreed.. the lynchmob is out for eircom, but they've just obeyed the letter of the law - nothing more. As someone further up stated - if you know how to 'torrent', you'll know how to get around this

This just makes it all the more fruitless (and enraging) that they block the content

Nolanator Rugby · 22-01-2014 11:02AM

mikom wrote: »

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

That's not the same. Sites pointing the way to find cp should be shut down, even if they don't host the actual content themselves

Mr.Torrent · 22-01-2014 01:02PM

mikom wrote: »

A motorway to Dublin goes past a paedos house.
Let's shut down the motorway.

Good example.

Keep that motorway open , so they can drive by and catch the dirty paedo!
Closing roads (sites) doesn't stop it. They should leave open what they know to actually try and track him.

Sadly the truth is more is done for illegal downloading of copyright material than child abuse. And that is a sad fact.

Cantona's Collars · 22-01-2014 01:44PM

Mr.Torrent wrote: »

Good example.

Keep that motorway open , so they can drive by and catch the dirty paedo!
Closing roads (sites) doesn't stop it. They should leave open what they know to actually try and track him.

Sadly the truth is more is done for illegal downloading of copyright material than child abuse. And that is a sad fact.

No money to be made from stopping online child abuse.

corsav6 · 22-01-2014 01:57PM

zerks wrote: »

No money to be made from stopping online child abuse.

I agree, it's a sad world we live in.

briany · 22-01-2014 02:00PM

TouchingVirus wrote: »

This just makes it all the more fruitless (and enraging) that they block the content

It's probably a bit counter productive, even. Whenever this happens, you'll basically get two sets of people affected - those who continue to download without even breaking stride and others who knew nothing of KAT/TPB, but are now curious. By having the sites blocked, you essentially increase their profile, so what's been achieved?

You'll notice that there are no verified representatives of the Irish music industry posting on this board (or any other), attempting to reach out and explain why these blocks are a good or even practical thing. You'll get the odd sound bite in the news from the likes of double D or a high court judge, but that's about it, and that says it all, I think

naughto · 22-01-2014 04:50PM

why do sites like kickass or the pirate bay have to keep changing there website address if they dont store any content.
is it not the same for private torrent sites like ip torrents i dont think ive ever seen there site moved to a different address??

briany · 22-01-2014 06:03PM

naughto wrote: »

why do sites like kickass or the pirate bay have to keep changing there website address if they dont store any content.
is it not the same for private torrent sites like ip torrents i dont think ive ever seen there site moved to a different address??

IPtorrents don't have to change their address because they've never been blocked.

Cabaal · 22-01-2014 06:09PM

Since some people clearly can't understand the warning, bans for posting torrent site links have now changed to two months.

Guys, please don't post any mirror sites etc for these sites, I don't want to be handing out bans.

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