We have an Irish Embassy to the Holy See again

I Heart Internet · 21-01-2014 04:59PM

SW wrote: »

How so? Which governments are less likely to talk to the Irish government if they don't have an embassy to the Holy See?

Because a lot of diplomatic work gets done there - it's waht got us our seat at the UN Security Council a few years ago.

yeppydeppy · 21-01-2014 05:00PM

What a waste of money - more jobs for the boys though!

I Heart Internet · 21-01-2014 05:00PM

Sarky wrote: »

Oh, has the RCC finally provided full cooperation regarding that whole "priests raping children and trying to cover it up when caught, then refusing to pay compensation" thing? Finally, some good news.

But the withdrawl of the ambasador was about cost, wasn't it? Unless Enda and Eamon were telling lies.

Bannasidhe · 21-01-2014 05:00PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Because a lot of diplomatic work gets done there - it's waht got us our seat at the UN Security Council a few years ago.

Linky?

Nodin · 21-01-2014 05:01PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

The Holy See is right (from their point of view) not to accept ambasadors who are also ambasadors to Italy. If they conceded that point, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Yeah, if they owned up to that, jaysus knows what they'd have people confessing to next.

I Heart Internet · 21-01-2014 05:02PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Linky?

Anecdotal, innit.

Sarky · 21-01-2014 05:02PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

But the withdrawl of the ambasador was about cost, wasn't it? Unless Enda and Eamon were telling lies.

Don't much care. I was just happy to see support withdrawn for an organisation that thought moving any employees found to be criminals around was a better idea than bringing them to justice. Or had some of its ranking members actually blame child rape on sexy children.

Not terribly thrilled about the return of an embassy unless the Vatican has sorted that stuff out first.

Rabelais · 21-01-2014 05:03PM

We might as well close our department of foreign affairs. AH has the experts needed to handle the complex diplomatic and geopolitical affairs that our embassies and diplomats currently engage in.

Augmerson · 21-01-2014 05:03PM

We also need an embassy to open for Scientology. I think it's a joke that we don't have one open with them.

I Heart Internet · 21-01-2014 05:04PM

Rabelais wrote: »

We might as well close our department of foreign affairs. AH has the experts needed to handle the complex diplomatic and geopolitical affairs that our embassies and diplomats currently engage in.

We are the World!!

My name is URL · 21-01-2014 05:05PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Anecdotal, innit.

No, not really. Just pure unadulterated BS

Bannasidhe · 21-01-2014 05:05PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Anecdotal, innit.

So you have zero evidence to back up that statement....

Think I will need something with a bit more substance to it to be convinced that this is 'important' to Ireland's 'soft power and influence'

jimgoose · 21-01-2014 05:06PM

Rabelais wrote: »

We might as well close our department of foreign affairs. AH has the experts needed to handle the complex diplomatic and geopolitical affairs that our embassies and diplomats currently engage in.

Mmm. Imagine if Ireland weren't taking care a' de complex diplomatic and geopolitical affairs and shyte, bass. Sure the place'd be gone ta rack-and-ruin!

I Heart Internet · 21-01-2014 05:06PM

Augmerson wrote: »

We also need an embassy to open for Scientology. I think it's a joke that we don't have one open with them.

You mistaken to think that an Irish Embassy to the Holy See has anything to do with religion.

It is to do with putting Irish diplomats in a position to advance Irish interests on a world stage.

J_E · 21-01-2014 05:07PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Anecdotal, innit.

Ah...that's okay. Just checked your post history, you needn't bother.

jimgoose · 21-01-2014 05:08PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

You mistaken to think that an Irish Embassy to the Holy See has anything to do with religion.

It is to do with putting Irish diplomats in a position to advance Irish interests on a world stage.

Correct-and-right. It's a City State, like Sparta. I reckon we should have an embassy in Sparta instead - now that'd be a lot cooler. With your shield, or on it, boy! :cool:

I Heart Internet · 21-01-2014 05:08PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

So you have zero evidence to back up that statement....

Think I will need something with a bit more substance to it to be convinced that this is 'important' to Ireland's 'soft power and influence'

That's the thing about soft power.....very difficult to spot it.

Delirium · 21-01-2014 05:10PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

You mistaken to think that an Irish Embassy to the Holy See has anything to do with religion.

It is to do with putting Irish diplomats in a position to advance Irish interests on a world stage.

"The Holy See is the episcopal jurisdiction of the Catholic Church in Rome. The primacy of Rome makes its bishop, commonly known as the Pope, to be the worldwide leader of the church."

Yeah, really has nothing to do with religion.

WilyCoyote · 21-01-2014 05:10PM

Does this mean that invitations to bunga-bunga parties are in the offing?

Bannasidhe · 21-01-2014 05:12PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That's the thing about soft power.....very difficult to spot it.

Funny thing is, my job requires me to keep a close eye out for 'soft power' so I should be ok with any form of evidence you can offer.

Do you have any?

J_E · 21-01-2014 05:18PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Funny thing is, my job requires me to keep a close eye out for 'soft power' so I should be ok with any form of evidence you can offer.

Do you have any?

This is the same person that claims over 1 million Irish Catholics go to church every week. I doubt you're going to see a lot of solid evidence to claims.

Fratton Fred · 21-01-2014 05:25PM

I Heart Internet wrote: »

That's the thing about soft power.....very difficult to spot it.

If it was soft porn you might get a few AHers interested.

Soft power?

Nah.

Bannasidhe · 21-01-2014 05:25PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

This is the same person that claims over 1 million Irish Catholics go to church every week. I doubt you're going to see a lot of solid evidence to claims.

Asking people to provide evidence to support any claims they have made is an even more important part of my day job. I do it automatically now.

Fratton Fred · 21-01-2014 05:28PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Asking people to provide evidence to support any claims they have made is an even more important part of my day job. I do it automatically now.

Prove it....

Bannasidhe · 21-01-2014 05:31PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Prove it....

Donkey Oaty · 21-01-2014 05:34PM

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Asking people to provide evidence to support any claims they have made is an even more important part of my day job.

I can guarantee that it won't be in the new ambassador's job description, otherwise his meetings with the clerics will be doomed from the start.

Pumpkinseeds · 21-01-2014 05:40PM

So does that mean I can have free accommodation if I holiday in Rome? No?, ah well, it was worth a shot:(

eyescreamcone · 21-01-2014 05:49PM

People do realise that the Vatican is so small that the Irish embassy has to be located outside it's border, in Rome...where we already have a proper embassy to a real country.

What would all the embassies to the Vatican actually do all day??
There is only so much Ferrero-Rocher that one can eat.

Seriously, with internet and skype this job could be done from Dublin.

fork_handle · 21-01-2014 05:50PM

My name is URL wrote: »

They'd be better off reopening the embassy in Tehran.. where one is actually needed for diplomatic reasons rather than just to appease a specific group.

why would iran want an embassy in their country stuffed with " paddys " ?

fork_handle · 21-01-2014 05:52PM

Knasher wrote: »

For comparisons sake, we don't maintain a embassy in New Zealand, a country of 4.3 million people and many Irish expats. Instead we only maintain a consulate, which is just a branch of the Irish embassy in Australia.

However it is for some reason vital to have a embassy to a country of 800 people?

new Zealand doesn't have an embassy in Ireland either

We have an Irish Embassy to the Holy See again

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