Smoking while pregnant can make your kids gay...

suicide_circus · 20-01-2014 02:38PM

old hippy wrote: »

Maybe the Sunday World should have done that before sensationalising it, so.

that's not how to sell copy!

poundapunnet · 20-01-2014 02:41PM

old hippy wrote: »

Maybe the Sunday World should have done that before sensationalising it, so.

This is also in the article

Swaab’s views directly oppose those of ultra conservative groups who believe that gay people can be ‘cured’ and that homosexuality is a choice.

He believes that a child’s sexuality is determined in the womb and can’t be changed, writing: “Although it’s frequently assumed that development after birth also importantly affects our sexual orientation, there’s no proof of this whatsoever.

“Children brought up by lesbians aren’t more likely to be homosexual. Nor is there any evidence at all for the misconception that homosexuality is a “lifestyle choice”.”

They are trying to sell papers and get people to click on links. That headline is eye-catching. They're not saying gay people are stupid. I've stuck up for you loads of times when people accuse you of looking for things to be offended by, but sometimes....

Son Of A Vidic · 20-01-2014 02:54PM

Muise... wrote: »

Dr Dick Swaab.

Really?

He's also married to the highly respected and well renowned Professor Horseshít

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 20-01-2014 03:00PM

cletus van damme wrote: »

aren't you wonderful :rolleyes:

incidentally it was reported in various media but I'm not sure which one is suitable for your fantastically smug mind.

well sorry for not believing an article from a newspaper I wouldn't wipe my arse with.

old hippy · 20-01-2014 03:06PM

poundapunnet wrote: »

This is also in the article

They are trying to sell papers and get people to click on links. That headline is eye-catching. They're not saying gay people are stupid. I've stuck up for you loads of times when people accuse you of looking for things to be offended by, but sometimes....

I'm aware we're not stupid, I'm also aware that headlines like to hook people, to generate interest etc. Much like this thread, come to think of it.

I'm also aware that there are also people who delight in other people's offence.

iDave · 20-01-2014 03:08PM

So can we indirectly blame smoking for storms and flooding?

Ficheall · 20-01-2014 03:12PM

tin79 wrote: »

The part where the publishing doctor is named after something you use to wipe your penis with.

You wipe your penis with a swab?
I find a tissue, for example, to be much less painful.

old hippy · 20-01-2014 03:12PM

iDave wrote: »

So can we indirectly blame smoking for storms and flooding?

Only if you join UKIP

Terry1985 · 20-01-2014 03:14PM

Emmitt Strong Shorts wrote: »

well sorry for not believing an article from a newspaper I wouldn't wipe my arse with.

Then maybe you're relying too much on newspapers to spoon feed you their opinion.

Have a look at his professional credentials on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Swaab

There's plenty of links to smoking and hormone imbalances

tin79 · 20-01-2014 03:17PM

Ficheall wrote: »

You wipe your penis with a swab?
I find a tissue, for example, to be much less painful.

No I said you use. Not I use. If you need to use a tissue then you are not shaking it enough, either that or you should go see a doctor. I know a good Dutch doctor. Dr. Woek Sphincter.

conorhal · 20-01-2014 03:20PM

Hmmmm part of me is dubious about this, if smoking while pregnant might make your children gay then eh...surely the entire population of Tallaght would be far better dressed then they currently are?

Of course it's hardly news that drugs and alcohol can have an impact on foetal development, just google Thalidomide, Foetal Alcohol Syndrome may well relate to a spiral in ADD cases. It's also well understood that hormonal levels can have a significant impact on foetal sexual development.
Already conservationists are concerned about the way that plastics on other chemical waste reagents are causing problems for fish stocks, as their chemical composition mimics that of oestrogen some fish have been 'changing sex' or born with underdeveloped or femal sex organs as a result of enviornmental polution.

poundapunnet · 20-01-2014 03:38PM

old hippy wrote: »

I'm aware we're not stupid, I'm also aware that headlines like to hook people, to generate interest etc. Much like this thread, come to think of it.

I'm also aware that there are also people who delight in other people's offence.

So why is your reaction that they're equating gayness and stupidity? Why did you tell someone to read between the lines when they said it was just an eye-catching headline?

I'm not in the least bit delighted by your offence, I think you're really nice. But I think in this instance your offence is...misdirected.

old hippy · 20-01-2014 03:51PM

Shane-KornSpace wrote: »

According to an article on the Sunday World's website from today!

Professor of neurobiology at Amsterdam University Dr Dick Swaab’s new book “We Are Our Brains” claims that smoking and drinking during pregnancy can make your infant gay and stupid.

Full article here:
http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/daily-world/smoking-while-pregnant-could-make-your-baby-gay-says-dr-dick-swaab#.Ut0EdQnWxfc.facebook

I just don't know what to say... Are the Sunday World really that hard pressed for publicity?

poundapunnet wrote: »

So why is your reaction that they're equating gayness and stupidity? Why did you tell someone to read between the lines when they said it was just an eye-catching headline?

I'm not in the least bit delighted by your offence, I think you're really nice. But I think in this instance your offence is...misdirected.

I guess I read between the lines, looking at the initial post on the topic.

Just put it down to an automatic, weary response on my part to decades of being bashed.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4 · 20-01-2014 04:35PM

Terry1985 wrote: »

Then maybe you're relying too much on newspapers to spoon feed you their opinion.

Have a look at his professional credentials on Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Swaab

There's plenty of links to smoking and hormone imbalances

does hormone imbalances have an effect on your sexual orientation though?

J_E · 20-01-2014 04:44PM

Emmitt Strong Shorts wrote: »

does hormone imbalances have an effect on your sexual orientation though?

I'd say there's maybe a correlation, yes. I can't find the exact studies but it's speculated to be related to the levels of testosterone and antibodies produced for each subsequent child born to a woman. Seems it's more likely that if you have an older brother, you are potentially gay. Then again, there are only children who are also gay, so hard to tell what is the causing factor really, and even with the above it's more relative to boys than girls.

RDM_83 again · 20-01-2014 05:11PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

I'd say there's maybe a correlation, yes. I can't find the exact studies but it's speculated to be related to the levels of testosterone and antibodies produced for each subsequent child born to a woman. Seems it's more likely that if you have an older brother, you are potentially gay. Then again, there are only children who are also gay, so hard to tell what is the causing factor really, and even with the above it's more relative to boys than girls.

I've a possible explanation for that in a population dynamics/evolutionary biology basis. Bearing in mind that utterly exclusive homosexuality is pretty rare even in modern studies.

If you've X brothers your all going to be competing for resources and mates, a member of that group that doesn't have as strong desire/need to reproduce (don't take offense at this wording please!) increases the chances of offspring of the brothers surviving, therefore this trait that causes likelyhood of homosexuality in males to increase when they have more brothers would be passed on.

In terms of this not applying to Females in population biology terms 1 man + 3 woman = 3 children, 3 men + 1 woman = 1 child, as well i think in early humans (and even later) female sexuality probably wasn't a huge driver in whether they reproduced or not.

J_E · 20-01-2014 05:15PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

If you've X brothers your all going to be competing for resources and mates, a member of that group that doesn't have as strong desire/need to reproduce (don't take offense at this wording please!) increases the chances of offspring of the brothers surviving, therefore this trait that causes likelyhood of homosexuality in males to increase when they have more brothers would be passed on.

That's bro science, wasn't what I meant. Lots of gay men and women would love to have children.

bodice ripper · 20-01-2014 05:16PM

I have this wonderful image of the radfems from the other thread frantically drinking and smoking while pregnant upon reading this news.

RDM_83 again · 20-01-2014 05:27PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

That's bro science, wasn't what I meant. Lots of gay men and women would love to have children.

Bro science

Look I am not saying that that gay people have no desire to reproduce that would be just stupid, but in a situation where there is an imbalance in the numbers of each gender so there is a scarcity of females, homosexuals and bisexuals will have an outlet for sexual release/pair bonding that doesn't result in reproduction or competition with other males over females.

This theory doesn't imply any right or wrong, I am not a biological determinist by any stretch and I don't think evolutionary theory should influence our morals or how we wish our society to be, but we as humans weren't created from scratch in a modern society, we have a few hundred thousand years as homo sapiens before that and 50,000 years as homo sapiens sapiens.

fl4pj4ck · 20-01-2014 05:52PM

Smoking while gay can make your kids pregant

Lapin · 20-01-2014 06:03PM

Shane-KornSpace wrote: »

'Dr. claims that smoking and drinking during pregnancy can make your infant gay and stupid'.

I just don't know what to say......

I do.

The doctor is 100% correct.

Lapin · 20-01-2014 06:06PM

Of course he would have been equally 100% correct if he said not smoking during pregnancy could also result in children being born gay and stupid.

Nichololas · 20-01-2014 06:10PM

So if the mother's smokin' the baby comes out flamin'. Got it.

kneemos · 20-01-2014 06:15PM

Nichololas wrote: »

So if the mother's smokin' the baby comes out flamin'. Got it.

If the mother smokes she gets a
redhead.

Smoking while pregnant can make your kids gay...

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