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drug dealer free.. has the world gone mad?

  • 18-01-2014 02:56PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,856 ✭✭✭


    jesus I know lads 'bullied' into holding drugs and got tougher sentencing that this :eek:
    AN out-of-work butcher caught with more than €137,000 of heroin in his van has been spared jail after a judge accepted he was acting under duress

    Anthony Naughton (28), initially told gardai who stopped him that he was collecting bread to feed his horses.
    But Naughton, of Muskerry Road, Ballyfermot, later pleaded guilty to possessing drugs for sale or supply at Steeples Apartment complex in Chapelizod in February 2012.
    At Dublin Circuit Criminal Court, Judge Mary Ellen Ring said she accepted that he was acting under huge pressure from dangerous people.
    She added the pressure was so intense, she felt she could take the unusual step of giving him a suspended six-year sentence with strict conditions.


    Garda Adrian Eustace had told Cormac Quinn BL, prosecuting, that Naughton had pulled into a lane beside the Village Inn on Tyrconnell Road, after which a man came out and put a package in his van.
    Gardai followed and stopped the car, but it took the defendant a while to come out. When he did, he was shaking and avoided answering questions.
    He told officers there was noting inside the van. When they found the package, he said he had no idea what it was or how it had gotten there.



    THREATENED
    But after he was arrested, he said he had been "dabbling in coke" and had run up a bill.
    He also claimed that he had been intimidated into holding the heroin, with gangsters breaking his jaw, vandalising his van and even threatening his parents.
    Caroline Biggs SC, defending, said that there was "real evidence" of duress in the case and that her client had been desperately frightened.
    "He was involved, but not willingly," she said, adding that he was now ashamed and remorseful of his role.
    The court heard that he suffered "significant assaults" following the incident, and that one attack had left a scar over his eyebrow.


    Naughton has 21 previous convictions for road traffic offences, the court heard. His family has no history of criminality, his lawyer added.
    The defendant worked with a meat company for 10 years before setting up his own business, but he his now out of work.
    He told gardai that he was now lucky to make €100 a week doing deliveries.
    A psychiatric report showed that Naughton suffers from dyslexia and ADHD, but is willing and able to work.
    hnews@herald.ie







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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    They had more evidence than you or I have, to indicate that the guy was intimidated into doing it. "Drug dealer free" is a misleading title as it indicates the dealing was of his own volition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten


    Judge knows more than you, exactly.

    What good would it do jailing him? Nothing. It would do nothing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    The judge was simply sending the correct message that people have more to fear from criminal enforcers than they do from the police, the courts and the rule of law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 222 ✭✭marozz


    The chap will be looking over his shoulder. Someone will be out to get him for "losing" that batch of heroin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,986 ✭✭✭jacksie66


    This post has been deleted.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭SamAK


    May I be so bold as to suggest that prohibition and the war on drugs is solely responsible for this whole sorry fcuking mess?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    SamAK wrote: »
    May I be so bold as to suggest that prohibition and the war on drugs is solely responsible for this whole sorry fcuking mess?

    Breaking the law is the reason for the mess.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    They're saying the law in the first place is causing the mess actually.
    SamAK wrote: »
    May I be so bold as to suggest that prohibition and the war on drugs is solely responsible for this whole sorry fcuking mess?
    Not the sole reason, but a huge part.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,622 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    kneemos wrote: »
    Breaking the law is the reason for the mess.

    Would you break the law to ensure the safety of your family?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,167 ✭✭✭Fr_Dougal


    He must have given the Gardai a lot of names and other info to get off so lightly.

    Elmo is a rat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 122 ✭✭MrBobbyZ


    They're saying the law in the first place is causing the mess actually.

    Not the sole reason, but a huge part.

    Agreed.

    But isnt it the same with many of our laws.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭Nemeses


    Would you break the law to ensure the safety of your family?

    I'm sure there must be other ways than breaking the law.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 731 ✭✭✭Tonto86


    Holy ****, poor guys been through a lot and probably lot more to come.

    Judge was damn right


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 326 ✭✭Knob Longman


    SamAK wrote: »
    May I be so bold as to suggest that prohibition and the war on drugs is solely responsible for this whole sorry fcuking mess?

    Read what this pompous scumbag has to say...
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/call-for-longer-prison-sentences-for-drug-users-1.1659701


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭SamAK


    kneemos wrote: »
    Breaking the law is the reason for the mess.

    Have you ever considered that the laws are just not working and it's time for a new approach?


    Of course not, that would invoke cognitive dissonance, and probably Ad hominem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,009 ✭✭✭Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo


    SamAK wrote: »
    May I be so bold as to suggest that prohibition and the war on drugs is solely responsible for this whole sorry fcuking mess?

    Decriminalise/legalise weed absolutely.

    Setting up crack factories or selling heroin in your local spar absolutely not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,971 ✭✭✭Holsten



    Oh my god... the stupidity is just mind boggling! We've been locking up people for years and years due to drugs and nothing has changed. War was lost before it began.

    Even the almighty anti-drug USA are legalizing. It's insane.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    They're saying the law in the first place is causing the mess actually.

    Not the sole reason, but a huge part.

    Well now that's just an opinion
    Others would say it's a inecessary law.
    If it had been auto parts or somebody's jewelry I presume there would be no question of making such things legal?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    Holsten wrote: »
    Oh my god... the stupidity is just mind boggling! We've been locking up people for years and years due to drugs and nothing has changed. War was lost before it began.

    Even the almighty anti-drug USA are legalizing. It's insane.

    We've being locking up burglars for years as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,094 ✭✭✭SamAK


    kneemos wrote: »
    If it had been auto parts or somebody's jewelry I presume there would be no question of making such things legal?

    Ask any dealer if they would like drugs to be legalized so that they can do their job without fear of prosecution, and they would laugh in your face. Suppliers do not want the laws to change.

    The financial rewards for supplying most drugs on the black market are absolutely huge. Bigger than breaking into someones house and stealing their auto parts or jewelry.

    It is this financial incentive that motivates people to intimidate and threaten, to hurt and kill. Money is a great motivator. Nasty people get rich, and it snowballs from there.

    Banning something pushes the price through the roof. And as we've seen over the past 40 years or so, laws have done NOTHING to stop people from wanting to experience different states of mind.


    There are no 'one size fits all' solutions to this. I don't have all the answers. But the evidence is staring us all in the face. Our current approach is just not working.

    It's time to think of something different. Why can't we discuss it? Why the taboo?

    It is quite possible to entertain an idea without having to accept it!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭catallus


    SamAK wrote: »

    Banning something pushes the price through the roof. And as we've seen over the past 40 years or so, laws have done NOTHING to stop people from wanting to experience different states of mind.

    The laws have worked perfectly well to limit the damage done by drugs to a small section of society; legalising the stuff will only result in more people using drugs; this is the big question about the trial run of cannabis legalisation in Colorado; the suppliers know that the only way to make profit is to get more people taking the stuff; if other drugs were to be legalised then the same applies; in the case of the thread topic, heroin legalisation would be a marketeers wet dream. Of course the current suppliers don't want legalisation, why would they want open competition?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,300 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    Would you break the law to ensure the safety of your family?

    I wouldn't "dabble in coke" so as create a situation where their safety was threatened.

    Jailing him for the heroin might have been a mistake, but he should have done time purely for admitting doing cocaine and causing the entire debauchal to happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,402 ✭✭✭nxbyveromdwjpg


    sdeire wrote: »
    I wouldn't "dabble in coke" so as create a situation where their safety was threatened.

    Jailing him for the heroin might have been a mistake, but he should have done time purely for admitting doing cocaine and causing the entire debauchal to happen.

    And whats that going to achieve? Whats the end game here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,845 ✭✭✭timthumbni


    carzony wrote: »
    jesus I know lads 'bullied' into holding drugs and got tougher sentencing that this :eek:

    Don't ever think that the legal system is there to protect society. They are rotten to the cord and probably cost more then bankers ever did. Legal aid in Norn iron is a joke. I'm assuming you have do thing similar down south.

    I hate lawyers/solicitors etc with a passion. It's one of the biggest scams going.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    timthumbni wrote: »
    Don't ever think that the legal system is there to protect society.
    I will ta.
    They are rotten to the cord and probably cost more then bankers ever did. Legal aid in Norn iron is a joke. I'm assuming you have do thing similar down south.

    I hate lawyers/solicitors etc with a passion. It's one of the biggest scams going.
    Silly tarring tbh. My brother and his wife are solicitors just doing their job and raising their child and living their lives. Must tell them they're rotten to the core and part of a scam.

    Why oh why must so many of you Boards folks decide to apply the behaviour of a minority to everyone in that group? :confused:
    Is it really so difficult not to analyse things a bit further?
    This place should have higher standards than TheJournal.ie, Independent.ie comments and even Facebook. FFS.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,324 ✭✭✭BillyMitchel


    For the amount it is slightly taking the piss and also because of the drug it is. But that whole I was forced and frightened is getting old.

    His fingerprints probably weren't on the bags of heroin too which would have also gone for him and backed up his story. I think I'd nearly rather prison because he has to walk around after been caught with serious amounts of heroin and someone is out of pocket and going to be looking for their money. One of the main dealers gets arrested in the near future who do you think they will blame?

    End of the day - he's focked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,609 ✭✭✭✭kneemos


    SamAK wrote: »
    Ask any dealer if they would like drugs to be legalized so that they can do their job without fear of prosecution, and they would laugh in your face. Suppliers do not want the laws to change.

    The financial rewards for supplying most drugs on the black market are absolutely huge. Bigger than breaking into someones house and stealing their auto parts or jewelry.

    It is this financial incentive that motivates people to intimidate and threaten, to hurt and kill. Money is a great motivator. Nasty people get rich, and it snowballs from there.

    Banning something pushes the price through the roof. And as we've seen over the past 40 years or so, laws have done NOTHING to stop people from wanting to experience different states of mind.


    There are no 'one size fits all' solutions to this. I don't have all the answers. But the evidence is staring us all in the face. Our current approach is just not working.

    It's time to think of something different. Why can't we discuss it? Why the taboo?

    It is quite possible to entertain an idea without having to accept it!

    Criminals will disappear if they legalise drugs?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,059 ✭✭✭WilyCoyote


    Deploy an FCA Special Forces Unit to Afghanistan with a scorched earth policy on the poppy fields. This will be a twin win win scenario ........ cutting off the funding for the Taliban and keeping Europe high (thanks to prevailing wind).


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 931 ✭✭✭periodictable


    Why not just shoot the pushers and dealers? It would be interesting to see how willing these sons of bitches would be to risk their lives.


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