Kickass Torrents & Eircom. (MOD: No Posting torrent site links!)

CarrickMcJoe · 16-01-2014 10:10PM

Spear wrote: »

It might be a good idea to ask in the Eircom forum is this a screw up as part of their regular level of incompetence, or if they've now decided that they're the arbiter of what people can and can't see.

This was reported in the Indo about a fortnight before Xmas that Eircom was going to block Kickass, it had something to do with Sony.

Spear · 16-01-2014 10:22PM

CarrickMcJoe wrote: »

This was reported in the Indo about a fortnight before Xmas that Eircom was going to block Kickass, it had something to do with Sony.

Looks like this is it:

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/media-and-marketing/music-industry-seeks-to-block-access-to-file-sharing-website-1.1612392

It seems Eircom/Vodafone rolled over to the new regime of corporate controlled censorship that Sean Sherlock imposed.

briany · 16-01-2014 10:33PM

I haven't investigated the proxy scene in a while because I was happy enough just using KAT's app on my phone and forwarding magnet links to my NAS, but it really is like a game of whack-a-mole now. There's no way you can stop it, not the way they're going about it anyway. You're just giving a bunch of suits a sense of satisfaction from blocking it and giving us a sense of satisfaction from getting around the block. That's about the net effect. Honestly, it took me the regulation 15 seconds or so to get around the block on the desktop and a bit longer on my Android.

dazdrog · 16-01-2014 10:58PM

Blocked on magnet too

u4rea · 17-01-2014 10:33AM

CarrieLee wrote: »

I know they blocked access to The Pirate Bay a few years ago. Looks like they've now blocked access to Kickass Torrents.

Are these sites blocked by other ISP's too (e.g UPC who I'm thinking of moving to), or just Eircom?

HI THERE YOU WANT KICKASS GOOGLE KICKASSUNBLOCK YOU WILL FIND IT:D

Cabaal · 17-01-2014 12:08PM

superscouse wrote: »

Is there a ban on links to all torrent sites or just the ones banned by the sherlock order?

Its providing links to any torrent site that contains copyright material,

eezarthegreat · 17-01-2014 02:12PM

Eircom need to go. On top of the general shafting of customers (bad speeds, really poor offers - and phone line costs), they treated my mother and father (who were migrating to UPC) with such hostility, it was literally sickening.

I understand that ISPs are pressured to block these sites in an effort to cut down on sharing, P2P and piracy etc, but I must admit, the clampdown sits very well with their repugnant character

Cabaal · 17-01-2014 02:33PM

eezarthegreat wrote: »

Eircom need to go. On top of the general shafting of customers (bad speeds, really poor offers - and phone line costs), they treated my mother and father (who were migrating to UPC) with such hostility, it was literally sickening.

I understand that ISPs are pressured to block these sites in an effort to cut down on sharing, P2P and piracy etc, but I must admit, the clampdown sits very well with their repugnant character

Unless people fight stuff like this though its going to happen across the board.

You've only to look at the uk and see what sites Sky are blocking,

eezarthegreat · 17-01-2014 02:35PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Unless people fight stuff like this though its going to happen across the board.

You've only to look at the uk and see what sites Sky are blocking,

I think, either way, it's coming

Chris The Hacker · 17-01-2014 02:59PM

We can start by not voting for Labour - ever.

The Labour parties in the UK and Australia are ever worse than ours, but only because they have more power. If Labour in Ireland get a bigger share of the seats in the Dail, we'll end up like the UK.

If you're wondering what happened in Australia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia#Proposed_mandatory_filtering_legislation

I remember reading that they actually wanted to censor porn that contains women with small breasts because they too similar to the breasts of underage girls. It's madness.

Cabaal · 17-01-2014 03:32PM

Chris The Hacker wrote: »

We can start by not voting for Labour - ever.

The Labour parties in the UK and Australia are ever worse than ours, but only because they have more power. If Labour in Ireland get a bigger share of the seats in the Dail, we'll end up like the UK.

If you're wondering what happened in Australia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_Australia#Proposed_mandatory_filtering_legislation

I remember reading that they actually wanted to censor porn that contains women with small breasts because they too similar to the breasts of underage girls. It's madness.

You are aware that the current blocks in the UK are being rolled out under a non Labour government right?

The bigger issue here is serious lobbying from the big media business's to push what they want,

wandatowell · 17-01-2014 04:20PM

Regardless of what measures are put in place I can never see piracy being stopped in any meaningful way.

Chris The Hacker · 17-01-2014 05:03PM

Cabaal wrote: »

You are aware that the current blocks in the UK are being rolled out under a non Labour government right?

The bigger issue here is serious lobbying from the big media business's to push what they want,

You're right actually, I though it was initiated by the Labour Party in 2009 and then carried on by the Conservative Party in 2010, as censorship is right down the UK's Labour's alley considering how PC the country is because of them. I'm not a fan of the Conservative Party either because they seem to no different from Labour.

Labour is definitely the problem in Ireland, they're supposed to be for the people and not the corporations, but I think they're on the way out anyway.

SmurfX · 17-01-2014 05:27PM

This is a political issue with the responsibility lying with Sean Sherlock and the FG/Labour government. ISP's are complying with a court order and have little choice in the matter, very important blame gets proportioned correctly here. The notion that record companies are dictating court orders through financial motivation is concerning indeed.

Spear · 17-01-2014 05:30PM

SmurfX wrote: »

This is a political issue with the responsibility lying with Sean Sherlock and the FG/Labour government. ISP's are complying with a court order and have little choice in the matter, very important blame gets proportioned correctly here. The notion that record companies are dictating court orders through financial motivation is concerning indeed.

But there is no court order involved this time, Eircom/Vodafone/Magnet were simply spineless. UPC stood up to them, hence no blocking on UPC for Kickass.

naughto · 17-01-2014 05:47PM

SmurfX wrote: »

This is a political issue with the responsibility lying with Sean Sherlock and the FG/Labour government. ISP's are complying with a court order and have little choice in the matter, very important blame gets proportioned correctly here. The notion that record companies are dictating court orders through financial motivation is concerning indeed.

time for anonymous to have another go at sherlock me thinks

Scrappy600 · 17-01-2014 05:57PM

Sites like UPC and similar offering high download speeds and un limited capping will never fully allow torrent sites to be blocked. They are well aware of proxies and would be cutting off one of their main target audience if they tried blocking these too. They were bound by the high court but know that their product still has a place in the market as long as proxies allow access so it's nothing more than a token gesture compelled by the courts in the case of UPC anyway.

Borderfox · 17-01-2014 06:47PM

Still on three atm, companies should be looking to provide content that is easier to access. They will never learn that

ScrubsfanChris · 17-01-2014 07:07PM

The kickass mirror site is still working if anyone is interested.

SmurfX · 17-01-2014 08:58PM

Spear wrote: »

But there is no court order involved this time, Eircom/Vodafone/Magnet were simply spineless. UPC stood up to them, hence no blocking on UPC for Kickass.

What of the Irish times report and the Voadfone blocked access message? All the ISPs bar one hardly dropped their pants in unison from corporate pressure.

Spear · 17-01-2014 09:04PM

SmurfX wrote: »

What of the Irish times report and the Voadfone blocked access message? All the ISPs bar one hardly dropped their pants in unison from corporate pressure.

They're just re-using the same message from the Pirate Bay block, probably just being lazy. But there was no new court order issued.

firestarter51 · 18-01-2014 12:14PM

Vicxas wrote: »

Kickass now blocked on Vodafone DSL.

Can we discuss proxies or is that not allowed?

im on vodafone
i found a proxy by using google.
only problem is when i hit download i get directed to a torrent cache page and get the torrent numerous times
anyway around this ?

eagle has landed · 18-01-2014 03:43PM

very easy to get around anyway its not the pirates they are out to stop they know they cant stop that , they just want to stop the mass torrenting that is widespread , when ppl see this website is blocked come up you would be surprised how many people will just accept defeat and say oh well il just have to pay for retail version , those are they people are are out to stop ,

18-01-2014 03:56PM

The difference is Eircom will block sites voluntarily upon request from whatever the Irish MPAA Is called. We seen this with TPB months before a court order. One of the only ISPs to do so worldwide without an legal mandate.

UPC will only do so upon court request. I feel for anybody who has no choice besides eircom in their area.

eagle has landed · 18-01-2014 04:03PM

it was always coming anyway and anbody who thinks different is deluded , movie and music companies are losing millions not that i care as its there own fault for ripping off the consumer for years over charging for the products or restricting some aspects , id rather all isp blocked whatever they have to block the ppl who really want to get stuff from torrents will still get it through vpn or proxy means

clint_silver · 18-01-2014 04:11PM

eagle has landed wrote: »

it was always coming anyway and anbody who thinks different is deluded , movie and music companies are losing millions not that i care as its there own fault for ripping off the consumer for years over charging for the products or restricting some aspects , id rather all isp blocked whatever they have to block the ppl who really want to get stuff from torrents will still get it through vpn or proxy means

Are you suggesting that if the music companies had been charging realistic prices for the previous 40-50 years that when illegal downloading came along, people would have said "oh, thats wrong, I can buy that album for 5 quid in the shops"?

not a hope.

donegal. · 18-01-2014 04:26PM

eagle has landed wrote: »

it was always coming anyway and anbody who thinks different is deluded , movie and music companies are losing millions not that i care as its there own fault for ripping off the consumer for years over charging for the products or restricting some aspects , id rather all isp blocked whatever they have to block the ppl who really want to get stuff from torrents will still get it through vpn or proxy means

movie companys made record profits last year.

thegreatiam · 18-01-2014 04:45PM

donegal. wrote: »

movie companys made record profits every year.

but according to their accountants the make huge losses on a weekly basis.

the only cinema magic that comes from hollywood comes from the ledgers

briany · 18-01-2014 06:18PM

wandatowell wrote: »

Regardless of what measures are put in place I can never see piracy being stopped in any meaningful way.

You could shut down the Internet and you wouldn't stop piracy. Sneakernets would develop quickly as computer users swap the contents of their 2, 3 and 4 TB hard drives.

What I'd like to know is what level of bureaucracy must there be going on if it takes 4-5 years to get two torrent sites blocked? What stands in the way of the music industry and whoever else coming in and insisting on a blanket ban of sites rather than just the most popular one?

blade1 · 19-01-2014 04:38PM

blocked on o2 now.

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