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"Can gays be cured of being gay?” RTÉ issues apology over Tweet.

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  • #32
    Sarky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »
    Who said that?

    The God Slot did, by asking "Can gay people be cured of being gay?". I did explain that earlier.


  • #33
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    It's a horribly loaded question which presumes that being gay is some sort of medical affliction.

    On another note, do people who are gay get annoyed at being called 'the gays' and 'gays'?

    No


  • #34
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    darkpagandeath wrote: »
    Can I be cured of being addicted to online Fps games ?


    Yes, give Battlefield 4 a go. The bugs will cure you pretty damn quick.


  • #35
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    For one, he wouldn't not call it something as abrasive as that, and he'd do it a hell of a lot classier than RTE ever could.

    He would call it that to get attention for his program, he like controversy.


  • #36
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Sarky wrote: »
    The God Slot did, by asking "Can gay people be cured of being gay?". I did explain that earlier.

    No, they didn't. Go have a cup of tea.


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  • #37
    generallyjack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26 ✭generallyjack


    Uriel. wrote: »
    It's grating the way society is developing. In my view theoonly way to deal with this "offended at anything" crowd is for organisations / people to stand up to them and not back down out of a fear of some backlash.

    If a child gets sweet every time it cries. It'll never learn and keep crying.

    Unfortunately, it'll never happen

    That is an unreasonable analogy. The LGBT community isn't asking for anything from society other than to be allowed to live in peace. We don't want more than our heterosexual and cisgender peers in terms of how the law and society treat us.


  • #38
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Carlos Roca wrote: »
    It's a horribly loaded question which presumes that being gay is some sort of medical affliction. We're supposed to have moved on from that bullshit a few decades ago.

    On another note, do people who are gay get annoyed at being called 'the gays' and 'gays'?

    Yes, it is a stupid question. Just like "Can straight white men be cured of being straight white men?"

    However, I doubt the latter would create such hysteria. It was a poorly phrased question. That's all. Move on.


  • #39
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »
    Yes, it is a stupid question. Just like "Can straight white men be cured of being straight white men?"

    However, I doubt the latter would create such hysteria. It was a poorly phrased question. That's all. Move on.
    Of course the latter wouldn't create hysteria, because it's not even comparative. Really bad point, to be honest.

    That's along the lines of 'why don't we have straight pride'


  • #40
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Of course the latter wouldn't create hysteria, because it's not even comparative. Really bad point, to be honest.

    Can Christians be cured of their belief in Christ?

    Is that debate allowed on the air?, who decides what we're allowed to discuss?


  • #41
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Of course the latter wouldn't create hysteria, because it's not even comparative. Really bad point, to be honest.

    That's along the lines of 'why don't we have straight pride'

    They are, its just some people choose to be offended by stupid questions. Is there a cure for that?

    As an aside, why not have straight pride?


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  • #42
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Can Christians be cured of their belief in Christ?

    Is that debate allowed on the air?, who decides what we're allowed to discuss?
    It's similarly offensive to Catholics, but you're missing the point here. The issue of gay rights and gay identity is only at the tail end of a fragile 2 decades. Remember, in the 90's this was something that was outright illegal. Had the title been phrased more openly, it probably wouldn't have faced the backlash it did, but the title clearly has an agenda going, probably no reasonable or balanced argument going to happen, and it's just another slap in the face for those of us who have to hear this **** every day in some form or another. RTE are already on shaky ground here.
    Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »
    As an aside, why not have straight pride?
    :rolleyes:


  • #43
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    It's similarly offensive to Catholics, but you're missing the point here. The issue of gay rights and gay identity is only at the tail end of a fragile 2 decades. Remember, in the 90's this was something that was outright illegal. Had the title been phrased more openly, it probably wouldn't have faced the backlash it did, but the title clearly has an agenda going, probably no reasonable or balanced argument going to happen, and it's just another slap in the face for those of us who have to hear this **** every day in some form or another. RTE are already on shaky ground here.


    :rolleyes:

    Good response. I know why.


  • #44
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »
    Good response. I know why.
    Look up Stonewall Riots. Ask yourself why straight people might not need a commemoration day for being straight.


  • #45
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    It's similarly offensive to Catholics, but you're missing the point here. The issue of gay rights and gay identity is only at the tail end of a fragile 2 decades. Remember, in the 90's this was something that was outright illegal. Had the title been phrased more openly, it probably wouldn't have faced the backlash it did, but the title clearly has an agenda going, probably no reasonable or balanced argument going to happen, and it's just another slap in the face for those of us who have to hear this **** every day in some form or another. RTE are already on shaky ground here.


    :rolleyes:

    So condemn the debate before even listening to it, and you think the program makers are ignorant?

    So your saying we can have the debate on Christianity but not on homosexuality, thanks for clearing that up, you decide what we can discuss.


  • #46
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Can Christians be cured of their belief in Christ?

    Is that debate allowed on the air?, who decides what we're allowed to discuss?

    Dawkins


  • #47
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Look up Stonewall Riots. Ask yourself why straight people might not need a commemoration day for being straight.

    So pride is only reserved for victims?


  • #48
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    So condemn the debate before even listening to it, and you think the program makers are ignorant?

    So your saying we can have the debate on Christianity but not on homosexuality, thanks for clearing that up, you decide what we can discuss.
    Thanks for twisting my words. Not going to get into a fluster and inevitable thread lock that follows. If you can't see the point I made, I'm not going to be the one able to help you see it.


  • #49
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    Thanks for twisting my words. Not going to get into a fluster and inevitable thread lock that follows. If you can't see the point I made, I'm not going to be the one able to help you see it.

    You said "probably no reasonable or balanced argument going to happen"

    Didn't twist your words at all, you haven't heard the program yet but are dismissing it as bigoted.


  • #50
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »
    why not have straight pride?
    That's a new one. And true, I really feel the way I struggled for decades to be accepted and not abused for my heterosexuality deserves a pride day.


  • #51
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    So, just to get this straight, in a Utopian world, no one would be permitted to ask this question?


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  • #52
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    That's a new one. And true, I really feel the way I struggled for decades to be accepted and not abused for my heterosexuality deserves a pride day.

    So that's its sole purpose? To reflect on past negative treatment? Whenever I see pride day, it seems to be about the celebration of homosexuality.

    Heterosexual people may not celebrate this?


  • #53
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    That's a new one. And true, I really feel the way I struggled for decades to be accepted and not abused for my heterosexuality deserves a pride day.

    Do you need to have struggled or abused to have pride in something?


  • #54
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Do you need to have struggled or abused to have pride in something?

    It seems so.


  • #55
    Shakti
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭Shakti


    Chazz Michael Michaels wrote: »
    So, just to get this straight, in a Utopian world, no one would be permitted to ask this question?

    A Utopia for whom?


  • #56
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Shakti wrote: »
    A Utopia for whom?

    The offended.


  • #57
    J_E
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,734 ✭✭✭J_E


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Do you need to have struggled or abused to have pride in something?
    I can't believe this discussion is really happening...


  • #58
    Chazz Michael Michaels
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,822 ✭✭✭Chazz Michael Michaels


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    I can't believe this discussion is really happening...

    But it is.

    One of us, one of us.

    Ok, I'm tired. Good night.


  • #59
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Cydoniac wrote: »
    I can't believe this discussion is really happening...

    You are easily impressed.


  • #60
    Femme_Fatale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    enfant terrible wrote: »
    Do you need to have struggled or abused to have pride in something?
    Well what's there to be proud of when you haven't had to fight for it?
    Equally there's no shame in it.


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  • #61
    enfant terrible
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,795 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    Femme_Fatale wrote: »
    Well what's there to be proud of when you haven't had to fight for it?
    Equally there's no shame in it.

    Fight is the critical criteria for pride?

    Who told you this?


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