If you knew your neighbour was a dole cheat would you report him/her

15-01-2014 11:56PM

A person I know is. He earns about €450 at least per week, cash in hand. And gets full dole on top of that. I've felt like reporting him a good few times but it's not really any of my business. He spends his money on drugs, holidays etc..

Really pisses me off when I'm being taxed a sh*tload in my job and he's coming out with more money than me :mad:

matt-dublin · 16-01-2014 12:15AM

Lia_lia wrote: »

A person I know is. He earns about €450 at least per week, cash in hand. And gets full dole on top of that. I've felt like reporting him a good few times but it's not really any of my business. He spends his money on drugs, holidays etc..

Really pisses me off when I'm being taxed a sh*tload in my job and he's coming out with more money than me :mad:

Then report him, especially if he's giving it away to criminals!!!

B.A._Baracus · 16-01-2014 01:29AM

matt-dublin wrote: »

Then report him, especially if he's giving it away to criminals!!!

Why should she?

I mean apart from all the moral bollocks that someone may reply back with... Why should she?

What, to make you happy?

I mean, if Lia_Lia did report him and it got back to said person... like you'd have her back? to fuck you would :pac:

rolliepoley · 16-01-2014 01:42AM

I see a whole bunch of curtin twitchers in this thread.

suicide_circus · 16-01-2014 07:10AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

No you're not.

so those who fail to report crime bare no guilt whatsoever? Do you know what civic responsibility is?

PeterKelly! · 16-01-2014 07:39AM

People are people.

jantheman91 · 16-01-2014 07:43AM

Nope.

I don't know what goes on behind closed doors. Everything might seem dandy to an outsider, but God only knows whether that double they do is barely keeping a roof over their head.

PeterKelly! · 16-01-2014 07:56AM

The problem lies within the system, not with the people. Reporting Billy for drawing the dole when he is earning a decent living off the books is not going to do much good in the great scheme of things. It would probably result in an investigation which would cost the taxpayer thousands before resulting in some sort of fine or suspended sentence for Billy. In any case the social welfare system obviously is in dire need of reform, for some reason we have allowed it to be violently raped for far too long. Due to our own laziness, ineptitude or just lack of caring we leak billions year after year so that sad sack couch potatoes can live in their mam's houses' and live the life of Reilly on our dime.

The point is we need some structural reform very badly, and our government asking us to spy on our neighbors for a small financial reward is just a sad band-aid on their part to delay the inevitable action they will have to take some day in our near future( hopefully!).

jantheman91 · 16-01-2014 08:11AM

PeterKelly! wrote: »

The problem lies within the system, not with the people. Reporting Billy for drawing the dole when he is earning a decent living off the books is not going to do much good in the great scheme of things. It would probably result in an investigation which would cost the taxpayer thousands before resulting in some sort of fine or suspended sentence for Billy. In any case the social welfare system obviously is in dire need of reform, for some reason we have allowed it to be violently raped for far too long. [/b]Due to our own laziness, ineptitude or just lack of caring we leak billions year after year so that sad sack couch potatoes can live in their mam's houses' and live the life of Reilly on our dime. [/b]

The point is we need some structural reform very badly, and our government asking us to spy on our neighbors for a small financial reward is just a sad band-aid on their part to delay the inevitable action they will have to take some day in our near future( hopefully!).

That's a very sad way of looking at things.

The problem itself lies far beyond that. People that are highly qualified with college degrees are sitting on the dole because this country is in tatters.

Couple that with the fact that average wage here is absolute peanuts and there is a very low incentive to work.

I think it's pretty narrow-minded to negatively view people on the dole. You honestly think people enjoy being on it? 144-188 euro a week is nothing. It is far from the life of Riley, I can tell you.

PeterKelly! · 16-01-2014 08:15AM

jantheman91 wrote: »

That's a very sad way of looking at things.

The problem itself lies far beyond that. People that are highly qualified with college degrees are sitting on the dole because this country is in tatters.

Couple that with the fact that average wage here is absolute peanuts and there is a very low incentive to work.

I think it's pretty narrow-minded to negatively view people on the dole. You honestly think people enjoy being on it? 144-188 euro a week is nothing. It is far from the life of Riley, I can tell you.

Sir,

You misunderstand me completely. I hold no ill regard to people who are out of work and actively seeking employment. I simply cannot abide people who are abusing the system, and as aforementioned the system needs to be changed.

I will not repeat myself again.:D

loveacca · 16-01-2014 10:30AM

I agree with the general points of PeterKelly! anyone who is unfortunate to find themselves out of work but has put a lot of sweat and tears into looking for something is entitled to be helped out by the State, it could be any of us.

On the other hand people who make a career our of screwing the system or who have no intention of taking on work as it might interfere with their day need to be hounded by Social Welfare with no apologies

hawkwind23 · 16-01-2014 10:36AM

PeterKelly! wrote: »

Sir,

You misunderstand me completely. I hold no ill regard to people who are out of work and actively seeking employment. I simply cannot abide people who are abusing the system, and as aforementioned the system needs to be changed.

I will not repeat myself again.:D

this made me chortle

they got a live one here
youll be baying for gassing and the public stocks for the poor

hawkwind23 · 16-01-2014 10:44AM

the system is designed to be abused , thats how it works , by exploitation.

these is also so designed that a very small percentage of the population are seen to be living some sort of rock star lifestlye , usually involving 2 holidays a year no less and "drugs" , they might also have lots of kids and "good" clothes.

this only takes a modicum of spin by the state controlled media and everyone perceived by the main populous to be "poor" is the enemy

the enemy tends to be the vulnerable groups

meanwhile back in kansas , the fat cats smirk at the folly of the masses

Frigga_92 · 16-01-2014 11:10AM

I don't see the point in giving out about it if you're not going to do something about it. If you're annoyed about dole cheats, report them.

Specialun · 16-01-2014 11:10AM

PeterKelly! wrote: »

People are people.

Didnt Know that

Frank Black · 16-01-2014 11:14AM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Why should she?
I mean apart from all the moral bollocks that someone may reply back with... Why should she? What, to make you happy?

I mean, if Lia_Lia did report him and it got back to said person... like you'd have her back? to fuck you would :pac:

Would you and others of the 'It's none of my business brigade' take the same view if you knew your neighbour was abusing their kids?

ronjo · 16-01-2014 11:16AM

Frank Black wrote: »

Would you and others of the 'It's none of my business brigade' take the same view if you knew your neighbour was abusing their kids?

Apples and Oranges

Frank Black · 16-01-2014 12:33PM

ronjo wrote: »

Apples and Oranges

Both scenarios involve your neighbour doing something illegal.
Both scenarios involve your neighbour causing harm to other members of society.
Both scenarios involve reporting your neighbour to the responsible State Agency.

Apples and Oranges my arse.

ronjo · 16-01-2014 12:41PM

Frank Black wrote: »

Both scenarios involve your neighbour doing something illegal.
Both scenarios involve your neighbour causing harm to other members of society.
Both scenarios involve reporting your neighbour to the responsible State Agency.

Apples and Oranges my arse.

And one doesnt involve children being abused...

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 12:47PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I'm afraid it's true about the landlord and he still refuses mail. He includes it as part of the lease.

On your first point the teenagers got the dole while living at a fixed address eg their family home. While things at the home got bad they had to leave quickly. They were desperate and signed up to the house were they weren't allowed to declare it as their address.

You would do well to talk to the ISPCC or the victims themselves if you find their claim unbelievable.

Report the LL then!

Still fail to see how this is relevant to dole cheats the teens aren't cheating. On my first point missed that you can explain this and still get your dole.

ISPCC should be fully aware of how to help a teenager in this situation as the DSP are willing to help. DSP do not cut off your dole the minute they find you changed your address.

I am by no means suggesting that people don't have hard times I find it unbelievable that this is a permanent situation to be in. The services do have systems in place to help such people is a complete failure. Again not dole cheats. If anything dole cheats make things more difficult for them

Birdie Num Num · 16-01-2014 01:28PM

ronjo wrote: »

Apples and Oranges

Unfortunately in some cases it is Apples and also Oranges.

old hippy · 16-01-2014 01:34PM

Cienciano wrote: »

You know exactly what I mean

Oh, I know exactly what you and others here mean. It's not enough we have to denigrate people on the dole as scum and criminals. No, we have to make sure they are completely demonised, the lowest of the low.

Friend Computer · 16-01-2014 01:58PM

ronjo wrote: »

And one doesnt involve children being abused...

So what is the point beyond which something becomes so wrong you decide to involve the authorities?

Cienciano · 16-01-2014 02:04PM

old hippy wrote: »

Oh, I know exactly what you and others here mean. It's not enough we have to denigrate people on the dole as scum and criminals. No, we have to make sure they are completely demonised, the lowest of the low.

Keep building up your straw man. Because I never said anything of the sort.

steddyeddy wrote: »

Actually you can blame the gaurds on that. Lots of public reported priests in this country.

Fecken snitches, curtain twitchers. People should just mind their own business

anncoates · 16-01-2014 02:17PM

rubadub wrote: »

Why is this? are there any other crimes where you think the people reporting or aiding the investigation should be disclosed to the criminal, like if somebody identified a bank robber in a line up. Its quite an odd idea to disclose the person reporting the crime, when usually they go out of their way to protect them, like having darkened rooms for line ups or 2 way mirrors.

You have a point to a certain extent but I think outright robbery like a burglary is quite unambiguous compared to the various shades of what people are calling fraud here, for example, somebody occasionally doing nixers right up to outright multiple fraud claims.

Then I suppose you also have the fact that so many people - who would castigate people working
occasionally while claiming social welfare - are often themselves committing a litany of "white" frauds themselves such as under declaring income or expenses, skipping transport fares and what not.

And that's even before you consider the decades of seemingly unpunished shenanigans - with far greater cost - performed by politicians, banks etc.

matt-dublin · 16-01-2014 02:19PM

old hippy wrote: »

Oh, I know exactly what you and others here mean. It's not enough we have to denigrate people on the dole as scum and criminals. No, we have to make sure they are completely demonised, the lowest of the low.

noone has actully said that.

but some people treat the dole and some allowances as an entitlement or god given right instead of support for when things go wrong.

The dole isn't there to support someone's lifestyle, its there to help people get from a to b when they're in times of need.

it was never designed to support people for their whole life.

PeterKelly! · 16-01-2014 02:41PM

Specialun wrote: »

Didnt Know that

Well, you learn something new every day chum.

Ray Palmer · 16-01-2014 02:46PM

anncoates wrote: »

Then I suppose you also have the fact that so many people - who would castigate people working
occasionally while claiming social welfare - are often themselves committing a litany of "white" frauds themselves such as under declaring income or expenses, skipping transport fares and what not.

And that's even before you consider the decades of seemingly unpunished shenanigans - with far greater cost - performed by politicians, banks etc.

So your claim is everybody is scamming. Which isn't true because many people don't see this as the right thing to do is something illegal. I pay my taxes and declare my income and have never skipped on travel fares. So people like me are ok to criticise?

The very reason bankers/politicians don't get charged is because of the silence from observers. If you condone people not reporting dole cheats you are condoning bankers/politicians not being informed on. The definition of a hypocrite.

There are lots of honest people who don't approve of either and would report any such behaviour regardless of it being a banker or a dole cheat.

ronjo · 16-01-2014 03:19PM

Friend Computer wrote: »

So what is the point beyond which something becomes so wrong you decide to involve the authorities?

I guess its up to everyone to decide for themselves.

My point was comparing a dole cheat to a child abuser makes no sense.

Cienciano · 16-01-2014 04:20PM

ronjo wrote: »

I guess its up to everyone to decide for themselves.

My point was comparing a dole cheat to a child abuser makes no sense.

I don't think anyone compared the 2. It was just used to point out the whole "snitching is wrong" argument is bullshíte. Everyone would snitch, it's just what level would you start at.
It's not a mathamatical formula, or a line drawn somewhere, but most people excuse a little bit of robbery.

If you knew your neighbour was a dole cheat would you report him/her

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