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Six Nations 2014 General Discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Scotland
    BoarHunter wrote: »
    Plisson is a very promising out half. He has already put Morné Steyn on the bench ( of course Steyn deserves some rest after the 4 Nations but you would have expected him having more game time ). Good hands, clever distribution and runs good lines with a good boot as well. really looking forward to see him at this level.
    Bonneval is a talent as well just as his father was back in the 80s in the bleu Jersey. Good attacking full back with speed and great lines. He will be a good contender to Dulin Jersey.
    Burban is a work horse. A very physical flanker who tackles hard and is often first to arrive in the ruck zone.


    Good to hear about a promising player coming through at 10. It seems to be an area where France has been lacking in recent years.

    I think it could be an exciting game between Ireland and France, surely we can't have a draw for the third year in a row. If you could beat England and Wales along the way that would be appreciated :D Bonne chance!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭BoarHunter


    Ireland
    I believe Wales will lose at twickers but will be hard to beat in Cardiff. Could end up being a final day point contest between France and Wales on the last day. If that's the case it will be hard for Ireland on the day but if Wales have a chance on the last day to make it 3 tournaments on the trot they will be tough to stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Joubert twice for us, and Owens for the Italy game. Pity. Would've liked him for Twickers.

    Walsh to ref us again against France. Say what you will about him but I actually like him. He makes some monumental mistakes but one thing is I like how much he talks to the players, especially at scrum time, he's very clear about what he wants, unlike Poite. Thankfully we don't have Poite for any of the games.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Scotland
    I don't mind Walsh at all but would like to have Owens a bit more. Far and away the best ref IMO.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    The year after the Lions tours the French are at home to England. The English usually beat them in England but struggle to do so in France, I'd say this is more important than what happened on the Lions tour.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Scotland
    Scotland Preliminary Six Nations squad:

    Forwards: John Beattie (Montpellier), Kelly Brown (Saracens), Geoff Cross, David Denton, Alasdair Dickinson, Ross Ford (all Edinburgh Rugby), Chris Fusaro (Glasgow Warriors), Grant Gilchrist (Edinburgh Rugby), Ryan Grant, Jonny Gray (both Glasgow Warriors), Richie Gray (Castres), Jim Hamilton (Montpellier), Robert Harley (Glasgow Warriors), Scott Lawson (Newcastle Falcons), Kieran Low (London Irish), Moray Low, Pat MacArthur (both Glasgow Warriors), Ross Rennie (Edinburgh Rugby) Alasdair Strokosch (Perpignan), Tim Swinson and Ryan Wilson (both Glasgow Warriors).

    Backs: Chris Cusiter (Glasgow Warriors), Nick De Luca (Edinburgh Rugby), Alex Dunbar (Glasgow Warriors), Max Evans (Castres), Dougie Fife (Edinburgh Rugby), Stuart Hogg, Ruaridh Jackson, Sean Lamont (all Glasgow Warriors), Greig Laidlaw (Edinburgh Rugby), Sean Maitland (Glasgow Warriors), Matt Scott (Edinburgh Rugby), Tommy Seymour (Glasgow Warriors), Duncan Taylor (Saracens), Greig Tonks (Edinburgh Rugby) and Duncan Weir (Glasgow Warriors).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭stpaddy99


    England
    englands year I think sadly, hopefully they lose in scotland though which sends us to twickers looking for blood


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Scotland
    stpaddy99 wrote: »
    englands year I think sadly, hopefully they lose in scotland though which sends us to twickers looking for blood

    I don't know where England are better than us in the squad really. Having Tuilagi back if he makes it for some of the games will make a big difference.

    See very little chance of them losing in Scotland though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,632 ✭✭✭ssaye2


    I don't know where England are better than us in the squad really. Having Tuilagi back if he makes it for some of the games will make a big difference.

    See very little chance of them losing in Scotland though.


    Hopefully Joe gets Ireland performing to a consistently good level regularly, that will be key. We have the players but don't do it in green enough.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Webbs


    Oh joy Wales have Allain Rolland for their French game so down to the bookies to put my money on France


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    France
    Ahhhh the wild optimism of a boards.ie rugby poll.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Scotland
    danthefan wrote: »
    Ahhhh the wild optimism of a boards.ie rugby poll.

    If we ignore the fact that we have been playing with no consistency over the past few years, and look solely at the players that are available and their respective coaches, as well as the home/away dynamic, there isn't really much reason not to be optimistic. We have a relatively clean bill of health, some very good players, and a proven coach who's shown glimpses of where he's hoping to bring the team.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,930 ✭✭✭duckysauce


    Scotland
    Webbs wrote: »
    Oh joy Wales have Allain Rolland for their French game so down to the bookies to put my money on France

    Yep France are the better Team.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Philo Beddoe


    England
    3 votes out of 69 for Wales, only 1 more than for Italy! Will we ever give them the respect they deserve?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    France
    3 votes out of 69 for Wales, only 1 more than for Italy! Will we ever give them the respect they deserve?

    By voting for England I'm disrespecting Wales? Interesting thought process


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 590 ✭✭✭stpaddy99


    England
    3 votes out of 69 for Wales, only 1 more than for Italy! Will we ever give them the respect they deserve?

    It is odd how its always the french english and us who are favourites, yet the welsh so often prevail.....maybe its just their small player base that makes us doubt them? clearly their first 15 is class. but once they get injuries they have problems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Kayless


    Scotland
    P.S. I realise there was a recent thread on who will win, but there was a serious lack of logos and tables to underscore the momentousness of the competition :P. I just can't get properly excited now until I see logos and tables. I hope that's ok.

    :rolleyes: haha not to worry, I prefer the logos myself. Good post.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    France
    Tox56 wrote: »
    By voting for England I'm disrespecting Wales? Interesting thought process

    You personally, no, but the board as a whole obviously is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    France
    danthefan wrote: »
    You personally, no, but the board as a whole obviously is.

    Leaving aside the people who will vote for Ireland even in the event of a mass extermination that killed off every professional rugby player in the country, it's hardly shocking that England and France are hoovering up the votes. There's a reason nobody has won the championship 3 times in a row.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Kayless


    Scotland
    I think like other have said injury's are going to be a big factor, if we still have a full squad by the Italy game I would give us a chance, I don't see any reason not to be optimistic about Ireland's chances, I'm actually looking forward to seeing a couple of the new players in Green especially Marmion and Copeland.

    What's this Rodney Ah You fella like?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    France
    Kayless wrote: »
    I think like other have said injury's are going to be a big factor, if we still have a full squad by the Italy game I would give us a chance, I don't see any reason not to be optimistic about Ireland's chances, I'm actually looking forward to seeing a couple of the new players in Green especially Marmion and Copland.

    I certainly wouldn't hold your breath on Copeland. Marmion I would say is 50/50 at best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    Webbs wrote: »
    Oh joy Wales have Allain Rolland for their French game so down to the bookies to put my money on France

    While your down there you should pop into the really small music shop where a really small man with a really small violin is playing a really sad tune for you. :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Kayless


    Scotland
    danthefan wrote: »
    I certainly wouldn't hold your breath on Copeland. Marmion I would say is 50/50 at best.

    Copeland looks like some player but I'm happy we now have someone to challenge Heaslip, I still think Heaslip is a better player but having him around can't do any harm.

    As for Marmion I hope he gets a shot in the Wolfhounds game and if he impresses then who know's


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,299 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Wales injury list is fairly big and even of the guys who are due back, Warburton and Roberts, in all likelihood they'll just get injured after a game or two.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 817 ✭✭✭Kayless


    Scotland
    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Wales injury list is fairly big and even of the guys who are due back, Warburton and Roberts, in all likelihood they'll just get injured after a game or two.

    I don't understand why they keep giving Warburton the captaincy, the guys injured most of the time.

    Also I think the losing Davis is a big spanner in the works for Wales because Roberts has been injured and hasn't had much game-time, so he's boundy to by rusty also I can't see Gatland putting North in the centre because they don't have anyone that comes close to him on the wing.

    Since Schmidt likes play to go up the middle, I would say that's advantage Ireland, maybe get a few of those Rory Best spinning passes like we saw against NZ


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Scotland
    Tox56 wrote: »
    Leaving aside the people who will vote for Ireland even in the event of a mass extermination that killed off every professional rugby player in the country, it's hardly shocking that England and France are hoovering up the votes. There's a reason nobody has won the championship 3 times in a row.

    What is the reason?

    Wales's wins in the last two years don't make them less likely to win this year. If I flip a coin three times, the odds for each side are 50/50 each time. Whether I got heads the first two times doesn't make it less likely to get heads the third time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,636 ✭✭✭✭Tox56


    France
    What is the reason?

    Wales's wins in the last two years doesn't make them less likely to win this year. If I flip a coin three times, the odds on which side it will land on is 50/50 every time. Whether I got heads the first two times doesn't make it less likely to get heads the third time.

    Because it's hard to sustain that level of performance and hope that other nations don't catch up, I'm thinking France will actually pose a threat this year (bit of a shot in the dark but they love a post Lions year), and although I wouldn't suggest Welsh players won't want it, will they have the same sort of hunger as the English players, away from home, with the element of revenge thrown in? Injuries have hit them hard and they're the hunted now, really for the first time (even last year they were behind the game from the start after the Ireland match) and I think the other teams are getting it together (I haven't even mentioned Ireland yet, who Wales also have away from home).

    I'm not suggesting Wales don't have as good a chance as anyone, but there's plenty of logic in backing other teams ahead of them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Scotland
    Tox56 wrote: »
    Because it's hard to sustain that level of performance and hope that other nations don't catch up, I'm thinking France will actually pose a threat this year (bit of a shot in the dark but they love a post Lions year), and although I wouldn't suggest Welsh players won't want it, will they have the same sort of hunger as the English players, away from home, with the element of revenge thrown in? Injuries have hit them hard and they're the hunted now, really for the first time (even last year they were behind the game from the start after the Ireland match) and I think the other teams are getting it together (I haven't even mentioned Ireland yet, who Wales also have away from home).

    I'm not suggesting Wales don't have as good a chance as anyone, but there's plenty of logic in backing other teams ahead of them

    Ah fair enough I see where you're coming from. I don't know if the fact that they won for the last two years is a reason not to back them though.

    The one thing the Welsh has going for them is consistency, at least against the European sides. They are working with the same squad, and it is still quite youthful, and have an effective coach. So I don't know if there's much reason to assume their performance will dip. And the fact that nobody has won the championship three times in a row before might be a motivating factor, tbh.

    I honestly don't know enough about the French to say whether they're in with a good shout. As was pointed out, they have won the championship every year following a Lions tournament since the professional era began, but I wonder if French rugby was generally more competitive over that time than it has been over the past few years.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭nathan99


    op zebo is not on your list for ireland? is he injured?


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