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Max Keiser: Ireland's biggest problem is RTE

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Just saw someone saying on the other RTE thread that its editorial style is similar to that of The Irish Times.

    So really, if you're biased in a particular way, RTE will be whatever you seek it to be.

    As someone just left of centre, it's decidedly centrist to me.
    Its left/right political leanings aren't important: Its deference to power, unwillingness to engage in investigative work to uncover important stories challenging power, and in general relative unwillingness to rock the boat, is what is important.

    Journalism is meant to be about challenging power, particularly illegal/fraudulent/unethical forms of gaining it (and money=power too), and for pointing out unfair or undemocratic imbalances in power between certain groups and the public - RTE doesn't really act in an adversarial way about that at all (certainly does very little to investigate and uncover it), except for the rare token cases usually brought up by some other organization, that end up in the public spotlight.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    Khomeini wrote: »
    RTE is a disgraceful disinformation machine. It's promotion of gombeen values and propping up of the oligarchy is a disgrace.

    It must be disbanded for the sake of Ireland.
    While I agree with the first sentence, I think disbanding RTE would actually be damaging to the country: Then we would only have news/media controlled by private wealthy interests (and promoting their interests), who would not even need to maintain the thin-veneer of public accountability, that RTE does.

    We need to keep RTE, and demand better standards of journalism from them - and we also need better journalism in general in Ireland, including in private organizations. Most importantly though, we need good investigative journalists, who are able to act completely independently of any journalistic organization.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    The Keiser report is coming up at 9.30pm on RT (formerly Russia Today). The blurb says "Keiser report is a no holds barred look at the shocking scandals behind the global financial headlines".

    Criticising RTE is pretty ironic given the state of the media in Russia. I wonder how many RT journalists would risk treating Putin the way that politicians regularly get treated by RTE.

    If people want to watch the stuff that Keiser and George Galloway spout out it's there on RT on Saorview as is Al Jazeera. We are better served in our media choices than the Russians are. Or the Iranians for whom Galloway also plies his trade on Press TV.

    Are Russians paying E165 a year for RT with threat of imprisonment if they don't pay for news reports that are four sentences long?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    While I agree with the first sentence, I think disbanding RTE would actually be damaging to the country: Then we would only have news/media controlled by private wealthy interests (and promoting their interests), who would not even need to maintain the thin-veneer of public accountability, that RTE does.

    We need to keep RTE, and demand better standards of journalism from them - and we also need better journalism in general in Ireland, including in private organizations. Most importantly though, we need good investigative journalists, who are able to act completely independently of any journalistic organization.
    I agree. In the year 2000 I had a letter to the Irish Times published, a portion of it below sums up how I feel:

    "Surely it is about time, in this the year 2000, for RTE to be completely restructured, weeded of it's bloated staff numbers and given a completely fresh mandate.
    In an Ireland where the overwhelming majority have or will shortly have access to dozens of television channels of all kinds, why is RTE spending millions of license payers money empire building and duplicating what is on these channels ?
    When RTE's Gerry Ryan asserts that if we want to have our own identity through our own television station then we must pay for it, I agree wholeheartedly. But that is not what RTE is delivering.
    How is it reflecting Irish identity to broadcast hours and hours of the same U.S. comedies and drama series they already see on BBC, ITV, C4 and SKY ? How is it benefiting Irish license payers to watch series after series of UK dramas a few weeks or a few months after they have already been broadcast on UK channels ?
    Every year or so we see RTE spending yet more millions bidding on coverage of the World Cup, the Olympics and European soccer matches, yet these events already receive blanket coverage on UK and satellite channels. Is it for our benefit or for the prestige of RTE and it's top brass.
    We need a new RTE that will receive our license fees with responsibility, and spend it on programming that we cannot watch on other channels; on Irish drama, music and the arts as well as current events and news coverage from an Irish perspective. Goodness knows there is also excellent potential for oversees sales for such cultural programming. When has there ever been a time when all things Irish have been so popular all over the world ?
    Where Digital television is concerned, the infrastructure and delivery systems should be totally independent of RTE and indeed all broadcasters, and they should not be able to waste yet more money on their desire to gain total control of this key technology for the future of all media in this country.
    An Irish public broadcasting channel to give a voice to Irish culture and not to mimic, regurgitate and duplicate other channel's programming is where RTE should be focussed, and for that I believe Irish license payers are willing to pay."


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Rabelais wrote: »
    Max Keiser is a fücking loola. Also, using the word rape to describe a financial crisis is, at best, crass.

    But in a nutshell that expression really does sum up what happened to this little nation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,371 ✭✭✭Phoebas


    Khomeini wrote: »
    RTE is a disgraceful disinformation machine. It's promotion of gombeen values and propping up of the oligarchy is a disgrace.

    That's funny in a thread about Max Keiser. Doesn't he work for Russia Today?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Phoebas wrote: »
    That's funny in a thread about Max Keiser. Doesn't he work for Russia Today?

    Tells the truth about Ireland nononetheless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Tells the truth about Ireland nononetheless.
    No he doesn't. He's a retard and a fraud.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Piliger wrote: »
    No he doesn't. He's a retard and a fraud.

    Oreally? Tell me more about these lies about Ireland?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    conorhal wrote: »
    That's interesting, considering bitcoin is currently a bubble curency that could collapse, you'd imagine Keiser would shun investments who's value is based on hot air and positive market sentement driven by fear and greed.

    I reckon he has taken a long position on bitcoin and is using his RT soapbox to pimp it at every opportunity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Aidric wrote: »
    I reckon he has taken a long position on bitcoin and is using his RT soapbox to pimp it at every opportunity.

    He probably does. Why would you trust him? Has his little insights into "mans" predatory greed not taught you anything?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    Its left/right political leanings aren't important: Its deference to power, unwillingness to engage in investigative work to uncover important stories challenging power, and in general relative unwillingness to rock the boat, is what is important.

    Journalism is meant to be about challenging power, particularly illegal/fraudulent/unethical forms of gaining it (and money=power too), and for pointing out unfair or undemocratic imbalances in power between certain groups and the public - RTE doesn't really act in an adversarial way about that at all (certainly does very little to investigate and uncover it), except for the rare token cases usually brought up by some other organization, that end up in the public spotlight.
    But does the BBC have that kind of journalism? Should a public broadcaster not be somewhat neutral?
    I'm not saying this about you, but the "Oh yeh RTE is a government mouthpiece" stuff seems like bandwagon-jumping from some people. I mean, look at the unsubstantiated blurtings on this thread. Just looks like total nonsense.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 953 ✭✭✭donegal__road


    But does the BBC have that kind of journalism? Should a public broadcaster not be somewhat neutral?
    I'm not saying this about you, but the "Oh yeh RTE is a government mouthpiece" stuff seems like bandwagon-jumping from some people. I mean, look at the unsubstantiated blurtings on this thread. Just looks like total nonsense.

    for example what in particular?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Imho RTE is nothing that cannot be adequately covered by the term "lazy". And this is what I would expect from a civil servant organisation where there is little culpability and an excess of committee control. They employ too many people and aspire to little. They go along to get along and waste money in the millions. End of.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,797 ✭✭✭KyussBishop


    But does the BBC have that kind of journalism? Should a public broadcaster not be somewhat neutral?
    I'm not saying this about you, but the "Oh yeh RTE is a government mouthpiece" stuff seems like bandwagon-jumping from some people. I mean, look at the unsubstantiated blurtings on this thread. Just looks like total nonsense.
    That kind of 'neutral', isn't actually neutral. The idea of journalistic 'neutrality', creates subservience to power, by muddying the truth; presenting both 'sides' of a debate, on equal terms, even if one side is true and the other completely fabricated lies - good journalists expose and point out (and pillory) the lies/untruths, not portray them on equal footing with the truth.

    A good article on it here:
    http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/oct/29/new-york-times-newspapers

    (and no, I'd say the BBC is quite subservient in its own ways too)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,628 ✭✭✭Femme_Fatale


    I think of it as just being the public broadcaster way. Look at PBS - not the place where there'll be groundbreaking investigative journalism, but certainly not a puppet network for the government either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    (and no, I'd say the BBC is quite subservient in its own ways too)

    Investigative journalism is thin on the ground these days. On the subject of the BBC, just look at Panorama now, close to a joke.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Yeah I can remember Keiser making a stab city jibe in order to have a pop at Michael Noonan a while back. When a so called expert has to resort to cheap shots like that to get his point across they are no better then Eamon Dunphy tbh

    I do agree though with him that the people of this country have taken too much crap off this government and its many many failed institutions, RTE being one of them to a certain degree. Another cess pool of money, Irish water where the 50 m in consultants fees were brushed off by one of the most ignorant buffoons in politics Phil Hogan


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,390 ✭✭✭clairefontaine


    I think of it as just being the public broadcaster way. Look at PBS - not the place where there'll be groundbreaking investigative journalism, but certainly not a puppet network for the government either.

    PBS is paid for by private citizens, it gets some government funding - which is in itself questionable, but then it also has the Koch brothers pumping money into it.

    It's not the same as BBC or RTE by any stretch.

    Also Ireland has weird libel and blasphemy laws and a culture that doesn't like to rock the boat, no reason to think that culture doesn't seep upwards to sweeping things under the carpet.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,007 ✭✭✭Phill Ewinn


    Wonder if RTE will take on some kind of live feedback or public commentary system. A text line or twit-ter hastag so people can call bollox on their shenanigans as they happen. A scrolling bar ala sky news that relates exactly how much sh1te the pissy aul wan who reads the news is spesking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Wonder if RTE will take on some kind of live feedback or public commentary system. A text line or twit-ter hastag so people can call bollox on their shenanigans as they happen. A scrolling bar ala sky news that relates exactly how much sh1te the pissy aul wan who reads the news is spesking.

    Most of their shows have a dedicated hashtag as far as I am aware.


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