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Emirates to go 2x daily DXB-DUB from September

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  • #2
    urajoke
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    eatmyshorts wrote: »
    EK to go double daily on the Dublin route from September.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/business/sectors/transport-and-tourism/emirates-to-boost-dublin-dubai-route-1.1649327

    Not unexpected but good news none the less.


  • #3
    brandon_flowers
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    Just spotted it now on twitter. Can only be good news, I'm sure if Qatar arrive it will stick in a nice bit of competition into Emirates and Etihad. They both seem to be making a pretty penny from the routes since they commenced a few years ago especially through cargo loads.


  • #4
    Preset No.3
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    And Aer Lingus said they couldnt make any money from that route?


  • #5
    Jamie2k9
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    Preset No.3 wrote: »
    And Aer Lingus said they couldnt make any money from that route?

    EK and EY wouldn't be making money if it was just point to point traffic or very little.....hence why EI couldn't either.


  • #6
    Delta Kilo
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    Emirates have a stronghold in DXB too, I have had meetings in my job with smaller airlines from that part of the world who made it very clear that politics in Dubai was very centred on Emirates and other airlines were squeezed out of DXB. Aer Lingus wouldn't get a look in.


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  • #7
    lord lucan
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    It'll be interesting to see what time the second outbound from DUB leaves at. When rumours surfaced of a second EK flight a few months back the suggestion was that it would leave after the second EY so it'll be quite late.


  • #8
    smurfjed
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    Having flown Emirates and Turkish into Dublin, I have to admit that i preferred Turkish mainly because the flights were on an A321 and B738, rather than an EK B777 with 10 abreast seating. The legroom on Turkish was also better as was the transit through Istanbul.
    On a final note, Turkish was over 200 cheaper and gave a 30 kg baggage allowance.


  • #9
    brandon_flowers
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    Just a guess...

    With their current set up they depart DUB at 13:50 and arrive in DXB at 00:25 LT, the flight from DXB departs at 07:25 and arrives in DUB at 12:15. So they have a 1.5 hr turnaround in DUB and an overnight in DXB. With night ops reduced I am guessing they would only want the second daily flight to be arriving in DXB after 05:30 so departing DUB at 19:45 give or take. Then the second DXB-DUB leg would be at 12:25 from DXB and arriving in DUB at 17:15.


  • #10
    NewSigGuy
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    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    Just a guess...

    With their current set up they depart DUB at 13:50 and arrive in DXB at 00:25 LT, the flight from DXB departs at 07:25 and arrives in DUB at 12:15. So they have a 1.5 hr turnaround in DUB and an overnight in DXB. With night ops reduced I am guessing they would only want the second daily flight to be arriving in DXB after 05:30 so departing DUB at 19:45 give or take. Then the second DXB-DUB leg would be at 12:25 from DXB and arriving in DUB at 17:15.

    No Reduction in Night Ops in DXB!


  • #11
    Peregrine
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    Airline chief executive Tim Clark said number of flights from Ireland will double

    I presume the second flight will be operated by an A330?


    Anyway, this is welcome news but no surprises here.


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  • #12
    Zonda999
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    Maybe it'll start with A330-200/A340-300 but I would expect it to go double daily 77W before too long, judging on the size of the ever growing 77W fleet


  • #13
    LXFlyer
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    brandon_flowers wrote: »
    Just a guess...

    With their current set up they depart DUB at 13:50 and arrive in DXB at 00:25 LT, the flight from DXB departs at 07:25 and arrives in DUB at 12:15. So they have a 1.5 hr turnaround in DUB and an overnight in DXB. With night ops reduced I am guessing they would only want the second daily flight to be arriving in DXB after 05:30 so departing DUB at 19:45 give or take. Then the second DXB-DUB leg would be at 12:25 from DXB and arriving in DUB at 17:15.

    I would imagine that the timing of the second flight will revolve around providing onward connections at Dubai - particularly to/from Australia and China.

    I would think it will be even later than your suggestion, as the first flights arrive in Dubai from Sydney at 14:30 and from Beijing at 12:00.

    Allowing time for the connections, that would have it leaving Dubai at 15:55, arriving into Dublin at 20:45.

    A return flight at 22:15 would arrive into Dubai for 08:50, allowing a connection to Sydney at 10:15 and Beijing at 11:00.


  • #14
    pclancy
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    Meh Dubai is a mess and I'd still rather fly an airline that doesn't pack in 10 abreast with poor legroom. As a tall person Korean Air and Malaysian will always get my dollars :)


  • #15
    Zonda999
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    I don't know if this is the right place to bring it up but there are rumblings about a Qatar airways service as well, at least there is on airliners.net anyways..


  • #16
    urajoke
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    I wonder will they all try and squeeze on to 400c


  • #17
    Stinicker
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    This will bring to 35 flights a week between Dublin and hub airports in Asia,

    Currently there is:

    • A daily service to Istanbul; ten flights a week with Turkish Airlines
    • A daily service to Abu Dhabi; ten flights a week with Etihad
    • A daily service to Dubai; 7 flights a week with Emirates, soon to be 14 a week from Sept '14.


  • #18
    LXFlyer
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    Technically Istanbul Airport is in Europe!


  • #19
    pclancy
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    Direct to Singapore, Hong Kong, Incheon or Kuala Lumpor would really be cool hub airports for the expats living down under.


  • #20
    brandon_flowers
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    pclancy wrote: »
    Direct to Singapore, Hong Kong, Incheon or Kuala Lumpor would really be cool hub airports for the expats living down under.

    Wholeheartedly agree but...

    SQ already have a hub at FRA for through pax
    MH at AMS
    KE at CDG
    CX at LHR

    The best we can hope for is that Qatar do join, after that it seems the rest is already sewn up.

    I suppose the issue of runway length at DUB doesn't help either.


  • #21
    urajoke
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    Unconfirmed aircraft type is a 777-200LR note it's unconfirmed. Bit of an odd choice.

    The timings of the flight indicate all four ME flights will use 400C


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  • #22
    brandon_flowers
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    For the NCE-DXB route (which I see probably once a week on stand in Nice) they have used a mix of 777-200ER, 200LR and 300. I have seen them use an A340-500 once in Nice.

    In Lyon they have the same random spread of aircraft also although I have seen an A340-500 there more than once.

    I guess they will chop and change to suit themselves once the second flight is up and running and they know the loads they have.


  • #23
    Tenger
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    urajoke wrote: »
    Unconfirmed aircraft type is a 777-200LR note it's unconfirmed. Bit of an odd choice.

    Aircraft used would be more to do with what they have available for that slot than what would be the most effective. Perhaps all their other A332 and B773 are dedicated to other routes. And they decided that the 2nd daily was more important to launch before waiting for more aircraft to be on hand. Over the next 2-3 years EK will be phasing out their older B777's in favour for more B773's. Longterm the A330-200 will be their smallest widebody.


  • #24
    smurfjed
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    use 400C
    Whats this?


  • #25
    JamieIsGod
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    smurfjed wrote: »
    Whats this?

    The stand currently used by EK and EY in Dublin


  • #26
    Marcusm
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    pclancy wrote: »
    Direct to Singapore, Hong Kong, Incheon or Kuala Lumpor would really be cool hub airports for the expats living down under.

    Not a hope in hell; a small island on the edge of Europe wouldn't fit the profile of the flag airlines in any of those locations. Emirates/Dubai are anxious to create passenger and cargo hubs. Ireland is a more key location for medical devices, pharma and some IT - this can lead to cargo in and out through distribution centres in Dubai. FAr east destinations would look for point to point at that end and Ireland would not be a destination point.


  • #27
    Bo91
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    With Emirates going double daily , when is it possible for them to start with the a380 ? Is it just down to a double decker bridge ? And then it's possible ?


  • #28
    urajoke
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    No not that simple. A lot of infrastructure would need to be improved. Signage moved. Fire category needs to be upgraded for the aircraft. Catering vehicles to reach top deck etc.

    Remember even airports like Heathrow and LAX that take A340-600s and 777-300s had to spend millions to even allow the aircraft to move around the airfield.

    Emirates would probably go triple daily or more before they would consider the A380. I can't imagine the DAA seeking them to operate it in the near future due to the amount of money they would need to spend for one aircraft.


  • #29
    urajoke
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    Have a read it's quite detailed and an airport would need to go through things in fine detail for its own unique situation.

    http://www.aci.aero/aci/aci/file/Technical_Safety/A380%20infrastruture%20reqs%20-%20alternates.doc


  • #30
    Tenger
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    Bo91 wrote: »
    With Emirates going double daily , when is it possible for them to start with the a380 ? Is it just down to a double decker bridge ? And then it's possible ?

    Its not that simple. Double daily actually is a more enticing to passengers than a single A380 flight. 2 flights offer more transfer options. And offering an single A380 when Ethiad offer 2 departures may lose them some pax to EY.


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  • #31
    urajoke
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    The airport could simply say NO to the A380 as it might never recoup the cost of modicfications to the airport from the A380 flights.

    Let's say it cost €5 million to modify the airport it would take a lot of passengers and several years to see a return on the investment whereas if you say no there is no cost as you don't need to modify the airport but you end up with a 2x or a 3x daily service instead of a 10 or 14 weekly service of a mixed 777/380.


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