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Sky call out fee

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    steveon wrote: »
    .if u want the dish replaced for free take out an insurance policy and pay an extra few euro a month in exactly the way u do for your phone and electricity supply.

    Why would you do that when a threat to cancel will achieve the same result for free.

    It is up to Sky to decide whether they can absorb the costs of a call-out fee and I've yet to hear of someone being let cancel in these circumstances.

    Quite obviously the potential loss of an indefinite number of months of subscription charges versus a one off absorption of a call-out fee is preferable to Sky - and why wouldn't it be?

    All the people ranting and raving here on their behalf bemuse me to be honest :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    radiowaves wrote: »
    Why would you do that when a threat to cancel will achieve the same result for free.

    It is up to Sky to decide whether they can absorb the costs of a call-out fee and I've yet to hear of someone being let cancel in these circumstances.

    Quite obviously the potential loss of an indefinite number of months of subscription charges versus a one off absorption of a call-out fee is preferable to Sky - and why wouldn't it be?

    All the people ranting and raving here on their behalf bemuse me to be honest :D

    Not everyone who threatens to leave will be successful in getting a free dish or service call, if you do well done but u will only get it done once. If my washing machine or car breaks down I done get it fixed for nothing despite the manufacturer making a mint off me in the process....Sky take months to make any money off any customer and as wind is an act of god Sky shouldnt be expected to fix everything for free in the same way u wouldnt expect a builder to come back and fix ur roof if a storm takes off some ridge tiles 4 or 5 yrs later after you paid him to build the house...its the same logic and people seriously need to see it like that..

    As I said I feel some service calls should be free due to bad installation in the first place but people who have dishes for 10yrs and still expect thing for free are seriously taking the p***


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    steveon wrote: »
    Not everyone who threatens to leave will be successful in getting a free dish or service call, if you do well done but u will only get it done once. If my washing machine or car breaks down I done get it fixed for nothing despite the manufacturer making a mint off me in the process....Sky take months to make any money off any customer and as wind is an act of god Sky shouldnt be expected to fix everything for free in the same way u wouldnt expect a builder to come back and fix ur roof if a storm takes off some ridge tiles 4 or 5 yrs later after you paid him to build the house...its the same logic and people seriously need to see it like that..

    As I said I feel some service calls should be free due to bad installation in the first place but people who have dishes for 10yrs and still expect thing for free are seriously taking the p***

    As I said I've yet to hear someone being let cancel in these circumstances.

    Myself, I've had probably 5-6 free (and no paid) call-outs over the past 12-13 years - that's a little more than once :D

    My present dish is up in the air, exposed to all the elements on a pole and has lasted 5.5 years without a hint of trouble - goes to show what a decent installation can achieve.

    I finally left Sky altogether a year ago because the HD box that I sourced myself was failing. They offered to replace the box, originally for a fee and then for free. I declined, but the point is they weren't going to let me cancel.

    As I said, it's up to Sky to decide whether they can absorb the costs and for any customers to decide whether a threat to cancel is worth risking but one thing is for sure, Sky are big enough to fight any perceived battles all by themselves :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,877 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    radiowaves wrote: »
    As I said I've yet to hear someone being let cancel in these circumstances.
    Well, you are hearing it now...or at least something similar. I had the same box for about 8 years (paid up sports sub every year) and when the box give up after trying various upgrades, factory restore etc I asked for a replacement. They told me it would cost €100 for an engineer to call out to see if the box could be repaired and if not I would get a replacement box.

    Having pointed out the thousands of Euros I had paid them over the years they were still adamant that I would have to pay the €100 call out charge so I said I would cancel if they didnt provide it free. They called my bluff basically and 31 days later I was cut off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    muffler wrote: »
    Well, you are hearing it now...or at least something similar. I had the same box for about 8 years (paid up sports sub every year) and when the box give up after trying various upgrades, factory restore etc I asked for a replacement. They told me it would cost €100 for an engineer to call out to see if the box could be repaired and if not I would get a replacement box.

    Having pointed out the thousands of Euros I had paid them over the years they were still adamant that I would have to pay the €100 call out charge so I said I would cancel if they didnt provide it free. They called my bluff basically and 31 days later I was cut off.

    I know plenty of people who done the same...and in the end went to UPC and then came back crying later on...in the end more time and effort wasted...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    muffler wrote: »
    Well, you are hearing it now...or at least something similar. I had the same box for about 8 years (paid up sports sub every year) and when the box give up after trying various upgrades, factory restore etc I asked for a replacement. They told me it would cost €100 for an engineer to call out to see if the box could be repaired and if not I would get a replacement box.

    Having pointed out the thousands of Euros I had paid them over the years they were still adamant that I would have to pay the €100 call out charge so I said I would cancel if they didnt provide it free. They called my bluff basically and 31 days later I was cut off.

    Thanks for letting me know mate and sorry it didn't work for you :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,877 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    radiowaves wrote: »
    Thanks for letting me know mate and sorry it didn't work for you :)
    Ah, I was just posting to show that not everyone who rings up and threatens to cancel will automatically get a free replacement dish or box.

    And although steveon may not want to hear this it actually worked out a lot better for my wife a couple of months later when a guy driving a Sky van knocked on the door and got her to sign up (I wasnt even there at the time) so I/we ended up with a new box and dish. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    muffler wrote: »
    Ah, I was just posting to show that not everyone who rings up and threatens to cancel will automatically get a free replacement dish or box.

    And although steveon may not want to hear this it actually worked out a lot better for my wife a couple of months later when a guy driving a Sky van knocked on the door and got her to sign up (I wasnt even there at the time) so I/we ended up with a new box and dish. :)

    I have nothing against anyone who does get it done for free but them thinking they have an absolute right to get it done for nothing is ridiculous and as I keep on saying but that NOBODY seems to read is what happened in the past isn't going to continue to work as sky have new procedures in place to stop such measures, I am forever getting bounced signups from people who lie to my face telling me they never had sky before when they did, all new applicants are now expected to come directly into the store I install for and talk directly to sky agent on the phone and their voices are recorded.

    I'm not too sure how the big companies get away will lying to people on the doorsteps as we are small indepentant installers cannot do the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    muffler wrote: »
    Ah, I was just posting to show that not everyone who rings up and threatens to cancel will automatically get a free replacement dish or box.

    And although steveon may not want to hear this it actually worked out a lot better for my wife a couple of months later when a guy driving a Sky van knocked on the door and got her to sign up (I wasnt even there at the time) so I/we ended up with a new box and dish. :)

    I take it back :D

    Listen, I rang up on behalf of the father-in-law to cancel altogether. He'd had the sports pack for years on a single-feed dish to one of the ancient boxes. He actually wanted to quit too but I told him to let me see what I could get!

    The outcome? A downgrade to the base pack (with a waiver of the 31 days notice). A brand new HD box with multi-feed installed. I'd be lying if I said it was for free - it cost him the price of a phone-call.

    I've managed similar results for family who hadn't the savvy to do it themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 katiebent


    €60 is not a good deal for a call out. UPC don't charge for call outs, they also replace the the box free of charge if there's an issue. They send technicians out the next day, and they don't charge line rental. Sounds like Sky is ripping you off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,688 ✭✭✭winston_1


    katiebent wrote: »
    €60 is not a good deal for a call out. UPC don't charge for call outs, they also replace the the box free of charge if there's an issue. They send technicians out the next day, and they don't charge line rental. Sounds like Sky is ripping you off.

    I believe the UPC box belongs to UPC, along with their socket and wiring. They are fixing their own equipment.

    A Sky box and dish belongs to the customer. Therefore it is the customers responsibility. If you think €60 is a rip off, try getting a call out to a dish washer, washing machine, or central heating and you'll soon realise €60 is a bargain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    katiebent wrote: »
    €60 is not a good deal for a call out. UPC don't charge for call outs, they also replace the the box free of charge if there's an issue. They send technicians out the next day, and they don't charge line rental. Sounds like Sky is ripping you off.

    UPC do not provide next day service calls, that is a complete lie, I am forever getting calls from people who either cant get through to the service line or from people who are sick of waiting for a service call.

    Also as I also pointed out earlier in the thread UPC will charge if there was no reason for the service call in the first place such as human error pulling out a scart lead etc..and finally U are renting the equipment from UPC if you cancel your sub all equipment must be returned if not u are liable for the cost of the box often upto €300. With sky after 12 months all equipment is yours to keep.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    winston_1 wrote: »
    The Sky dish is YOUR equipment and YOUR responsibility. The broadband dish is the broadband providers equipment. That is the difference.

    €60 is a bargain for a callout. No other tradesman will come out for less these days. Pay up and stop whinging.

    Rubbish.
    You only have the sky dish to get a sky subscription that you pay over the odds for in the first place.

    Sky should be paying the tradesmen for issues with the equipment.

    If they want your money bad enough, which they do, they will and should be fixing it for free


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    Rubbish.
    You only have the sky dish to get a sky subscription that you pay over the odds for in the first place.

    Sky should be paying the tradesmen for issues with the equipment.

    If they want your money bad enough, which they do, they will and should be fixing it for free

    You get a free dish and a box at the beginning which costs over €330 ......if an average person has a sub at €30 a month it takes 11 months for sky to make any money off you.....do the maths if they done everything for free they wouldnt be in business.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,244 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Rubbish.
    You only have the sky dish to get a sky subscription that you pay over the odds for in the first place.

    Sky should be paying the tradesmen for issues with the equipment.

    If they want your money bad enough, which they do, they will and should be fixing it for free

    So again. If you've cancelled sky and are using it for free view who would you call and how much would you pay to have it sorted? If you had free view and we're paying for set anti, would you expect setanta to come sort it?

    What if you've fitted a non sky dish? Still sky's problem to fix it?

    How about if you've move the dish when getting an extention, should sky come fix that too?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,905 ✭✭✭steveon


    So again. If you've cancelled sky and are using it for free view who would you call and how much would you pay to have it sorted? If you had free view and we're paying for set anti, would you expect setanta to come sort it?

    What if you've fitted a non sky dish? Still sky's problem to fix it?

    How about if you've move the dish when getting an extention, should sky come fix that too?

    Finally someone with common sense......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭dobman88


    Got my sky back yesterday. The arm of the dish had completely rusted off. The guy laughed when I told him it had only been moved a few months ago cos it was installed wrong the first time and they left that dish. Cowboys. I'm glad I didn't pay 60 euro. Skys cutomer service is ridiculous


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 693 ✭✭✭Dave..M


    The box is yours line is a misnomer these days, it's next to useless in Ireland without a SKY sub now so they should replace if free if it fries, the dish is a different story but they should offer to fix it free with an additional contract period (3 or 6 months) to cover themselves for people flipping to freesat or 60 quid with no additional contract. That way everyone is happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Still have to laugh at people deciding they know Sky's business plan better than Sky themselves!

    And crying and whinging on Sky's behalf, the poor poor lambs at Sky HQ eh :o


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,285 ✭✭✭Peter Rhea


    Some of us get annoyed by the sense of entitlement others seem to possess. But yeah, you would be foolish to think everything is set in stone & that you can't 'believe in better' . . .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭radiowaves


    Peter Rhea wrote: »
    Some of us get annoyed by the sense of entitlement others seem to possess. But yeah, you would be foolish to think everything is set in stone & that you can't 'believe in better' . . .

    I understand that to be fair, it just seems that some of the arguments on behalf of the multi-million turnover company seem a little over-zealous (and repetitive). :)

    They can afford to waive 60euro if they feel they will get something from the customer in turn.

    Many of us find it difficult to pay 60 euro on top of monthly charges increasingly crippling monthly charges.

    But anybody trying the cancelling tactic need to be prepared to see it through ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    So again. If you've cancelled sky and are using it for free view who would you call and how much would you pay to have it sorted? If you had free view and we're paying for set anti, would you expect setanta to come sort it?

    What if you've fitted a non sky dish? Still sky's problem to fix it?

    How about if you've move the dish when getting an extention, should sky come fix that too?

    Your joking right???

    If your using it free view then OBVIOUSLY it’s your responsibility.:rolleyes:

    If you subscribe to SKY then in my view and a lot of others (except the obvious installers here), it is SKY’s responsibility to rectify all issues with your equipment, free!

    Also this crap I see abt “if you had a washing machine breakdown would you expect the ESB to fix it”

    Electricity is a necessity to live in a modern society. I do not buy electricity to solely run my washing machine, I buy it to run hundreds of items around my home. Anything past the distribution board belongs to me, therefore I must maintain it.

    Sky is a premium service and I buy their dish and equipment to run their expensive subscription. If any part of that system is not working, then their luxury subscription is useless to me……

    Any argument against that I believe is ridiculous…


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    A decent satellite meter is 300+, public liability insurance 600+, run a van is a few hundred a week, all adds up. 60 quid is a bargain, I charge 60-80 depending on how easy it is and an extra 50 if I have to take the roofing ladder off the van.

    You charge extra for using one of the tools of your trade :eek:

    Is the charge waved if I take the ladder off your van for you or supply my own ladder?

    I can imagine a mechanic , i'm going to have to use the bigger wrench that will be 50 euro please


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    You charge extra for using one of the tools of your trade :eek:

    Is the charge waved if I take the ladder off your van for you or supply my own ladder?

    I can imagine a mechanic , i'm going to have to use the bigger wrench that will be 50 euro please

    The cost is to offset the risk of and the insurance to cover working in a roof. Sky refuse to install on roofs. I am not insured on your ladder and have had this issue before with customers trying to get me to use their makeshift wooden roofing ladder, no way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,569 ✭✭✭dobman88


    The cost is to offset the risk of and the insurance to cover working in a roof. Sky refuse to install on roofs. I am not insured on your ladder and have had this issue before with customers trying to get me to use their makeshift wooden roofing ladder, no way.

    Some cowboys still alive and well


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    dobman88 wrote: »
    Some cowboys still alive and well

    You're very welcome to get a cowboy without ladder and health and safety training and PL insurance, there's plenty of them


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    The cost is to offset the risk of and the insurance to cover working in a roof. Sky refuse to install on roofs. I am not insured on your ladder and have had this issue before with customers trying to get me to use their makeshift wooden roofing ladder, no way.

    So step 1 ring insurance company and arrange on the spot bigger ladder insurance.
    Step 2 take bigger ladder off the van

    Or would this be just a general running cost of your business? Like van insurance?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭White Heart Loon


    So step 1 ring insurance company and arrange on the spot bigger ladder insurance.
    Step 2 take bigger ladder off the van

    Or would this be just a general running cost of your business? Like van insurance?

    How about you go troll someone else


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 485 ✭✭Play To Kill


    So step 1 ring insurance company and arrange on the spot bigger ladder insurance.
    Step 2 take bigger ladder off the van

    Or would this be just a general running cost of your business? Like van insurance?

    Getting an industrial roof ladder on to a roof while standing on another ladder a couple of storys high is not easy, there is also a lot of risk associated with roof access. Then there is the additional work with setting up and using a fall arrest system for safety. It is a lot of additional work and time that an installer rightly charges for. There is then of course the issue of insurance, the higher an installer is prepared to work at the higher the annual insurance premium.
    Customers who needlessly insist that their dishes are installed on a chimney are quite rightly charged more to cover both the extra time spent on a job and the extra cost of insurance.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,057 ✭✭✭irish bloke


    Lads,
    there's no one saying SKY installers shouldn't be paid, they should just be paid by SKY and not the already fleeced customers....


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