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Americanized Anglasized Irish Names

  • 04-01-2014 02:26AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,987 ✭✭✭✭


    The Irish surname has gone through a good few changes down the centuries with the British changing our Irish names to something that they could pronounce but then when we emigrated to America during the famine it changed again in pronunciation if not in spelling.

    So we have names like Moran being pronounced more-an or Doherty being pronounced Dokerty or Gallagher as Gallager

    but I am still confused as to one name, the name Shaughnessy!
    what is the socially acceptable current Irish way to pronounce it, is it shawnessy or shocknessy?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Clearly it's "Shocknessy"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,623 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The Wee Baby Seamus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,034 ✭✭✭uch


    Katelinn instead of Cáitlín

    22/25



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,417 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    So.........


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,718 ✭✭✭✭antodeco


    Ironically, I dont know a single irish person named Shaughnessy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    Shawnessy in Montenotte. Shocknessy everywhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,639 ✭✭✭feargale


    Shawnessy in Montenotte. Shocknessy everywhere else.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    There is am irony to spelling anglicised phonetically in the title whilst giving out about the phonetic spelling of names.

    Most of those "Irish " names are anglicised versions of the Irish names which were probably Celtic versions of native tribes.

    Less of the superior juice


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,893 ✭✭✭Davidius


    'Shocknessy' is closer to the Irish Ó Seachnasaigh I would think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭Killer Wench


    My name is Siobhan. I recently came across someone named Siovaughn. I wept.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,987 ✭✭✭✭Skerries


    There is am irony to spelling anglicised phonetically in the title whilst giving out about the phonetic spelling of names.

    therein lies the rub!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 856 ✭✭✭idunno78


    My name is Siobhan. I recently came across someone named Siovaughn. I wept.

    My mam was in the in the us a few years back and that is how they pronounced her name! Si-o-vaun!! She had to write it phonetically so they could say it right!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭mathepac


    ...
    Most of those "Irish " names are anglicised versions of the Irish names which were probably Celtic versions of native tribes. ...
    Possibly, but some are hard to trace. For example, Johnson in some areas has the same origin as McKeown or Mac Eoin literally "John's Son". Fascinating subject. I used to be a big fan of "Meet the Clans" on the steam wireless, fado, fado.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭MonaPizza


    Put a man on the Moon and they can't get O'Mahoney right...


    O' Mah-HOE-Nee

    Fcuks sake


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,302 ✭✭✭JohnMearsheimer


    I generally like Irish names. I lived in Canada for a while. I have an Irish first name. Whenever I went to Starbucks I'd just tell them my name was John for when they were writing it on the cup. Less hassle :)

    I remember an American singer called Ciara but she seemed to pronounce it as Sierra. I've seen Ciaran spelled as Kieron as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 186 ✭✭Applause


    It absolutely grinds my gears when I see people with their name spelt "Neeve"or "Keeva", is there any need like?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭sligoface


    It just makes it esier for people not raised in Ireland to pronounce which can save the person hassle, though I admit the phonetic spellings lack all of the beauty and elegance of the lovely but weird Irish spellings.

    Irish names are beautiful, well some are, while some sound more like the name of a biblical demon or just a bit of drunken slurring at 3 am, but in any case they often fly in the face of what the typical phonetics are for the letters in the names. This bit of oddity is part of the beauty imo, but you can't fault Americans for being unable to pronounce them properly, and for some with those names to get fed up and spell them more phonetically to make life easier, especially since they are not common outside of this country. For example, Niamh, lovely name, but what other word in English has an m and h at the end like that, and how would anyone guess that combo makes a 'v' sound if they were not raised in Ireland?

    I understand that Americans ruin everything and do everything wrong (well except for their films, music, TV, fashion, product designs, but that's hardly anything), but still, why blame English speakers for not being able to pronounce Gaelic words? They're not the same language!

    My sister had to spell her name Shinead or even Shinade instead of Sinead when we lived in the States or she would be called Sin-ee-ahd or something similar. Americans come from all different backgrounds, places in Europe, etc. Neither an Italian in Italy or an Italian-American would have much luck pronouncing Irish names. Of course part of it is that some Americans will never leave the US and have no interest in other countries cultures. Though in fairness the Gaelic names are really nothing more than a trend here, with little substance, and the ones naming their kids Siabhra and Cian are just as likely to be spending their evenings keeping up with the Kardashians as any American.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,294 ✭✭✭thee glitz


    My mother is a Cahill. I can't begin to describe how horrible it is to hear that Everton lad being called K-hill.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 637 ✭✭✭ruthloss


    My friend changed the spelling of her name from 'Sadhbh' to Sive when she moved to America. (In fairness, it's a difficult one, unless your Irish) and now they call her 'Sive'., as in the thing you shake flour though!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 438 ✭✭xXxkorixXx


    dr phil's surname is mc graw. an obvious contraction of mc grath


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 45 Siosleis


    Ara isnt it well yeer names arent onion or cleaner. They never get them right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,288 ✭✭✭pow wow


    My name is Siobhan. I recently came across someone named Siovaughn. I wept.

    I know a guy called Shevaun. Here, have a tissue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭Chattastrophe!


    Skerries wrote: »
    So we have names like Moran being pronounced more-an or Doherty being pronounced Dokerty or Gallagher as Gallager

    Wait, how else would you pronounce Moran? :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Wait, how else would you pronounce Moran? :confused:

    More Wren and More Ran.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,688 ✭✭✭Meauldsegosha


    I met an American couple a few years ago who told me they had a daughter named Ireland. They said to me "you must be happy and proud we named our daughter after your country". Why the hell would I be happy and proud??

    When my cousin, Maurice, moved to America years ago they would spell his name Morris.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭demanufactured


    More Wren and More Ran.

    Iv'e heard it pronounced More-anne


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Iv'e heard it pronounced More-anne

    Ya I made a hash of that:pac:. More- anne was the pronounciation I was trying to convey.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    I met an American couple a few years ago who told me they had a daughter named Ireland. They said to me "you must be happy and proud we named our daughter after your country". Why the hell would I be happy and proud??

    Ireland is a lovely name for a country, and one that makes me happy and proud, but it's a damn ugly name for a kid.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 8,490 Mod ✭✭✭✭Fluorescence


    Pfffffft, my name is Aoife. IME, American's brains explode upon seeing it. If I say it to them or write it down as "Ee-fah" I just end up being called Eva.

    It's not the same :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,443 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    ruthloss wrote: »
    My friend changed the spelling of her name from 'Sadhbh' to Sive when she moved to America. (In fairness, it's a difficult one, unless your Irish) and now they call her 'Sive'., as in the thing you shake flour though!

    If your Irish friend Sadhbh doesn't pronounce her irish name 'sow' (yes, as in lady pig) then she's wrong too.

    Imagine that. Irish people can get irish names wrong too! It's not just those silly Americans!

    Don't get me started on folks naming girls Naoise....


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