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Atheism/Existence of God Debates (Please Read OP)

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  • #7922
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    because jesus exists

    [citation needed]

    Out of curiosity, what evidence do you have?


  • #7923
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    [citation needed]

    Out of curiosity, what evidence do you have?

    Maybe a donkey told him?


  • #7924
    marienbad
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭marienbad


    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    Maybe a donkey told him?


    Don't be such an ass !:)


  • #7925
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    anyways is atheism a pagan kind of religion because it doesnt look like one anyways no one ever says what it is
    im just trying to learns stuff like what do ye believe in etc but nothing will stop me from believing jesus christ ever


  • #7926
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    anyways is atheism a pagan kind of religion because it doesnt look like one anyways no one ever says what it is
    im just trying to learns stuff like what do ye believe in etc but nothing will stop me from believing jesus christ ever

    Atheism has nothing to do with Paganism, which is closer to Christianity.


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  • #7927
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,812 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    It is a fine thing to have a strong faith to build a foundation. To expand on that may I suggest the various resources such as are on the thread stickies on the forum to help in the learning.


  • #7928
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    what is it and watch what your saying about my religion because youll go to hell or what ever ye call it

    i asked originally what is atheism and etc


  • #7929
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    okay


  • #7930
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    what is it and watch what your saying about my religion because youll go to hell or what ever ye call it

    i asked originally what is atheism and etc

    I'm not scared of your "hell". I believe it's as real as a unicorn. (I'm not scared of them either.)

    Atheists don't believe in god. They don't think it may or may not exist, but that it doesn't exist.


  • #7931
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    hell is where ye go cant believe ye dont believe in evil ....... Jesus will come sooner than we think


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  • #7932
    e_e
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    oh god...


  • #7933
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    your after sinning anyways atheists is a PAGAN RELIGION IF YOU BELIEVE IN NOTHING BUT YOUR NOT LIKE THE PAGANS THAT LIVED HERE 800 YEARS AGO THEY AT LEAST BELIEVED IN SOMETHING LIKE TREES FOR AN EXAMPLE THE TOUGHT THAT THEY WHERE SPECUAL AND TREES ARE SPECIAL THEY GIVE AIR YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THAT SIENTOLOGY PROGRAM ON TELLLE THEY MADE AN EGIT UT OF A PERSON
    AND HE MADE ANOTHERE EGIT OF HIMSELF BY COONVERTING TO ISLAM AND THEN ATHEISM


  • #7934
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    BYE


  • #7935
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    hell is where ye go cant believe ye dont believe in evil ....... Jesus will come sooner than we think

    This is your superstition. It's grand that you have superstitions, but you're superstitions don't scare me at all.


  • #7936
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    your after sinning anyways atheists is a PAGAN RELIGION IF YOU BELIEVE IN NOTHING BUT YOUR NOT LIKE THE PAGANS THAT LIVED HERE 800 YEARS AGO THEY AT LEAST BELIEVED IN SOMETHING LIKE TREES FOR AN EXAMPLE THE TOUGHT THAT THEY WHERE SPECUAL AND TREES ARE SPECIAL THEY GIVE AIR YOU SHOULD HAVE SEEN THAT SIENTOLOGY PROGRAM ON TELLLE THEY MADE AN EGIT UT OF A PERSON
    AND HE MADE ANOTHERE EGIT OF HIMSELF BY COONVERTING TO ISLAM AND THEN ATHEISM

    I think you need to get your computer checked out.


  • #7937
    randomperson12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 226 ✭✭randomperson12


    BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


  • #7938
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    randomperson12 wrote: »
    BYEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

    Bye?

    You haven't even learned what atheism is and you're running away?

    Hard to believe your faith is that strong if this tiny little questioning is scaring you off.

    Best of luck with your caps lock problems. And your superstitions.


  • #7939
    Benny_Cake
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Benny_Cake


    Mod: Randomperson12, don't post on this thread again.


  • #7940
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Oh you mean the user. Dang I thought you'd finally agreed with me that we should threaten to ban people randomly. :(

    Some day, hopefully.


  • #7941
    georgesstreet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭georgesstreet


    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    Bye?

    You haven't even learned what atheism is and you're running away?

    Hard to believe your faith is that strong if this tiny little questioning is scaring you off.

    Of course, that's what any thiests have to do when facts collide with their "beliefs". Most thiests like to pretend that their beliefs are based on facts, and this is a fundamental mistake they make, as facts and belief are diametrically opposed.


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  • #7942
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Manach wrote: »
    It is a fine thing to have a strong faith to build a foundation.

    No it is not. It is highly stupid to build a system of ideas based on something you believe without any evidence. It invariably fails.


  • #7943
    georgesstreet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 397 ✭✭georgesstreet


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    No it is not. It is highly stupid to build a system of ideas based on something you believe without any evidence. It invariably fails.

    Unfortunately you, or we, can't decide for others what criteria they choose for evidence, or for what criteria others choose for what they consider a fine thing.


  • #7944
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    georgesstreet wrote: »
    Unfortunately you, or we, can't decide for others what criteria they choose for evidence, or for what criteria others choose for what they consider a fine thing.

    Reality invariably intrudes heavily on the kind of people who say "I believe this will work" without running through the necessary calculations.

    I've no problem with people having faith, but to call a house of cards you've built with soggy paper "a fine thing" is taking the biscuit.


  • #7945
    Pushtrak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,640 ✭✭✭Pushtrak


    Jernal wrote: »
    Oh you mean the user. Dang I thought you'd finally agreed with me that we should threaten to ban people randomly. :(

    Some day, hopefully.
    The Hunger Boards Games: Catching Trolls. No, wait, it's only the first one, Mockingtrolls.


  • #7946
    Safehands
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,348 ✭✭✭Safehands


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    No it is not. It is highly stupid to build a system of ideas based on something you believe without any evidence. It invariably fails.

    Faith may be misguided, it may have no basis in factual evidence, but when you are on your deathbed, if you really have faith, if you really believe you are going to a better place, then you are one lucky person. In the same way, if you have lost a loved one and if you really believe you will see them again some day, isn't that a wonderful gift?
    So we may knock it, and we do on this forum, but I would love to have the blind, unquestioning faith that many people are so lucky to have. A logical mind and blind faith are very poor bedfellows.


  • #7947
    antiskeptic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,550 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »
    No it is not. It is highly stupid to build a system of ideas based on something you believe without any evidence. It invariably fails.

    Empiricism, anybody?


  • #7948
    antiskeptic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,550 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    Safehands wrote: »
    ... but I would love to have the blind, unquestioning faith that many people are so lucky to have. A logical mind and blind faith are very poor bedfellows.

    And your way of dealing with the fact that the world is chock full of very intelligent, logical, scientific minds .. who also have faith (which they wouldn't dream of describing as blind) is...?


  • #7949
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Safehands wrote: »
    Faith may be misguided, it may have no basis in factual evidence, but when you are on your deathbed, if you really have faith, if you really believe you are going to a better place, then you are one lucky person. In the same way, if you have lost a loved one and if you really believe you will see them again some day, isn't that a wonderful gift?
    So we may knock it, and we do on this forum, but I would love to have the blind, unquestioning faith that many people are so lucky to have. A logical mind and blind faith are very poor bedfellows.

    This is the old, "wouldn't a lobotomy be great" argument.

    Lots of people choose drugs and booze and religion as means of avoiding reality; are they better than reality? It's hard to really know if happiness is better than truth.


  • #7950
    antiskeptic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,550 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    Lots of people choose drugs and booze and religion as means of avoiding reality; are they better than reality? It's hard to really know if happiness is better than truth.


    When truth is defined as "that which can only be arrived at empirically" (when that statement itself cannot be demonstrated to be true, empirically or otherwise) then you wonder indeed about lobotomys


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  • #7951
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Safehands wrote: »
    Faith may be misguided, it may have no basis in factual evidence, but when you are on your deathbed, if you really have faith, if you really believe you are going to a better place, then you are one lucky person. In the same way, if you have lost a loved one and if you really believe you will see them again some day, isn't that a wonderful gift?

    No, delusion is never a gift. It is delusion that causes people to accept their lot when there is much better available to them with enough effort.

    As Karl Marx said: "Religion is the opium of the masses". It keeps them docile; unknowing of and unable to utilise their true power.


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